Proof-of-citizenship voting bill push could threaten government shutdown

[whutTHEYsay]

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i. Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election? 240831 {post•265 to 256} daveman Aug’24 Staerp: I am a Christian. dvmn 240831 Staerp00265


ii. Proof-of-citizenship voting bill push could threaten government shutdown 240909 {post•138}. daveman Sep’24 Spocvbs: Pence would have been correct to not certify until the allegations of cheating were investigated. dvmn 240909 Spocvb00138


iii. Proof-of-citizenship voting bill push could threaten government shutdown 240908 {post•130}.

disenfranchises a United State's citizen

daveman Sep’24 Spocvb: I don't give a shit if it happens only once. That one illegal vote disenfranchises a United State's citizen's vote. You're okay with that? Why? dvmn 240908 Spocvb00130


iv . Proof-of-citizenship voting bill push could threaten government shutdown 240910 {post•141}.

NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Vpocvbs: I don't give a shit if Don Trump led a failed attempt to overturn the 2020 election. That criminal failed attempt was intent on disenfranchising 81 million United State's citizen's. You're okay with that? Why? Some Christian?

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[justoffal]

He is the president of the United States. He can't be pushed out barring impeachment, or 25th amendment being invoked.

He decided not to run. He endorsed Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris was accepted as the Democratic nominee of the Democratic party by the party delegates of all states.

So, now explain how saying a VP can unilaterally reject the certified election results and forging electoral votes is OK.

Bullshit..... They must have threatened him.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Bullshit..... They must have threatened him.

Bullshit. Since all you can do is speculate how about this one? Biden Harris and Obama came to an “understanding” long before the July debate debacle that was not discussed with anyone, including all three spouses. Biden came up with the idea to insist that he would stubbornly remain the candidate until after Donald Trump became the nominee at the RNC convention.

Obama worked the field to make sure there would be no serious challenges if Biden passed the torch to Harris

The rest is history.

Biden will beat Trump for the second time and have an extraordinary legacy. Donald Trump sits the rest of his life in prison if he doesn’t flee the country when he can’t steal the 2024 election like he tried to do 2021.

 

[justoffal]

Bullshit. Since all you can do is speculate how about this one? Biden Harris and Obama came to an “understanding” long before the July debate debacle that was not discussed with anyone, including all three spouses. Biden came up with the idea to insist that he would stubbornly remain the candidate until after Donald Trump became the nominee at the RNC convention.

Obama worked the field to make sure there would be no serious challenges if Biden passed the torch to Harris

The rest is history.

Biden will beat Trump for the second time and have an extraordinary legacy. Donald Trump sits the rest of his life in prison if he doesn’t flee the country when he can’t steal the 2024 election like he tried to do 2021.

Talk about speculation... As late as a week before he announced his Camp said he had no plans to withdraw. That pretty much blows your theory out of the water. They didn't call Nancy the backstabbing bitch down to Washington DC to hand him a welcome card. The meeting I had down in DC was more like Shakespeare's Ides of March then it was a cooperative agreement.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Talk about speculation... As late as a week before he announced his Camp said he had no plans to withdraw. That pretty much blows your theory out of the water.

Biden always planned on saying he had no plans to withdraw as part of the operational surprise shock and awe for the Trump campaign. Of course Biden said he had no plans withdrawal up to that last moment. That’s what made the whole thing work so well.

 

[Oddball]

Bullshit..... They must have threatened him.

No question about it..."Dr." Jill is too in love with the perqs to just walk away.

 

[Oddball]

Biden always planned on saying he had no plans to withdraw as part of the operational surprise shock and awe for the Trump campaign. Of course Biden said he had no plans withdrawal up to that last moment. That’s what made the whole thing work so well.

 

[forkup]

Pence would have been correct to not certify until the allegations of cheating were investigated.

Democrats REALLY wouldn't have liked that. But only for one reason: It would have exposed them.

Voter ID Laws Are Patriotic. They Protect Black Americans | Opinion​

A clear majority of ALL Americans support voter ID.

Democrats, as usual, don't give a shit about what Americans think.

And as for putting up road blocks for voting:

They were investigated. I saw the entire top of the DOJ... the Trump DOJ, testify that there was no widespread voter fraud after they investigated the allegations. This on top of over 60 court cases.

What you are saying is that the VP can simply disregard the will of the people, the DOJ, and the judicial system, on his own recognizance.

 

[daveman]

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i. Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election? 240831 {post•265 to 256} daveman Aug’24 Staerp: I am a Christian. dvmn 240831 Staerp00265

ii. Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election? 240907 {post•761}. NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Vtaerp: No other person in the community can be harmed in any way when a woman terminates her fetus. nfbw 240907 Vtaerp00761

iii. Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election? 240907 {post•782 to 761}. daveman Sep’24 Staerp: Because two human beings go into an abortion clinic, and only one comes out. dvmn 240907 Staaerp00782

iv. Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election? 240907 {post•784 to 782}. NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Vtaerp : Two questions for Saint_Daveman:

1. When you Saint_Daveman see two “human beings” go into an abortion clinic do you see one “human being” going in or two?
2. Is the one person you see going into an abortion clinic a Christian just like you?

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v. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 240824 {post•12636}. eagle1462010 Aug’24 Srvwgo: When does a fetus become a living being? vvglvN 240824 Srvwgo12636

vi. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 240824 {post•12638 to 12636}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vrvwgo: Human life begins at conception which remains consistent with Judaism for six millennia having established doctrine wherein the sanctity of human life begins at birth. nfbw 240824 Vrvwgo12638

vii . Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 240824 {post•12639 to 12638}. eagle 1462010 Aug’24 Srvwgo: Meaning you support late term abortion of healthy babies. vvgkvN 240824 Srvwgo12639

viii . Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 240824 {post•12640 to 12639}. Monk-Eye Aug’24 MVPrvwgo: Why do the abortion anti-choice belittle and exemplify such little faith in the ethical principles of other individuals , whom are facing with cause abortion , to determine the meaning of healthy not only for the child but for the mother , while knowing full well that the behavioral motivation of individuals at such stages of development is to deliver a healthy child and not to option without cause abortion ? •¥• No doubt the abortion anti-choice will allude to a cult of degenerates claiming a want to make sacrifices of mortal suffering to satan , all while knowing that such events would be exceedingly unlikely and not available under law .•¥¥• The abortion anti-choice perception of healthy is a heart beat , irrespective of major congenital fetal abnormalities that comprise nearly 3% of all pregnancies . •¥¥¥•. The roe v wade decision stipulated that , at post natural viability , states could proscribe abortion in the 3rd trimester , but even that should include a consideration for developmental anomalies of health and wellness for quality of life . mvnkvyv 230824 MVPrvwgo12640

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x Proof-of-citizenship voting bill push could threaten government shutdown 240909 {post•138}. daveman Sep’24 Spocvbs: Pence would have been correct to not certify until the allegations of cheating were investigated. dvmn 240909 Spocvb00138


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NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Vpocvb: I would hope Saint_Daveman would explain the process and rules by which Mike Pence couid in fact not certify the 2020 election that he knew he had lost.

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Your walls of text are too annoying to respond to.

 

[daveman]

They were investigated. I saw the entire top of the DOJ... the Trump DOJ, testify that there was no widespread voter fraud after they investigated the allegations. This on top of over 60 court cases.

What you are saying is that the VP can simply disregard the will of the people, the DOJ, and the judicial system, on his own recognizance.

If he believes the election was not free, fair, and open, he would have the duty to refuse to certify, because he believes the will of the people is not being done.

You want the VP to just be a rubber-stamp. And you want him to rubber-stamp whatever the Democrats want.

Not very democratic of you, is it?

 

[Oddball]

They were investigated. I saw the entire top of the DOJ... the Trump DOJ, testify that there was no widespread voter fraud after they investigated the allegations.

It has already been proven that Barr lied when he said there were investigations.

This on top of over 60 court cases.

None of which made rulings on any evidence.

What you are saying is that the VP can simply disregard the will of the people, the DOJ, and the judicial system, on his own recognizance.

There is still no law that prevents the VP from accepting the petitions from states, to delay their particular certifications until they recheck their results.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Your walls of text are too annoying to respond to.

Why are you responding and acknowledging that you’re running away from him?.

I can shorten them just for you if you have an argument or you think something I said is not true

 

[forkup]

If he believes the election was not free, fair, and open, he would have the duty to refuse to certify, because he believes the will of the people is not being done.

You want the VP to just be a rubber-stamp. And you want him to rubber-stamp whatever the Democrats want.

Not very democratic of you, is it?

Lol. You think it is Democratic to have the VP be the final and only word on whether a election is free and fair. Not the voters.

You have an odd notion of Democracy. Why bother voting in your scenario at all? In the end it's only one man's feelings that matter.

Thanks for explaining how you truly feel about Democracy.

 

[Muhammed]

Lol. You think it is Democratic to have the VP be the final and only word on whether a election is free and fair. Not the voters.

You have an odd notion of Democracy. Why bother voting in your scenario at all? In the end it's only one man's feelings that matter.

That is not true.

IIRC, if the President of the Senate cannot or refuses to certify the election, then it goes to the House of Representatives where the representatives from each state vote.

In 2021, that vote would have gone to Trump.

 

[forkup]

That is not true.

IIRC, if the President of the Senate cannot or refuses to certify the election, then it goes to the House of Representatives where the representatives from each state vote.

In 2021, that vote would have gone to Trump.

Ah, that makes it more Democratic? Under your scenario why vote for president at all? Since it's the VP feelings that decide whether the presidential election results are honored or the house gets to decide.

 

[forkup]

If he believes the election was not free, fair, and open, he would have the duty to refuse to certify, because he believes the will of the people is not being done.

You want the VP to just be a rubber-stamp. And you want him to rubber-stamp whatever the Democrats want.

Not very democratic of you, is it?

Oh and by the way not "rubber stamping whatever the Democrats want." But rubber stamping the electoral college votes, you know... those things that the Trump campaign forged. Since the VP doesn't have anything but a ceremonial roll to play in the process.

 

[Muhammed]

Ah, that makes it more Democratic?

Yes.

 

[forkup]

Yes.

So your position is that if you win the presidency, and 2 years later you win the house. The next presidential election is unnecessary? Since it's the VP who gets to decide if he certifies.

 

[Muhammed]

So your position is that if you win the presidency, and 2 years later you win the house. The next presidential election is unnecessary? Since it's the VP who gets to decide if he certifies.

That's not what I said, moron.

Read the US Constitution.

 

[forkup]

That's not what I said, moron.

Read the US Constitution.

Moron? You are putting forth the premise that a VP can simply refuse to certify. A premise that gives the VP the choice to either honor the certified election results or let the house decide. In which case voting for president becomes moot if the house and the VP are off the same party.