Putin warns Russia will be at war with NATO if leaders lift Ukraine missile restrictions

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Dumb

 

[GLASNOST]

....... Putin should dictate the terms and Trump should stand on the side-lines and watch Zoolinsky sign it.

Trump already said that he will end the war within 24-hours of taking office. We'll see if he can keep that promise.

Yes, and the best way for him to do that is to advise Zoolinsky to accept all of Russia's terms.

 

[kyzr]

Yes, and the best way for him to do that is to advise Zoolinsky to accept all of Russia's terms.

They tried that already and signed the Budapest Memorandum.
Putin invaded anyway.
Only NATO membership guarantees Ukraine's security, its no worse than Sweden being on Russia's border.

 

[Burgermeister]

Biden authorizes Ukraine to use long-range US weapons in Russia

France and Britain greenlight Ukraine’s use of Storm Shadow missiles against Russia: Le Figaro

Putin just approved a new nuclear weapons doctrine for Russia. Here's what it means. -

Russian President Vladimir Putin approved changes to his country's nuclear doctrine this week, formally amending the conditions — and lowering the threshold — under which Russia would consider using its nuclear weapons. Moscow announced Tuesday that Putin had signed off on the changes to the doctrine, formally known as "The basics of state policy in the field of nuclear deterrence," as Ukraine launched its first strike deeper into Russia using U.S.-supplied missiles.

The updated doctrine states that Russia will treat an attack by a non-nuclear state that is supported by a country with nuclear capabilities as a joint attack by both. That means any attack on Russia by a country that's part of a coalition could be seen as an attack by the entire group.

Under the doctrine, Russia could theoretically consider any major attack on its territory, even with conventional weapons, by non-nuclear-armed Ukraine sufficient to trigger a nuclear response, because Ukraine is backed by the nuclear-armed United States.

If this does escalate into a nuclear war, there will be no mystery about why it happened. We are practically begging for it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You're not quite right. Trump should impose NOTHING. Putin should dictate the terms and Trump should stand on the side-lines and watch Zoolinsky sign it.

Putin should absolutely NOT be allowed to dictate terms for an end to the war that HE started. If Russia is allowed to profit from this war, it will only be a short time until Putin invades another of his neighbors who Russia used to control. The end of the war needs to have Ukraine returned to its pre-2000 borders, Sevastopol returned to Ukrainian control, Russia forced to pay heavy reparations and heavy sanctions kept in place until a non-expansionist government is installed by the Russian people. Anything less is encouraging expansionist actions by any country with weaker neighbors.

 

[GLASNOST]

They tried that already and signed the Budapest Memorandum.
Putin invaded anyway.
Only NATO membership guarantees Ukraine's security, its no worse than Sweden being on Russia's border.

You never heard of the Minsk Agreement, is that right?

 

[AZrailwhale]

You never heard of the Minsk Agreement, is that right?

There was no Minsk Agreement. Russia proposed it and immediately violated it. Basically Russia forced Ukraine to give up territory at the point of a gun. Ukraine tacitly accepted it while rearming and training its forces to oppose the next Russian aggression which happened in 2022 and thanks the Ukraine’s preparations it was a disaster for Putin. The result is a gutted Russian economy and military and the total elimination of foreign markets for Russian military equipment. Russia used to turn a tidy profit selling military equipment, now it has to buy from its client states at inflated prices to continue the war.

 

[Zavulon]

Putin should absolutely NOT be allowed to dictate terms for an end to the war that HE started. If Russia is allowed to profit from this war, it will only be a short time until Putin invades another of his neighbors who Russia used to control. The end of the war needs to have Ukraine returned to its pre-2000 borders, Sevastopol returned to Ukrainian control, Russia forced to pay heavy reparations and heavy sanctions kept in place until a non-expansionist government is installed by the Russian people. Anything less is encouraging expansionist actions by any country with weaker neighbors.

Ok. It means the direct nuclear war between Russia and the USA, the war which USA can't win. Will you surrender after our counter-force strike (and them we can give you humanitarian pause to evacuate your cities) or you wouldn't and (then we'll simply destroy not only your missiles, but 90% of your population too)?

 

[GLASNOST]

Ok. It means the direct nuclear war between Russia and the USA,

That's the point people don't want to face.

the war which USA can't win.

Probably. There's enough info and logic to see that the last man standing would be Russia.

Will you surrender after our counter-force strike (and them we can give you humanitarian pause to evacuate your cities) or you wouldn't and (then we'll simply destroy not only your missiles, but 90% of your population too)?

Too many questions to think about once you get real and think about the conseqeunces of a US-Russian nuclear war. But the sheeple can't think that far ahead. They believe the "hur-rah!" crap.

 

[GLASNOST]

There was no Minsk Agreement. Russia proposed it and immediately violated it.

You are so stupid that a new intensive definition of the word is required.

 

[Deadstick]

The Ukraine wouldn't have permittee America to start the war if they still had their nuclear weapons.

They tried that already and signed the Budapest Memorandum.
Putin invaded anyway.
Only NATO membership guarantees Ukraine's security, its no worse than Sweden being on Russia's border.

Ukraine never had nuclear weapons, the Soviet Union did Soviets had control of the codes etc, then things changed when there was a US instigated coup in 2014 so all bets were off.

 

[Burgermeister]

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think that the tater administration is just tryng to leave the orange man administration the biggest pile of dookie that they can.

It's a heck of a sick game to play.

 

[Deadstick]

They sent a message but they may have to send a stronger message because the Empire are slow learners.

 

[Deadstick]

There was no Minsk Agreement. Russia proposed it and immediately violated it. Basically Russia forced Ukraine to give up territory at the point of a gun. Ukraine tacitly accepted it while rearming and training its forces to oppose the next Russian aggression which happened in 2022 and thanks the Ukraine’s preparations it was a disaster for Putin. The result is a gutted Russian economy and military and the total elimination of foreign markets for Russian military equipment. Russia used to turn a tidy profit selling military equipment, now it has to buy from its client states at inflated prices to continue the war.

How is the weather on fantasy Island?

 

[Burgermeister]

They sent a message but they may have to send a stronger message because the Empire are slow learners.

They are trying -

 

[Deadstick]

They are trying -

Well it could take something like the British Base on Cyprus being hit, i hope not but something like that is what it could take.

 

[GLASNOST]

Ukraine never had nuclear weapons, the Soviet Union did Soviets had control of the codes etc, then things changed when there was a US instigated coup in 2014 so all bets were off.

Thank you Deadstick. I know they aren't listening to your words and by tomorrow morning they will be saying the same codswallop but it was good of you to speak up anyway.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Ok. It means the direct nuclear war between Russia and the USA, the war which USA can't win. Will you surrender after our counter-force strike (and them we can give you humanitarian pause to evacuate your cities) or you wouldn't and (then we'll simply destroy not only your missiles, but 90% of your population too)?

Whatever Putin wants, his generals will kill him before they allow him to make a nuclear strike on any NATO country. He may be stupid and psycho enough to kill the entire world, but his generals want to stay alive to enjoy their power. While the USA may not win a nuclear war, it will come off far better than Russia. Our food production is spread out over the entire country, Russia’s is pretty centralized any surviving Russians would starve. No American president could survive not massively retaliating after Russia launched a strike. We would launch before your first missile landed it would be a classic “use it or lose it” scenario.

 

[Burgermeister]

It's happening, whether you want to believe it or not. When it does, you'll tell everyone that you saw it coming a mile away. These leaders have a LOT at stake in Ukraine. Wonder what that is? This isn't even a NATO country.

With the prospect of American disengagement from Kyiv following Donald Trump's return to the White House, Paris and London are not ruling out leading a military coalition in Ukraine.

As the conflict in Ukraine enters a new phase of escalation, discussions over sending Western troops and private defense companies to Ukraine have been revived, Le Monde has learned from corroborating sources. These are sensitive discussions, most of which are classified – relaunched in light of a potential American withdrawal of support for Kyiv once Donald Trump takes office on January 20, 2025.

The debate about sending troops to Ukraine, which French President Emmanuel Macron initiated at a meeting between Kyiv's allies in Paris in February, was strongly opposed by some European countries, led by Germany. However, it was relaunched in recent weeks thanks to the visit to France of the UK prime minister, Keir Starmer, for the November 11th commemorations. "Discussions are underway between the UK and France on defense cooperation, particularly with a view to creating a hard core of allies in Europe, focused on Ukraine and wider European security," confided a British military source to Le Monde.

Discussions over sending European troops to Ukraine reignited

With the prospect of American disengagement from Kyiv following Donald Trump's return to the White House, Paris and London are not ruling out leading a military coalition in Ukraine.

www.lemonde.fr