Zone1 Putin: We are Ready to Compete With the West.

[Donald H]

We are ready for competition with the West – Putin

No monopolies or domination are eternal, and Russian firms are ready to compete with Western rivals, President Vladimir Putin has said

www.rt.com

(3 sentences to come)

Can Russia compete with America? (the West)
Is Putin really talking about the Brics together as an economic and military alliance?
Is Putin now assuming that the war against the Ukraine proxy is no longer a question on Russia's success?

Scott Ritter has always maintained that the Ukraine can't possibly win the war. But just recently he has introduced the idea that the Nazi faction of the Ukraine are willing to lose millions of lives but fight to the last Ukrainian. Therefore the conclusion is that this is a never-ending war.
That raises many questions then for both sides and all countries that become involved.

Can there be a discussion on what that implies, on this board?

 

[luiza]

It shows that people taking a terrible beating will resort to any nonsense and any lies to somehow bolster their collapsing egos . Much more concerning is the planned lunatic attack on the Zaporozhye Power Plant as a horrific fake event to try and get Gullibles to believe that it will be done by Moscow and not Kyiv . Be warned .

 

[Donald H]

It shows that people taking a terrible beating will resort to any nonsense and any lies to somehow bolster their collapsing egos . Much more concerning is the planned lunatic attack on the Zaporozhye Power Plant as a horrific fake event to try and get Gullibles to believe that it will be done by Moscow and not Kyiv . Be warned .

Ritter makes it very clear and I've found that he's been ahead of the curve and right on with his assessment.

 

[sparky]

Can there be a discussion on what that implies, on this board?

Can it include Orwell quotes??? ~S~

 

[Donald H]

Can it include Orwell quotes??? ~S~

certainly any that can apply to the Nazis' attitude of fighting to the last man. Do you know what you're even suggesting and why there are predictions of this war never ending?

 

[Kruska]

The only country that "alone" can compete with the USA and it's "democratic" allies - is only China. And even for China it will be immensely difficult and time & $$ consuming.

The world has polarized into three main groups - Western democracy, Autocratic systems, and Democratic countries that are not on the same page with Western democracy.

The question presently is, are those "not on the same page" going to stay neutral aka forge an own alliance - or are they gong to join one of the other two systems. As such both the USA and China are trying to get the neutrals on their side. Russia is an economic and political dump yard - that only plays a "significant" role due to it's nuclear arsenal, it's mineral resources and a population of around 145 million people and lastly its Geo-strategical position. same goes for e.g. Brazil and South-Africa.

The biggest neutral country is India - and I belief that it will be their goal to stay neutral, unless the China-Pakistan issue is handled differently.

China has no interest in conquering the world or to use it's military in an offensive style. Therefore until today China has not forged a military pact or alliance.
It simply want's to be left alone - and get rich via trade, that it will as such control or have a huge decisive impact onto the world economy is understood.

Since the USA's foreign policy is extremely dependent on it's existing military strength - they need loads of $$ to compete - whilst facing a horrendous state deficit of US$ 31 trillion. The US economy simply isn't strong enough in production and population to compete in the long run with China and China's existing economic allies. Therefore the present US policy is to instigate as much global unrest as possible - hoping to gain time in regards to China.

The USA is therefore focused onto maintaining their global dominance for at least another 50 years - whilst hoping for a miracle, aka China running into a political instability, that then will allow the USA to maintain it's global domination role. The USA is basically playing Russian roulette or if one prefers, is simply gambling onto it's future status.

And Putin is gambling onto China's support and a Europe that might try to reorient itself in regards to blindly following the USA, or being masterminded by the USA.

Obama caused Putin's mindset to go wild - when he publicly stated that Russia has changed from a Global Power to a "Regional Power".

 

[Pellinore]

"RT", by the way, stands for "Russia Today." It is state-controlled propaganda.

Also, no, they are not.

 

[candycorn]

"RT", by the way, stands for "Russia Today." It is state-controlled propaganda.

Also, no, they are not.

 

[Augustine_]

We are ready for competition with the West – Putin

No monopolies or domination are eternal, and Russian firms are ready to compete with Western rivals, President Vladimir Putin has said

www.rt.com

(3 sentences to come)

Can Russia compete with America? (the West)
Is Putin really talking about the Brics together as an economic and military alliance?
Is Putin now assuming that the war against the Ukraine proxy is no longer a question on Russia's success?

Scott Ritter has always maintained that the Ukraine can't possibly win the war. But just recently he has introduced the idea that the Nazi faction of the Ukraine are willing to lose millions of lives but fight to the last Ukrainian. Therefore the conclusion is that this is a never-ending war.
That raises many questions then for both sides and all countries that become involved.

Can there be a discussion on what that implies, on this board?

Russia's only hope is that China takes them under their wing. Though they would come with a lot of baggage that China would have to be willing to tolerate. They were on their way to becoming a great power again with their energy resources and manpower, but that's over now.

 

[Donald H]

Russia's only hope is that China takes them under their wing. Though they would come with a lot of baggage that China would have to be willing to tolerate. They were on their way to becoming a great power again with their energy resources and manpower, but that's over now.

Without Russia winning the war, China's goals on the 'belt and road are impossible.

That's saying that China has depended on Russia but has taken the appearance of being neutral, but in reality can't be.

And China's failure to create their 'belt and road' will be as good as an American victory.

It's obviously always been a lot more than the US/Nato caring about the Ukraine proxy.

 

[Donald H]

Without Russia winning the war, China's goals on the 'belt and road are impossible.

That's saying that China has depended on Russia but has taken the appearance of being neutral, but in reality can't be.

And China's failure to create their 'belt and road' will be as good as an American victory.

It's obviously always been a lot more than the US/Nato caring about the Ukraine proxy.

On a positive note, it's in all of Europe's interest that China succeeds.

 

[surada]

We are ready for competition with the West – Putin

No monopolies or domination are eternal, and Russian firms are ready to compete with Western rivals, President Vladimir Putin has said

www.rt.com

(3 sentences to come)

Can Russia compete with America? (the West)
Is Putin really talking about the Brics together as an economic and military alliance?
Is Putin now assuming that the war against the Ukraine proxy is no longer a question on Russia's success?

Scott Ritter has always maintained that the Ukraine can't possibly win the war. But just recently he has introduced the idea that the Nazi faction of the Ukraine are willing to lose millions of lives but fight to the last Ukrainian. Therefore the conclusion is that this is a never-ending war.
That raises many questions then for both sides and all countries that become involved.

Can there be a discussion on what that implies, on this board?

Just Putin bravado.

 

[Augustine_]

Without Russia winning the war, China's goals on the 'belt and road are impossible.

That's saying that China has depended on Russia but has taken the appearance of being neutral, but in reality can't be.

And China's failure to create their 'belt and road' will be as good as an American victory.

It's obviously always been a lot more than the US/Nato caring about the Ukraine proxy.

I don't think China will care much about Russia other than getting some oil from them in the gap years between now and when they get the oil deposits in the west of their country tapped. I said China taking Russia under its wing is Russia's best hope, not that China would bother to actually do it. Russia blowing up China's belt and road investments in Ukraine will probably not help their cause.

 

[Donald H]

Just Putin bravado.

Yeah sure, but also bragging about Russia's ability to compete.

Whether true or not, and that's not an easy question to answer.

But it's a very vital question!

 

[surada]

Yeah sure, but also bragging about Russia's ability to compete.

Whether true or not, and that's not an easy question to answer.

But it's a very vital question!

Russia has land, water, timber, oil.... rich in natural resources..Now look at their gnp. They're impoverished and backwards.

 

[Donald H]

I don't think China will care much about Russia other than getting some oil from them in the gap years between now and when they get the oil deposits in the west of their country tapped. I said China taking Russia under its wing is Russia's best hope, not that China would bother to actually do it. Russia blowing up China's belt and road investments in Ukraine will probably not help their cause.

Hold it! Pull in your horns and understand what I said. China's 'belt and road' initiative will be permanently stalled unless Russia wins and at least make the Ukraine a neutral country.

The Ukraine becoming Nato and America in control will stop China!

 

[Augustine_]

Hold it! Pull in your horns and understand what I said. China's 'belt and road' initiative will be permanently stalled unless Russia wins and at least make the Ukraine a neutral country.

The Ukraine becoming Nato and America in control will stop China!

China invests in NATO countries all the time. They were investing in Ukraine until Russia destroyed their investments.

 

[Donald H]

Russia has land, water, timber, oil.... rich in natural resources..Now look at their gnp. They're impoverished and backwards.

They're a huge factor as a part of the new superpower that's rising, for the reasons you've stated.

And fwiw, Russia has the majority of the world's people on their side, if maybe not the majority of countries?

However, already many countries are knocking at the Brics' door and wanting in.

Winning the war is essential and that's why it doesn't make any sense to be pretending it's all up to the Ukraine.

 

[Donald H]

China invests in NATO countries all the time. They were investing in Ukraine until Russia destroyed their investments.

Was at least true, but you're trying to skirt the discussion away from the facts on China being stopped dead in their tracks by America if Russia doesn't prevail.

You're not even trying to dispute that!

This war is a big deal pal!

It's America's war against Russia and you'r finding out why in baby steps.

 

[surada]

They're a huge factor as a part of the new superpower that's rising, for the reasons you've stated.

And fwiw, Russia has the majority of the world's people on their side, if maybe not the majority of countries?

However, already many countries are knocking at the Brics' door and wanting in.

Winning the war is essential and that's why it doesn't make any sense to be pretending it's all up to the Ukraine.

Why is it essential?