Zone1 Proof of hell

[Meriweather]

Typing G-d in place of the word ‘God’

In ancient times it was a sign of reverence and devotion when putting the Torah in writing as (out of reverence and respect) God's name should not be erased or destroyed. It pertained to the word written in Hebrew, not in other languages. Further, it has been determined that it only applies to the written form of the word in Hebrew, not the digital form. However, in an abundance of caution some prefer to leave out a letter even then should it happen that someone print out the digital copy and later destroy it. In the Jewish tradition of words written in Hebrew, it is G-d, L-rd, and also a letter in Yahweh. It appears a letter does not need to be left out in HaShem (the Name).

For those of us coming from a different tradition to use it (especially on line) does hit me as pretentious. Isn't it more reverent to give any name its proper spelling? Further, letters are symbols, and so is - . To replace a symbol with a symbol and proclaim one symbol more reverent than another strikes me, not as stupid, but humorous. But that's me. The bottom line is the person who writes God is expressing as much reverence, devotion, and respect as those who write G-d, Gd, G!d because the name commands respect. If the name of God is erased in one place, it's going to pop up in at least a dozen other places. The name is that powerful.

 

[Crepitus]

Why the need to change me into someone you feel you can argue with in your own mind? If you can't address the points I made--or, if my points are not worth addressing--no need for further discussion.

I'm trying to understand the need for a superior being to help you.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm trying to understand the need for a superior being to help you.

Have you experienced the birth of a child, one you were a part of creating? You naturally want to help the child, and the child appreciates/loves the attention and gifts you provide. The child responds to you. On a smaller basis, have you ever created a garden, tended it, and watched how the garden responds to your care? Have you ever had years where the garden wasn't given much care, where it got along, but was dragging a bit?

I'm trying to portray a picture of the created responding to it is creator--and how it is a two-way street.

God is Spirit and his attention focuses on the spiritual aspect of our existence. Body and spirit are one, and a thriving spirit is valuable to the body. Just as we give and receive help from the people around us that are instrumental for our bodies to thrive, God surrounds our spirits offering care for them so that they may thrive.

Those who have no belief in soul/spirit or the next life will not perceive a need for God as there is no perception that there is a need for spiritual training, education, and nourishment. But as I am certain you are aware of the need for physical training, education, nourishment, and have people around to help you with all of this, it may give you a glimpse into what people of faith are also experiencing with God in their midst.

Hope this helps!

 

[Crepitus]

Have you experienced the birth of a child, one you were a part of creating? You naturally want to help the child, and the child appreciates/loves the attention and gifts you provide. The child responds to you. On a smaller basis, have you ever created a garden, tended it, and watched how the garden responds to your care? Have you ever had years where the garden wasn't given much care, where it got along, but was dragging a bit?

I'm trying to portray a picture of the created responding to it is creator--and how it is a two-way street.

God is Spirit and his attention focuses on the spiritual aspect of our existence. Body and spirit are one, and a thriving spirit is valuable to the body. Just as we give and receive help from the people around us that are instrumental for our bodies to thrive, God surrounds our spirits offering care for them so that they may thrive.

Those who have no belief in soul/spirit or the next life will not perceive a need for God as there is no perception that there is a need for spiritual training, education, and nourishment. But as I am certain you are aware of the need for physical training, education, nourishment, and have people around to help you with all of this, it may give you a glimpse into what people of faith are also experiencing with God in their midst.

Hope this helps!

Recent proof that you are wrong:

Palestinian children starving

Ukrainian war memorial

 

[ding]

I'm trying to understand the need for a superior being to help you.

No you aren’t.

 

[ding]

Recent proof that you are wrong:

Palestinian children starving

How so?

 

[Meriweather]

Recent proof that you are wrong:

Palestinian children starving

Wrong about what? That people today are not sending enough help and care to those in need?

 

[Foxfyre]

And that is what faith is. Hoping that what is unseen is true. Few are given the knowledge and allowed to see. It's enough to keep hope alive for many until they can get that understanding of how the Gift of the Holy Ghost works to give you this peace of mind.

And that peace of mind is a relationship with the Living God that must be experienced in order to understand it.

John 20:29 - Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

I think those who have believed have 'not seen' but have experienced the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit at work in their hearts and minds. I believe it is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the world that drives our sense of ethics, our belief/knowledge of what is right and wrong.

Without the JudeoChristianity in its purest form being prevalent and practiced, the Atheist would have no moral code, no sense of ethics or righeousness. Whether or not he/she is aware of it, his/her sense of right and wrong and ethics comes from the JudeoChristian presence/influence.

The Christian does not practice right ethics to avoid Hell or to achieve Heaven but out of love for the One with whom he/she has a relationship. I think the Atheist who rejects wrong and tries to do right doesn't know where the sense of guilt or propriety that drives him/her comes from, but I think it comes from the same source.

 

[Donald H]

Those who have no belief in soul/spirit or the next life will not perceive a need for God as there is no perception that there is a need for spiritual training, education, and nourishment.

No. We don't believe that there is a need for 'spiritual' training as you are trying to define it.
There's no reason why an atheist would believe there's no need for non-spiritual training, education, nourishment, and any other training. It could be suggested that Christians reject education if it's science that contradicts the religious beliefs.

But as I am certain you are aware of the need for physical training, education, nourishment, and have people around to help you with all of this, it may give you a glimpse into what people of faith are also experiencing with God in their midst.

We atheists receive training of the spirit, if that can mean any training that isn't physical. But that has to exclude any training that contradicts science, as we believe science to be acceptably proven to us.

Hope this helps!

Christians try to ignore the contradictions between reality and Christian teaching. That's the reason why Ding can never find peace with his beliefs. He can't ignore the contradictions. His mind is constantly trying to make religion and his technical knowledge agree. He can never make that happen.

For nearly all other Christians posting on this board, life is more simple for them

Atheists can't ignore the contradictions and so we deal with them and then we find peace!.

 

[Donald H]

Apologies for all the bolding, it looks like html has been f u.

 

[Cougarbear]

And that peace of mind is a relationship with the Living God that must be experienced in order to understand it.

John 20:29 - Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

I think those who have believed have 'not seen' but have experienced the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit at work in their hearts and minds. I believe it is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the world that drives our sense of ethics, our belief/knowledge of what is right and wrong.

Without the JudeoChristianity in its purest form being prevalent and practiced, the Atheist would have no moral code, no sense of ethics or righeousness. Whether or not he/she is aware of it, his/her sense of right and wrong and ethics comes from the JudeoChristian presence/influence.

The Christian does not practice right ethics to avoid Hell or to achieve Heaven but out of love for the One with whom he/she has a relationship. I think the Atheist who rejects wrong and tries to do right doesn't know where the sense of guilt or propriety that drives him/her comes from, but I think it comes from the same source.

I agree with most of this. I don’t agree that we should not have a goal to live with God again. Jesus said “first, seek ye the kingdom of God.” This is why we most love the Lord thy God and our neighbors too.

 

[Foxfyre]

I agree with most of this. I don’t agree that we should not have a goal to live with God again. Jesus said “first, seek ye the kingdom of God.” This is why we most love the Lord thy God and our neighbors too.

It might seem like splitting hairs here, but IMO Heaven or eternal life with God is not a 'goal' for Christians in my opinion. It is a belief based on faith, a promise, an assurance, an expectation.. We all know that Heaven is not something that can be worked for or earned but is a free gift from God by His grace. We do not deserve or merit it. But it is given to us via God's love.

 

[BothWings]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

You mean you need to think you'll burn in hell for raping and murdering, otherwise you'd actually do it and can't figure out for yourself that it's wrong?? Step right out of the closet, why don't you!

 

[Zebra]

must there be a hell?

 

[Cougarbear]

It might seem like splitting hairs here, but IMO Heaven or eternal life with God is not a 'goal' for Christians in my opinion. It is a belief based on faith, a promise, an assurance, an expectation.. We all know that Heaven is not something that can be worked for or earned but is a free gift from God by His grace. We do not deserve or merit it. But it is given to us via God's love.

seek verb sēk ​

1 : to resort to : go to
2 : a. to go in search of : look for
b. to try to discover
3 : to ask for : request
seeks advice
4 : to try to acquire or gain : aim at seek fame
5 : to make an attempt : try

Seek is not passive because it's a verb. When you choose good instead of evil, you sought out doing what's right. And, will be rewarded for keeping the commandments. Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Why would he give us commandments if he didn't expect us to keep them? And, why would we keep the commandments if there is no reward to seek for? Might as well say there is no difference in choosing good or evil then. Have you not heard that "faith without works is dead?"

So, what is the real definition of "grace" in the bible? Genuine love and gratitude for our Heavenly Father and his Son, Jesus Christ, will miraculously merge our works with God’s grace. It is by grace that we are saved after all we can do. Now, "after" doesn't mean "because." But it does mean we work diligently in the Lord's kingdom bringing souls unto Christ or charity, the pure love of Christ. So, we can't just continue sinning. In Paul’s words, “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?” Paul’s answer is simple and clear: “God forbid.” We obey the commandments of God—out of love for Him!

To understand "seek" it's important to know that all men fall short the glory of God. But, that doesn't mean it's wrong to seek to make it to the highest mansion (glory) in heaven because that's where we will be with our families again. The lower kingdoms of glory, not so. 1Corinthians 15: 39 - 42.

 

[Hafar1014]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

There is no hell

 

[Moonglow]

There is no hell

A Hell there ain't.

 

[dblack]

I postulate that this proves that atheists know there is a hell.

Atheists say they don't believe in God, but if you ask an atheist why they don't rape and murder, they will more or less say they "just know" such things are wrong.

But if there is no hell, then the only reason an atheist would have not to do these things is fear of legal punishment, and it is possible to escape legal repercussions. But even then, an atheist will still believe there is some inherent reason not to do such things. I believe this shows that atheists know there is a hell or consequence for doing such things beyond mere potential legal punishment.

That's silly. Morality is rational behavior. No need for a boogeyman or candy bars in heaven.

 

[MarathonMike]

Why would a "soul" feel the pain of Hell?

 

[Hafar1014]

That's silly. Morality is rational behavior. No need for a boogeyman or candy bars in heaven.

We arent torn apart the progressive woke movement is torn apart, socialism is being rejected gender absurdity rejected democrat party rejected, weak on crime rejected open border rejected, an idiot in the White House with brain damage rejected. Thats not torn apart thats waking up to the failure of the democrat party