Is this not the attempted peace treaty that Boris stopped?
Well I am speaking from the UK. Equipment needs to be paid for and Boris could not stop spending every second he was awake giving more. In particular they were talking about air defenses as Germany has just supplied them with one which was for their own use. Other European countries have also felt they had to offer things which they themselves need for their own defense. Europe economically is in wipe out at the moment and the price of buying your gas does not help. So if people give to Ukraine now, they are likely giving what would have been for themselves and they are leaving themselves in a vulnerable position for attack. That is what could have been the BBC was saying today.
Ukraine would need to accept a neutral position because that is what this is all about. Secondly, we need something to deal with the other reason for this which was the problems and fighting in the East. This had been dealt with in the agreement which Boris told Zelensky he could not do. Both still need to be dealt with.
So, the question still stands. What be a compromise from Putin's part?
They didn't want 'some sort' of autonomy. If you had followed the Minsk process more closely, you would know they wanted to be a quasi-independent entities with a say on Ukraine's domestic and foreign policy.
All of this is irrelevant. In 1991 the USSR defined the borders of Ukraine and in 1994 in the Budapest Memorandum, Russia pledged to never violate the borders of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine turning over its nuclear arsenal, the third largest in the world, to Russia.
No, it was Putin who rejected it.
To stop the killing. I know that’s a hard concept for American chicken hawks to understand.
The compromise is clearly not annexing them and leaving you in peace. You have to sort that. You had a civil war going on. These people do not have the same rights as Western Ukrainers or Ukraine speakers and having people in a country who have different rights just does not work with Democracy a system where all people have an equal voice so unless you can change that, it would seem essential that they have some autonomy as the agreement which Zelensky made earlier said. I do not see it just as Ukraine innocent and Russia the big bully. I believe there are genuine problems which need genuine solutions. Lots more can be added into any peace treaty. It does not need to hurt. The chance of that working is not strong. You need to look at sorting the problems which hopefully would lead to something which both think they have gained from. You are not going to get Russia to give up Crimea so for the mean time you could agree on a cease fire. Other ways in which you gain is ending war, ending the destruction which I hear my grandchildren will be paying for all their lives. Ending the killing and loss of lives as well as the destruction such actions cause emotionally and morally and, and this I do not know it is for the future to say but end the possibility of Putin taking all land on the East and the south including Odessa which would leave Ukraine landlocked. Russia has hypersonic weapons which it has not used yet. People in other parts of the world are dying because of what is going on in Ukraine, in particular from famine in Africa. Just about all work on saving the climate has stopped. It is a serious world wide problem destroying everyone financially - how the markets work I do not know but I hear that is so. It has to be solved and that begins with negotiations which Ukraine is refusing to take part in.
Putin didn't reject the peace treaty which Russia and Ukraine had made. That was Boris so what are you talking about?
We need to stomp the warmongers hard. Maybe the anti-war movement is reawakening and with any luck, will kick the shit out of the pro-war dumb fucks.
You’re wasting your time. He’s a Raytheon pro-war bot.
and that as I said in a previous post is what is necessary. You cannot have it both ways. You either give all of your citizens equal rights or you need to give those who you have given lesser rights autonomy or give the land over to Russia if you prefer. You cannot have a democracy where you give some citizens less rights than others, Zelensky agreed to this in April.
Again you’re wasting your time. He’s a fanatical Ukrainian warmonger.Probably a Nazi.
I don't know what they agreed upon in April, and I think you don't either. It wasn't written in detail even in Russian news outlets. If new negotiations is getting to start, they should be made public as much as possible.
Especially with what has been going on and how all of NATO's resources have been used on Ukraine leaving European countries without some of their own needs and massive bills to pay, I don't think you should be in NATO. NATO is not supposed to take on people who already have problems with their neighbours and that certainly is you. In addition people are saying that this is probably the US 'Suez', that is like the British there, the place where they lose their Imperial position. It is time to start working for peace not war. Time for NATO to end and that has certainly made this clear to me. The total destruction done not for a member of NATO but NATO using another country to try and bring a rival down and in so doing bringing us to the brink of nuclear war. Brics will also be leaving the Dollar. Both Russia and China have been working on having gold backing up their currency. They certainly are not stupid. The US is going to be a far poorer country and I this could be NATO's Suez as well.
Having a particularly crazy day today? There was no peace treaty. Zelensky offered to withdraw Ukraine's application to NATO and Putin ignored the offer.
