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Pretty hard to the believe the various religions that say their god yelled SHA-ZAM and created a planet and more.
OTOH, that's why its called faith.
OTOH, that's why its called faith.
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Here is the error with his argument. He doesn't understand what free will is and erroneously assumes that free will does not exist because we have no choice in what we do.There is a video series on youtube regarding the problems with ex nihilo creation (ceation out of nothing). Here is a link to that video series:
Problems with Ex Nihilo Video Series - YouTube
And there it is right in front of you from your own source, what you are calling "nothing" your own source is calling it a BALANCE of 2 (two) THINGS, positive ENERGY and negative ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Here is what he and everyone else who believes in inflation says:
It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe.
Clearly you don't understand that according to inflation theory nothing exists until space time is created through a quantum tunneling event where all energy is created and that the negative force is a consequence of the positive force just like in statics where the sum of forces equals zero.And there it is right in front of you from your own source, what you are calling "nothing" your own source is calling it a BALANCE of 2 (two) THINGS, positive ENERGY and negative ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Here is what he and everyone else who believes in inflation says:
It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe.
Net energy equaling zero means the 2 energies, positive and negative, are EQUAL, not that they don't exist and are "nothing."
Get it?
It is very simple and I'm sure everyone else gets it!
It has everything to do with motion because the THEORETICAL heat death of the universe is when all the energy of the universe becomes heat and no more WORK can be done. But as long as there is motion there is KINETIC energy and kinetic energy CAN do work. The reality of the Third Law of Thermodynamics say that there is no temperature at which all motion stops, therefore there can never be thermal equilibrium in the universe.Has nothing to do with motion. It has everything to do with loss of heat. THERMAL equilibrium. We don't see that.Like you say, we went over this before, thermal equilibrium can only be reached when all motion stops, which contradicts the TLoT.The SLoT says otherwise.God Is Impossible, Just Like Most SuperheroesThe concept of something coming from nothing is impossible for our thought processes to digest. That may merely be a limit of our thought processes.
Who sets up these limits on us? Nothing was created; all of it always was. The forms of it have changed, that's all.
As time approaches infinity, the universe will approach thermal equilibrium. This we do not see.
It seems that you are unable to comprehend infinity.It has everything to do with motion because the THEORETICAL heat death of the universe is when all the energy of the universe becomes heat and no more WORK can be done. But as long as there is motion there is KINETIC energy and kinetic energy CAN do work. The reality of the Third Law of Thermodynamics say that there is no temperature at which all motion stops, therefore there can never be thermal equilibrium in the universe.Has nothing to do with motion. It has everything to do with loss of heat. THERMAL equilibrium. We don't see that.Like you say, we went over this before, thermal equilibrium can only be reached when all motion stops, which contradicts the TLoT.The SLoT says otherwise.God Is Impossible, Just Like Most SuperheroesThe concept of something coming from nothing is impossible for our thought processes to digest. That may merely be a limit of our thought processes.
Who sets up these limits on us? Nothing was created; all of it always was. The forms of it have changed, that's all.
As time approaches infinity, the universe will approach thermal equilibrium. This we do not see.
You have invented a Fourth Law of Thermodynamics that does not exist and violates the TLoT.
THERE IS NO FOURTH LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, so I ask you in reality HOW MANY LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS ARE THERE?????????
I dare you to answer!
Inflation says no such thing, that is YOUR perversion of inflationClearly you don't understand that according to inflation theory nothing exists until space time is created through a quantum tunneling event where all energy is created and that the negative force is a consequence of the positive force just like in statics where the sum of forces equals zero.And there it is right in front of you from your own source, what you are calling "nothing" your own source is calling it a BALANCE of 2 (two) THINGS, positive ENERGY and negative ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Here is what he and everyone else who believes in inflation says:
It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe.
Net energy equaling zero means the 2 energies, positive and negative, are EQUAL, not that they don't exist and are "nothing."
Get it?
It is very simple and I'm sure everyone else gets it!
It seems you can't comprehend the Laws of Thermodynamics.It seems that you are unable to comprehend infinity.It has everything to do with motion because the THEORETICAL heat death of the universe is when all the energy of the universe becomes heat and no more WORK can be done. But as long as there is motion there is KINETIC energy and kinetic energy CAN do work. The reality of the Third Law of Thermodynamics say that there is no temperature at which all motion stops, therefore there can never be thermal equilibrium in the universe.Has nothing to do with motion. It has everything to do with loss of heat. THERMAL equilibrium. We don't see that.Like you say, we went over this before, thermal equilibrium can only be reached when all motion stops, which contradicts the TLoT.The SLoT says otherwise.God Is Impossible, Just Like Most Superheroes
Who sets up these limits on us? Nothing was created; all of it always was. The forms of it have changed, that's all.
As time approaches infinity, the universe will approach thermal equilibrium. This we do not see.
You have invented a Fourth Law of Thermodynamics that does not exist and violates the TLoT.
THERE IS NO FOURTH LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, so I ask you in reality HOW MANY LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS ARE THERE?????????
I dare you to answer!
That is exactly what inflation theory says. No universe. Then universe.Inflation says no such thing, that is YOUR perversion of inflationClearly you don't understand that according to inflation theory nothing exists until space time is created through a quantum tunneling event where all energy is created and that the negative force is a consequence of the positive force just like in statics where the sum of forces equals zero.And there it is right in front of you from your own source, what you are calling "nothing" your own source is calling it a BALANCE of 2 (two) THINGS, positive ENERGY and negative ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Here is what he and everyone else who believes in inflation says:
It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe.
Net energy equaling zero means the 2 energies, positive and negative, are EQUAL, not that they don't exist and are "nothing."
Get it?
It is very simple and I'm sure everyone else gets it!
Your own quote clearly says positive and negative energy exists and it is their very existence that creates space/time by a quantum fluctuation of those TWO existing energies.
I'm not the one who can't comprehend infinity and thermal equilibrium which IS a consequence of the SLoT.It seems you can't comprehend the Laws of Thermodynamics.It seems that you are unable to comprehend infinity.It has everything to do with motion because the THEORETICAL heat death of the universe is when all the energy of the universe becomes heat and no more WORK can be done. But as long as there is motion there is KINETIC energy and kinetic energy CAN do work. The reality of the Third Law of Thermodynamics say that there is no temperature at which all motion stops, therefore there can never be thermal equilibrium in the universe.Has nothing to do with motion. It has everything to do with loss of heat. THERMAL equilibrium. We don't see that.Like you say, we went over this before, thermal equilibrium can only be reached when all motion stops, which contradicts the TLoT.The SLoT says otherwise.
As time approaches infinity, the universe will approach thermal equilibrium. This we do not see.
You have invented a Fourth Law of Thermodynamics that does not exist and violates the TLoT.
THERE IS NO FOURTH LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, so I ask you in reality HOW MANY LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS ARE THERE?????????
I dare you to answer!
Answer the question.
From your own link;
You can't comprehend how an expanding universe can NOT reach equilibrium!!!!I'm not the one who can't comprehend infinity and thermal equilibrium which IS a consequence of the SLoT.It seems you can't comprehend the Laws of Thermodynamics.It seems that you are unable to comprehend infinity.It has everything to do with motion because the THEORETICAL heat death of the universe is when all the energy of the universe becomes heat and no more WORK can be done. But as long as there is motion there is KINETIC energy and kinetic energy CAN do work. The reality of the Third Law of Thermodynamics say that there is no temperature at which all motion stops, therefore there can never be thermal equilibrium in the universe.Has nothing to do with motion. It has everything to do with loss of heat. THERMAL equilibrium. We don't see that.Like you say, we went over this before, thermal equilibrium can only be reached when all motion stops, which contradicts the TLoT.
You have invented a Fourth Law of Thermodynamics that does not exist and violates the TLoT.
THERE IS NO FOURTH LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, so I ask you in reality HOW MANY LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS ARE THERE?????????
I dare you to answer!
Answer the question.
Again your OWN link contradicts your NOTHINGNESS theory!!!!!
That seems to contradict your position more than the position of all the leading cosmologists.Again your OWN link contradicts your NOTHINGNESS theory!!!!!
From your link:
"Inflation was the 'bang' of the Big Bang," Filippenko told SPACE.com "Before inflation, there was just a little bit of stuff, quite possibly, expanding just a little bit. We needed something like inflation to make the universe big."
But it doesn't say no energy, then energy!!!!!That is exactly what inflation theory says. No universe. Then universe.Inflation says no such thing, that is YOUR perversion of inflationClearly you don't understand that according to inflation theory nothing exists until space time is created through a quantum tunneling event where all energy is created and that the negative force is a consequence of the positive force just like in statics where the sum of forces equals zero.And there it is right in front of you from your own source, what you are calling "nothing" your own source is calling it a BALANCE of 2 (two) THINGS, positive ENERGY and negative ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Here is what he and everyone else who believes in inflation says:
It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe.
Net energy equaling zero means the 2 energies, positive and negative, are EQUAL, not that they don't exist and are "nothing."
Get it?
It is very simple and I'm sure everyone else gets it!
Your own quote clearly says positive and negative energy exists and it is their very existence that creates space/time by a quantum fluctuation of those TWO existing energies.
Inflation theory explains how the universe begins.