Publix Grocery Store Under Fire For Refusing to Write Pro-Trans Message On A Cake

[Skylar]

Repeating an unsupportable and dishonest statement again and again does not make it more supportable, honest, or believable. It only make the one repeating it look more and more desperate and dishonest.

I am on the record of not wanting school children subjected to anybody's ideology, dogma, or politics and I want all curriculum to be age appropriate for all students. That means leftwing ideology, dogma, politics and rightwing ideology, dogma, politics.

By dodging an honest question about that, you suggest you're perfectly fine with leftwing crap being pushed on children but not rightwing crap.

Oh and also, the public school is not and has never been a free speech zone any more than a church, place of business, government agencies, etc. It is a government agency that dictates standards for allowable speech, conduct and dress.

There's nothing dishonest about my claim. Florida schools have banned book after book about women and people of color.

I've even cited half a dozen or so.

And that's not freedom of speech.

And Florida *absolutely* targeted Disney to suppress its political speech, with DeSantis even bragging about it after.

“The big issue with Disney was they exercised a lot of political influence in this town,” DeSantis said in an interview with Newsmax. “And they tried to fight us on things like parents’ rights and things that are really important to the people of Florida. We beat them on that. We signed a parents’ rights bill and we’ve expanded protections and we’ve done a lot of stuff to go back and fight woke ideology.”

“Since our skirmish last year, Disney has not been involved in any of those issues,” he added. “They have not made a peep. That ultimately is the most important – that Disney is not allowed to pervert the system to the detriment of Floridians. So that’s a win for the people of Florida.”


That's not freedom of speech. And you leaning into 'whataboutry' doesn't magically change that.

 

[Foxfyre]

I stand by my post. .

 

[Skylar]

I stand by my post. .

And I stand by the evidence. Including all the books about women and people of color that Florida banned from schools. And DeSantis' attempt to suppress political speech using the power of the State.

So much for the conservative conception of 'free speech'.

 

[Blues Man]

Deuteronomy 22:5 "There shall not be an article of a man upon a woman, because everyone doing these things is an abomination of the Lord your God.




If they leave me alone and leave kids alone with their agenda then they will be tolerated from me. If not we'll have problems.

I highly doubt that less than 1% of the population is some sort of threat to you.

 

[Blues Man]

They have a funny way of demanding tolerance. You know, like threatening violence if someone tries to stop an obvious man from following a little girl into a bathroom, that kind of stuff.

You do like that broad brush of yours don't you?

 

[Blues Man]

Tolerance is letting something go--it is passive. CREATING something with your own effort, work and education is not "tolerance". It's forced acceptance--at the hand of govt.

What does that have to do with an employee writing a word on a cake?

Oh yeah not a fucking thing.

 

[SweetSue92]

What does that have to do with an employee writing a word on a cake?

Oh yeah not a fucking thing.

I have already said that the employee, if he/she went against store policy, is up for termination. But if a BUSINESS OWNER doesn't want to create a cake celebrating a certain message, the GOVT should not force him to do so.

Except you're a totalitarian, so you think that's great.

 

[Blues Man]

I have already said that the employee, if he/she went against store policy, is up for termination. But if a BUSINESS OWNER doesn't want to create a cake celebrating a certain message, the GOVT should not force him to do so.

Except you're a totalitarian, so you think that's great.

Cool so then you're AOK with people refusing you service because you're a rabid Christian right?

 

[hadit]

You do like that broad brush of yours don't you?

I don't see a lot of the trans community condemning the violence. In fact, I see t-shirts embracing it.

 

[Blues Man]

I don't see a lot of the trans community condemning the violence. In fact, I see t-shirts embracing it.

I almost never actually "see" any trans people.

And in real life you probably don't either. What you do see on line and in social media are the extremist fringe of an already extremely small group of people.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ha. You wish. I concede nothing. There is nobody on USMB or anywhere else who is a stronger advocate for free speech than I am. And there is nobody quicker to ban free speech they don't like than a leftist.

Yet you are ok with the Govt targeting a specific business for exercising their free speech.

Weird.

 

[hadit]

I almost never actually "see" any trans people.

And in real life you probably don't either. What you do see on line and in social media are the extremist fringe of an already extremely small group of people.

Likewise you don't see in person many, if any, businesses refusing customers for matters of conscience. You see them online because they are targets of activists.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yet you are ok with the Govt targeting a specific business for exercising their free speech.

Weird.

Nope. But I do believe that good government protects the children. Good government does what it reasonably can to prohibit adults from pushing pornography, inappropriate entertainment, 'wokeness', CRT, and other social engineering that too often constitutes grooming or indoctrination on the kids.

Good government does not prohibit these things and thereby infringe on free speech. It is not infringing on free speech to enforce age appropriate content/imagery/activities for children.

And I believe anybody who does not want to protect the children to be engaging in evil.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nope. But I do believe that good government protects the children. Good government does what it reasonably can to prohibit adults from pushing pornography, inappropriate entertainment, 'wokeness', CRT, and other social engineering that too often constitutes grooming or indoctrination on the kids.

Good government does not prohibit these things and thereby infringe on free speech. It is not infringing on free speech to enforce age appropriate content/imagery/activities for children.

And I believe anybody who does not want to protect the children to be engaging in evil.

That is very nice.

So, now can we talk about your support of DeSantis going after Disney for exercising their free speech in going against his new law?

 

[The Duke]

You want to go through the banned book list?

The Bluest Eye is porn?

Brave New World is porn?

The Poet X is porn?

Girls Like Us is porn?

The Haters is porn?

Florida banned all these books. For crying out loud, y'all are doing formal investigations of teachers for showing Disney Movies in class.

And of course, DeSantis targeted Disney to shut down political speech.

But tell us more about 'free speech'.

 

[The Duke]

More accurately, DeSantis specifically and repeatedly targeted Disney with laws that apply to NO other district. There are over 2000 of them in Florida, and ONLY Disney was subject to these laws. With DeSantis putting Disney's property under the direct control of his political allies.

For the express purpose of supressing political speech. This isn't a secret. DeSantis BRAGS about how he shut down Disney's political speech.

“The big issue with Disney was they exercised a lot of political influence in this town,” DeSantis said in an interview with Newsmax. “And they tried to fight us on things like parents’ rights and things that are really important to the people of Florida. We beat them on that. We signed a parents’ rights bill and we’ve expanded protections and we’ve done a lot of stuff to go back and fight woke ideology.”

“Since our skirmish last year, Disney has not been involved in any of those issues,” he added. “They have not made a peep. That ultimately is the most important – that Disney is not allowed to pervert the system to the detriment of Floridians. So that’s a win for the people of Florida.”

Ron DeSantis Says Disney Has “Not Made A Peep” Since Skirmish Over “Don’t Say Gay” Law: “The Party Is Over For Them”

Ron DeSantis is claiming victory over silencing Disney following their public feud after the entertainment company openly opposed the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill that was signed into law by the Florida governor.

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How is that 'free speech'? Y'all are literally using the power of the State to suppress political speech. Y'all BRAG about it and tout suppression of political speech as an accomplishment.

And of course, nothing says 'free speech' like banning books about women and people of color in Florida schools.

Why is a corporation trying to interfere with public schooling?

These jackwads demanded Mark Twain be removed

AND Uncle Remus!

 

[The Duke]

So if you haven't banned and book personally, then Florida hasn't banned books from schools?

I don't think that's how any of this works.

Again, you're using 'whatabouttry' to justify the banning of books. We're just discussing why I'm right now.

Yep. It was "your ilk" that got Uncle Remus and Mark Twain books banned a long time ago.

Those books were verboten but books promoting homosexuality and communist critical theory are A-OK?

Mark Twain and Uncle Remus were staples in schools for over a century in America.

To ban them is to ban American heritage.

 

[Skylar]

Yep. It was "your ilk" that got Uncle Remus and Mark Twain books banned a long time ago.

Those books were verboten but books promoting homosexuality and communist critical theory are A-OK?

Mark Twain and Uncle Remus were staples in schools for over a century in America.

To ban them is to ban American heritage.

And more whataboutry.

Whataboutry doesn't make your book banning 'free speech'.

Whataboutry doesn't make DeSantis using the power of the State to suppres political speech 'free speech' either.

What you're doing is demonstrating you lack any principles. As you're trying to justify what you consider wrong and immoral......by blaming someone else for your actions.