Progressive Propaganda: The 2nd Amendment Edition

[danielpalos]

You have to get Organized for that. Only the UnOrganized militia whines about "gun control".

Who says we have to get "organized?"

What is the legal authority on which you rely?

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Our Second Amendment. Well regulated militia have no need to complain about gun control.

 

[P@triot]

Some firearm facts for the uninformed...

Glenn Beck schools Ashton Kutcher on gun stats in response to his ‘make this about data’ tweet

 

[P@triot]

You have to get Organized for that. Only the UnOrganized militia whines about "gun control".

Who says we have to get "organized?

Ironically, Daniel himself proved that we do not have to organize. See post #197 above.

 

[P@triot]

You didn’t answer my question. Stop being a sleazy left-winger who runs from their own dumb posts.

Where is my government-provided firearm???

You should get Organized, for that.

Snowflake, you are the one who cited 10USC246 (which specifically breaks down the militia into two classes) in post #1839. Here is the federal law:

10USC246
(b)The classes of the militia are—

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.​

So for the third time now...where is my government-provided (fully automatic) firearm?!?

After all Daniel, you are the one who insisted we were a part of the militia whether we like it or not. And you admitted that the federal government cannot restrict firearms from the militia!!!

Holy shit did your position completely backfire on you...

You have to get Organized for that. Only the UnOrganized militia whines about "gun control".

Danny. Danny. Danny. You provided 10USC246 to the class. You were adamant that we should adhere to it. It clearly states that the militia is made up of two classes - one of which being the “unorganized militia”. It is absolutely recognized by federal law as being official militia.

So for the fourth time now Danny boy, were is my government-provided (fully automatic) firearm?

Why do you duck and dodge your own posts and points?

 

[Lesh]

Danny. Danny. Danny. You provided 10USC246 to the class. You were adamant that we should adhere to it. It clearly states that the militia is made up of two classes - one of which being the “unorganized militia”. It is absolutely recognized by federal law as being official militia.

There is only ONE militia mentioned in the Constitution...and Article 1 Section 8 describes an actual "well regulated militia" with officers and training and roll call and discipline.

What you are referring to is the Dick Act which ONLY pertains to males between 17 and 45. THAT is your unorganized militia.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There is only ONE militia mentioned in the Constitution...and Article 1 Section 8 describes an actual "well regulated militia" with officers and training and roll call and discipline.

What you are referring to is the Dick Act which ONLY pertains to males between 17 and 45. THAT is your unorganized militia.

The constitution says nothing about"organized" v. "unorganizaed" and none of that matters because they refer to a right of people to keep and bear arms indepenent of, and pre-existing to, the constitution.

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[danielpalos]

You have to get Organized for that. Only the UnOrganized militia whines about "gun control".

Who says we have to get "organized?

Ironically, Daniel himself proved that we do not have to organize. See post #197 above.

yes, you do. They don't whine about gun control, the unorganized militia does.

 

[danielpalos]

You didn’t answer my question. Stop being a sleazy left-winger who runs from their own dumb posts.

Where is my government-provided firearm???

You should get Organized, for that.

Snowflake, you are the one who cited 10USC246 (which specifically breaks down the militia into two classes) in post #1839. Here is the federal law:

10USC246
(b)The classes of the militia are—

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.​

So for the third time now...where is my government-provided (fully automatic) firearm?!?

After all Daniel, you are the one who insisted we were a part of the militia whether we like it or not. And you admitted that the federal government cannot restrict firearms from the militia!!!

Holy shit did your position completely backfire on you...

You have to get Organized for that. Only the UnOrganized militia whines about "gun control".

Danny. Danny. Danny. You provided 10USC246 to the class. You were adamant that we should adhere to it. It clearly states that the militia is made up of two classes - one of which being the “unorganized militia”. It is absolutely recognized by federal law as being official militia.

So for the fourth time now Danny boy, were is my government-provided (fully automatic) firearm?

Why do you duck and dodge your own posts and points?

The Organized militia does not whine about gun control. The unorganized militia does.

You Must be UnOrganized if You do not know your own heavy weapons section.

 

[danielpalos]

There is only ONE militia mentioned in the Constitution...and Article 1 Section 8 describes an actual "well regulated militia" with officers and training and roll call and discipline.

What you are referring to is the Dick Act which ONLY pertains to males between 17 and 45. THAT is your unorganized militia.

The constitution says nothing about"organized" v. "unorganizaed" and none of that matters because they refer to a right of people to keep and bear arms indepenent of, and pre-existing to, the constitution.

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Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, are declared Necessary.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, are declared Necessary.

So, assuming "well-regulated" means "organized" (it does not) the non-well regulated militia of only PART of the people are not declared necessary, but nothing in the 2nd states that the right of the People can be infringed.

How does that change the FACT that the right to keep and bear arms pre-existed the United States and the Amendment unequivocally declares that the right of the people shall not be infringed?

You have never once connected the dots. You just repeat the same phrases over and over and over and over .....and over....(10 minutes later)...and over and over!!!

 

[danielpalos]

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, are declared Necessary.

So, assuming "well-regulated" means "organized" (it does not) the non-well regulated militia of only PART of the people are not declared necessary, but nothing in the 2nd states that the right of the People can be infringed.

How does that change the FACT that the right to keep and bear arms pre-existed the United States and the Amendment unequivocally declares that the right of the people shall not be infringed?

You have never once connected the dots. You just repeat the same phrases over and over and over and over .....and over....(10 minutes later)...and over and over!!!

Yes, it does. They are synonymous for the purposes of our Second Amendment. It is a fallacy of composition to believe they are not.

 

[Lesh]

So, assuming "well-regulated" means "organized" (it does not) the non-well regulated militia of only PART of the people are not declared necessary, but nothing in the 2nd states that the right of the People can be infringed.

What right of the People?

The right to own a gun as needed by a well regulated militia?

oh...

 

[P@triot]

Ironically, Daniel himself proved that we do not have to organize. See post #197 above.

yes, you do. They don't whine about gun control, the unorganized militia does.

10USC246 - the federal law you cited - says otherwise, snowflake. Why do you insist on violating federal law? And where are my government-issued, fully automatic firearms?

 

[P@triot]

The Organized militia does not whine about gun control. The unorganized militia does.

Yes they do. Every single day. Why do you insist on lying every time you post?

You Must be UnOrganized if You do not know your own heavy weapons section.

I know my own “heavy weapons” section very well. I’m just waiting for the government to provide it to me pursuant to the U.S. Constitution and 10USC246.

 

[P@triot]

The right to own a gun as needed by a well regulated militia?

But it doesn’t say that Daniel. It doesn’t say that at all. It says...

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

That doesn’t even remotely resemble “as needed by a well regulated militia”.

 

[P@triot]

What right of the People?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms (as written verbatim in the U.S. Constitution).

Thank you for asking!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, are declared Necessary.

So, assuming "well-regulated" means "organized" (it does not) the non-well regulated militia of only PART of the people are not declared necessary, but nothing in the 2nd states that the right of the People can be infringed.

How does that change the FACT that the right to keep and bear arms pre-existed the United States and the Amendment unequivocally declares that the right of the people shall not be infringed?

You have never once connected the dots. You just repeat the same phrases over and over and over and over .....and over....(10 minutes later)...and over and over!!!

Yes, it does. They are synonymous for the purposes of our Second Amendment. It is a fallacy of composition to believe they are not.

Did a Court ever hold that well-regulated as used in the 2nd is synonymous with organized? If the legislature intended the organized militia to mean well-regulated, they would have called it the well-regulated militia. They didn't. We must assume the legislature intended the distinction.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, assuming "well-regulated" means "organized" (it does not) the non-well regulated militia of only PART of the people are not declared necessary, but nothing in the 2nd states that the right of the People can be infringed.

What right of the People?

The right to own a gun as needed by a well regulated militia?

oh...

The pre-constitutional inalienable right referred to in the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Danny. Danny. Danny. You provided 10USC246 to the class. You were adamant that we should adhere to it. It clearly states that the militia is made up of two classes - one of which being the “unorganized militia”. It is absolutely recognized by federal law as being official militia.

There is only ONE militia mentioned in the Constitution...and Article 1 Section 8 describes an actual "well regulated militia" with officers and training and roll call and discipline.

What you are referring to is the Dick Act which ONLY pertains to males between 17 and 45. THAT is your unorganized militia.

You really need to read that act. It created the National Guard as Organized Militia in accordance with the 2nd amendment. It set standards for the Guards that weren't there before. It got funding for the Guards. But a Governor could still refuse his Guards to be federalized without a full blown draft. It gave meat to the 1792 Militia Act that authorized the Militias and laid out how the President could call them up. Since the Dick Act was passed in 1903, the 18-45 was already changed to 18-54. It did acknowledge the Unorganized Militia but that was EVERY male regardless of race, creed or color that could be taken into the military through a draft. Under the Dick Act, the Guard could not be used outside of the US. The Dick act was driven by the Spanish American War. Before, the Army was limited to 75,000 troops. The Dick Act expanded that to 125,000 active duty and 495,000 National Guardsman. At this time, the 2nd amendment was closely followed where the States were much more powerful than the Feds. The reason for this was that "Memory"' of the Revolutionary war was still being bandied about.

In 1916, due to WWI coming on, the real National Guard was created where the President could call them up with only a few exceptions. It changed the Dick act. Now, the Guards could be Nationalized without the approval of the Governors with only a few exceptions. It also funded the National Guard so that it could be on Parity with the Regular Army for training and equipment. This was somewhat driven by the bouts with Poncho Villa and the soon to be entered WWI. It also meant the Guards could be called up for an extended time federalized. When the US started getting prepared for sending troops to Europe, the limits on the number of personnel was removed. To this day, it still is removed. Now, for the first time, the Federals were many times more powerful than the States and the original intent of the first 2 parts of the 2nd Amendment no longer applied. The reason for this was that WWI required 2 million men to be trained and sent to France which completely blew the Dick Act numbers out. Side note. The Germans didn't surrender when the US sent the first 2 million. They did when they learned that another 2 million were being trained.

Pretty much, the Dick Act was rewritten much like it did the earlier ones before it. And as they say, the rest is history.

 

[Pilot1]

The constitution says nothing about"organized" v. "unorganizaed" and none of that matters because they refer to a right of people to keep and bear arms indepenent of, and pre-existing to, the constitution.

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^^^^^This. In addition the Supreme Court confirmed the right to keep and bear arms is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

BTW. "well regulated" means well trained, and well equipped, not "restricted" in any way. Anyway, doesn't matter as the militia clause is separate from our NATURAL RIGHT.