Pro-Russian Protesters Declare Eastern Ukraine a Separatist Republic

[Uncensored2008]

I thought he smiled not chagrined....

Fracking lowers the price of fuel, allowing the middle class to travel and heat homes with less hours of work.

Obama seeks $5 to $7 a gallon gas, as a means of crushing the middle class, fracking is a detriment to the Obama goal of eradicating the bourgeoisie.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Kinda hard to do since during the Bush administration oil companies and refiners were allowed to conglomerate, then the price of fuel doubled....

That's a ThinkProgress talking point alright - divorced from reality as it is. I mean, as the mindless shit the left puts out goes, that is pretty ******* stupid.

Look, Obamunists have ONE and ONLY ONE answer to anything - Blame Bush - but Bush isn't President, Obumbler is.

When Reagan deregulated it was good for consumers but people like my Grandparents lost the farm due to investment in Phillips petroleum....when the bottom fell out.. sent Okiehoma into recession yet again,so I went on active duty due to the severe lack of work after deregulation..

The Russians and Iranians lost most. Obama appears to be protecting their markets at present time.

[MENTION=27995]Uncensored2008[/MENTION]

EXACTLY what do YOU think Obama should do differently?

 

[R.C. Christian]

It entertaining to watch morons try to argue foreign policy ^^^

 

[tinydancer]

Why not? Pro EU protesters overthrew the elected government in Kiev.

No they didn't. Ukraine Parliament impeached the Ukraine Pres. by a vote of 328 to 119. You're just regurgitating Putin propaganda.

With all due respect there were a fair number of individuals who fear for their lives. These whack jobs the Right Sector and the goons in Svoboda thump people who oppose them on a regular basis.

And it's not Putin propaganda. This is well documented. Hells bells Svoboda MP's took a film of themselves beating the shit out of a head of a television station and forced him to resign while they were cracking his skull.

 

[Camp]

Why not? Pro EU protesters overthrew the elected government in Kiev.

No they didn't. Ukraine Parliament impeached the Ukraine Pres. by a vote of 328 to 119. You're just regurgitating Putin propaganda.

A little early to start on the history revision isnt it?

What is revision? The elected Parliament followed the Constitution of Ukraine and impeached the President, appointed a temporary one and scheduled an election. They followed their constitution.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It entertaining to watch morons try to argue foreign policy ^^^

Why do you think the rw MAROONS say they disagree with the president's actions but can't say what the president should do differently?

 

[Uncensored2008]

[MENTION=27995]Uncensored2008[/MENTION]

EXACTLY what do YOU think Obama should do differently?

Remove the restrictions on oil drilling and exploration, approve Keystone. He can't lead, but he CAN get out of the way.

 

[tinydancer]

They do like to tape themselves hurting opponents. was threatening this Prosecutor saying he was going to drag him to the Square and hang him.

Posted on YouTube earlier this week, the video went viral, racking up more than 50,000 views in three days. Another Right Sector video popped up online this week, showing the far-right activist Olexandr Muzychko, aka “Sashko Bilyi.” The banner advertizes: “Watch the new video “Sachko communicates with a prosecutor”! Click here!”


In it, Bilyi roughly yells at the prosecutor of the Rivno region, snatching his tie and threatning to pull him to the Maidan trussed up by a rope.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov condemned the video as “not an exaggerated manifestation of the hunt for justice, but sabotage against people’s faith in possible order.

Can Ukraine Control Its Far Right Ultranationalists? - The Daily Beast

 

[Camp]

Why not? Pro EU protesters overthrew the elected government in Kiev.

No they didn't. Ukraine Parliament impeached the Ukraine Pres. by a vote of 328 to 119. You're just regurgitating Putin propaganda.

With all due respect there were a fair number of individuals who fear for their lives. These whack jobs the Right Sector and the goons in Svoboda thump people who oppose them on a regular basis.

And it's not Putin propaganda. This is well documented. Hells bells Svoboda MP's took a film of themselves beating the shit out of a head of a television station and forced him to resign while they were cracking his skull.

Makes no difference that there were alleged threats and crap going on in the background or in front of cameras. The legal Parliament, the elected Parliament, used a constitutional process and protocal to impeach and replace the President. That makes the current government legal and constitutional.

 

[Camp]

They do like to tape themselves hurting opponents. This thug was threatening this Prosecutor saying he was going to drag him to the Square and hang him.

Posted on YouTube earlier this week, the video went viral, racking up more than 50,000 views in three days. Another Right Sector video popped up online this week, showing the far-right activist Olexandr Muzychko, aka “Sashko Bilyi.” The banner advertizes: “Watch the new video “Sachko communicates with a prosecutor”! Click here!”


In it, Bilyi roughly yells at the prosecutor of the Rivno region, snatching his tie and threatning to pull him to the Maidan trussed up by a rope.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov condemned the video as “not an exaggerated manifestation of the hunt for justice, but sabotage against people’s faith in possible order.

Can Ukraine Control Its Far Right Ultranationalists? - The Daily Beast

Where is Sashko Bilyi now?

 

[pvsi]

And what would you have us do?

Wonder what our fearless leader will do when Putin invades Eastern Ukraine?

What would you have him do, specifically?

Neither one of you have a clue, do you?

This, right here ladies and gentlemen, is prima facie evidence why dimocrap scum should never hold the reins of power.

They're clueless. And stupid.

boys, if you gotta ask.....

Step 1) Grow a pair....

Step 2) Step 1 is never gonna happen so what's the point?

So 2 people ask you a very simple question, and this is the best you got?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

And what would you have us do?

What would you have him do, specifically?

Neither one of you have a clue, do you?

This, right here ladies and gentlemen, is prima facie evidence why dimocrap scum should never hold the reins of power.

They're clueless. And stupid.

boys, if you gotta ask.....

Step 1) Grow a pair....

Step 2) Step 1 is never gonna happen so what's the point?

So 2 people ask you a very simple question, and this is the best you got?

That's okay. Its exactly what I expected.

If you think that's bad, check out Uncensored's "answer" ^^.

 

[tinydancer]

No they didn't. Ukraine Parliament impeached the Ukraine Pres. by a vote of 328 to 119. You're just regurgitating Putin propaganda.

With all due respect there were a fair number of individuals who fear for their lives. These whack jobs the Right Sector and the goons in Svoboda thump people who oppose them on a regular basis.

And it's not Putin propaganda. This is well documented. Hells bells Svoboda MP's took a film of themselves beating the shit out of a head of a television station and forced him to resign while they were cracking his skull.

Makes no difference that there were alleged threats and crap going on in the background or in front of cameras. The legal Parliament, the elected Parliament, used a constitutional process and protocal to impeach and replace the President. That makes the current government legal and constitutional.

The legitimacy of the impeachment is certainly up for debate. And that debate will rage on long past the new election at the end of May. And the dueling constitutions gives this another bizarre twist.

Yanukovych with all hell breaking loose because this was not a "peaceful protest" this was a violent coup fled for his life and wasn't able to sign the agreement that had been brokered with the EU and the Opposition saw the opportunity to overthrow Yanukovych and seized power.

Dueling Constitutions

But a legal gap remains. According to the terms of an EU-brokered peace deal finalized on February 21, Yanukovych was due to sign a measure returning Ukraine to its 2004 constitution. (In 2010, Yanukovych restored the country's 1996 constitution, which hands greater power to the presidency.)

Yanukovych, however, failed to sign the measure. The omission appears to leave Kyiv in the kind of legal limbo that may prove fodder for future arguments against the current government transition.

The 1996 and the 2004 constitutions are uniform when it comes to the reasons for removing a president, with Article 111 stating the parliament has the right to initiate a procedure of impeachment "if he commits treason or other crime."

However, it is not clear that the hasty February 22 vote upholds constitutional guidelines, which call for a review of the case by Ukraine's Constitutional Court and a three-fourths majority vote by the Verkhovna Rada -- i.e., 338 lawmakers.

Pro-Yanukovych lawmakers may also argue that under the 1996 constitution, it should have been the current acting prime minister, Serhiy Arbuzov, who assumed power after Yanukovych's removal.

The 2004 constitution designates the parliament speaker as the No. 2 position.

Was Yanukovych's Ouster Constitutional?

 

[tinydancer]

And I will say I'm loving every minute of witnessing Kiev freaking out over "bad protestors" who don't like what Kiev stands for any more.

The hypocrisy is palpable.

 

[The Rabbi]

With all due respect there were a fair number of individuals who fear for their lives. These whack jobs the Right Sector and the goons in Svoboda thump people who oppose them on a regular basis.

And it's not Putin propaganda. This is well documented. Hells bells Svoboda MP's took a film of themselves beating the shit out of a head of a television station and forced him to resign while they were cracking his skull.

Makes no difference that there were alleged threats and crap going on in the background or in front of cameras. The legal Parliament, the elected Parliament, used a constitutional process and protocal to impeach and replace the President. That makes the current government legal and constitutional.

The legitimacy of the impeachment is certainly up for debate. And that debate will rage on long past the new election at the end of May. And the dueling constitutions gives this another bizarre twist.

Yanukovych with all hell breaking loose because this was not a "peaceful protest" this was a violent coup fled for his life and wasn't able to sign the agreement that had been brokered with the EU and the Opposition saw the opportunity to overthrow Yanukovych and seized power.

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I guess we shouldn't have supported Vaclav Havel in Czechoslovakia either since that was an illegal coup.

 

[blackhawk]

It appears the scolding Obama gave Putin over Crimea may not be having the chilling effect on Putin some thought it would it also looks like the much talked about Putin call to Obama may not have been Putin begging for mercy. Now for how Obama should respond move naval assets especially aircraft carrier into the region and announce publicly that we will support the Ukraine government and send them supplies and arms if Russian troops invade again please note I said nothing about sending in U.S. troops or getting involved directly in any fighting. The purpose of this would be as a show of force and resolve and to let Putin know if he crosses the border again he will pay a price because he will be facing a better trained and more importantly a better armed force than he did when going into Crimea.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD4QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2F2014%2F04%2F07%2Fus-ukraine-crisis-storm-idUSBREA350B420140407&ei=xydDU4PfAYjx2wXY64GYAQ&usg=AFQjCNHbOw_UFqUVKuOoFEshV86gx7iEPA&bvm=bv.64367178,d.b2I

 

[The Rabbi]

It appears the scolding Obama gave Putin over Crimea may not be having the chilling effect on Putin some thought it would it also looks like the much talked about Putin call to Obama may not have been Putin begging for mercy. Now for how Obama should respond move naval assets especially aircraft carrier into the region and announce publicly that we will support the Ukraine government and send them supplies and arms if Russian troops invade again please note I said nothing about sending in U.S. troops or getting involved directly in any fighting. The purpose of this would be as a show of force and resolve and to let Putin know if he crosses the border again he will pay a price because he will be facing a better trained and more importantly a better armed force than he did when going into Crimea.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD4QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2F2014%2F04%2F07%2Fus-ukraine-crisis-storm-idUSBREA350B420140407&ei=xydDU4PfAYjx2wXY64GYAQ&usg=AFQjCNHbOw_UFqUVKuOoFEshV86gx7iEPA&bvm=bv.64367178,d.b2I

You are absolutely right. We could also offer air support. What are the chances of Obama doing anything other than drawing another red line and going off for a well deserved vacation?

 

[Pheonixops]

Reagan and the Bushes would have done nothing either.

And rightly so! We didn't have a military disadvantage when Ukraine etc. was part of the Soviet Union. We need to respect their sphere of influence, just like they need to respect Ours. Putin knows better than to invade NATO countries...............

 

[The Rabbi]

Reagan and the Bushes would have done nothing either.

And rightly so! We didn't have a military disadvantage when Ukraine etc. was part of the Soviet Union. We need to respect their sphere of influence, just like they need to respect Ours. Putin knows better than to invade NATO countries...............

Guy, the Cold War ended some time ago. There is no SPhere of Influence anymore.

 

[Katzndogz]

What should obama do?

It's too late for him to do anything. The time to act was long ago, like at the time of the reset button debacle.

What not to do is offer military aid to the failing Ukranian coup. Such an action will turn Ukraine into Syria. This is ultimately a civil war. We can help in the murder of another 200,000 people or let the Ukrainians vote their way out.