Pro-Putin operatives in Germany work to turn Berlin against Ukraine

[Litwin]

An excellent @Reuters investigation into mOSCOW hybrid activities to sway public opinion in Germany - helped by Germany's relaxed attitude to background checks of the people it grants residence and citizen status to.

“We must stop being vassals of the Americans,” right-wing German politician Markus Beisicht said from a makeshift stage on the back of a truck. The crowd clapped and waved Russian and German flags.
The lean man is a Russian former air force officer. Originally called Rostislav Teslyuk, he changed his name to Max Schlund after settling in Germany a decade ago. In recent months, he travelled to Russian-controlled east Ukraine. More recently, a Russian government agency paid for his plane ticket to Moscow for a conference where President Vladimir Putin was the keynote speaker. The agency, Rossotrudnichestvo, is under EU sanctions for running a network of “agents of influence” spreading Kremlin narratives. Its head has branded the sanctions, imposed in July, as “insane.”

Schlund’s burly neighbour near the stage, a man called Andrei Kharkovsky, pledges allegiance to a Cossack society that is supporting Moscow’s military campaign in Ukraine. Schlund and Kharkovsky didn’t answer detailed questions for this article. In a WhatsApp exchange, Schlund wrote: “Eff off!” and “Glory to Russia!”

Pro-Putin operatives in Germany work to turn Berlin against Ukraine

In Germany some are clamouring for a change in course on Ukraine. Key figures in the campaign have links to the Russian state or far right, a Reuters investigation has found.

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[luiza]

Are they threatening to blow up your Frankfurt office , Titlose . ?

Your Nazi and US clerks need to be careful .

The Russians hate all Nazis .

 

[Litwin]

Frankfurt

natasha how is weather in Omsk ?

 

[shockedcanadian]

China and Russia are cozying up to Germany/

If and when WWIII occurs, it will be a far different division of nations than it was during WWII. America must stick to its principles and demand nations like Canada do the same, it is weakening Americas hand to refer to police states as "allies".

I've said this for years. When nations can't see a difference between "good and evil", alliances will be severed.

 

[Litwin]

China and Russia are cozying up to Germany/

If and when WWIII occurs, it will be a far different division of nations than it was during WWII. America must stick to its principles and demand nations like Canada do the same, it is weakening Americas hand to refer to police states as "allies".

I've said this for years. When nations can't see a difference between "good and evil", alliances will be severed.

your post has nothing to do with the reality, the major G.:s problem they have lived too good behind of US/NATO back.

they have developed a clinical form of pacifism, but pootler has changed everything, G has no choice but stick with us to the end.

[Column] Is it goodbye to 'pacifist' Germany?

Many Germans saw the country as a benign power that will always favours diplomacy and peace-making over the use of force. Not any more.

euobserver.com

Germany has long considered itself unique, and this mindset has given rise to a wide range of irresponsible and dangerous foreign-policy positions. In the current context, the country’s reluctance to support Ukraine has come at the expense of its closest friends and neighbors, not to mention its own reputation.

The Moral Bankruptcy of German Pacifism | DGAP

Germany has long considered itself unique, and this mindset has given rise to a wide range of irresponsible and dangerous foreign-policy positions. In the current context, the country’s reluctance to support Ukraine has come at the expense of its closest friends and neighbors, not to mention its...

dgap.org

 

[shockedcanadian]

Germany has been weak for decades, but many (you perhaps?) celebrated the "great, global leadership of Merkel".

A child of the East Germans, she decimated Germany, and followed policies that weakened her own nation while getting photo ops. Global media cheered her "brave leadership".

Now these dumbasses realize that they were had, patsies to the game played by Americas enemies. They might now understand why Obama ordered the tapping of her phone...

 

[Litwin]

Germany has been weak for decades, but many (you perhaps?) celebrated the "great, global leadership of Merkel".

it has happened way before her, somewhere in 50s. When Germans build the gas-oil export industry for ussr, they have been shocked how POOR AND BACKWARD THE MARXIST EMPIRE WAS. THEY CALLED IT UPPER VOLTA (Burkina Faso) WITH ROCKETS . STILL, Merkel and clinical pacifism is behind

Germany’s historic defense budget growth makes them the third largest global military spender with an annual budget of $83.5 billion by 2024, says GlobalData - GlobalData

Germany’s historic defense budget growth makes them the third largest global military spender (BAD NEWS FOR NIGERIA WITH SNOW) with an annual budget of $83.5 billion by 2024, says GlobalData​

 

[shockedcanadian]

it has happened way before her, somewhere in 50s. When Germans build the gas-oil export industry for ussr, they have been shocked how POOR AND BACKWARD THE MARXIST EMPIRE WAS. THEY CALLED IT UPPER VOLTA (Burkina Faso) WITH ROCKETS . STILL, Merkel and clinical pacifism is behind

Germany’s historic defense budget growth makes them the third largest global military spender with an annual budget of $83.5 billion by 2024, says GlobalData - GlobalData

Germany’s historic defense budget growth makes them the third largest global military spender (BAD NEWS FOR NIGERIA WITH SNOW) with an annual budget of $83.5 billion by 2024, says GlobalData​

Why do you answer my question as if I am Russian, lol. I am not your enemy pal.

As it were, Germanies military spending has only increased due to the Russian attack, before that it was pitiful.

Italy, UK and Japan are working on a 6th generation jet fighter. What is most interesting about that alliance is which European nations were not consulted on this.

 

[Litwin]

As it were, Germanies military spending has only increased due to the Russian attack, before that it was pitiful.

BEFORE , this war G. believed that they could be friends with Asiatic bararic hordesmen . today we all work toward the same goal,- destruction of juchi project ( Muscovy )

if you want to know what is in the heads of Muscovite hordesmen , watch this channel

 

[zaangalewa]

Germany has been weak for decades,

Say idiots since milleniums while they win themselve to death and Germany loses herselve to life.

but many (you perhaps?) celebrated the "great, global leadership of Merkel".

Angela Merkel? Which leadership? She is in pension.

A child of the East Germans,

Not a child from the East Coast of the USA? How comes?

she decimated Germany,

?

and followed policies that weakened her own nation while getting photo ops. Global media cheered her "brave leadership".

Now these dumbasses

One moment please. Did you call Mrs. Angela Merkel, the former chancellor of my federal republic of Germany "dumbass"? How is such an unbelievable bad behavior explanainable? Hmm - I guess you do not live in fear to be banned from Camelot the rest of your life because of a lack of courtesy and respect. It's more important for you to be a spitlicker of Donald Trump, fake-president of the black holes in the heads of the brainamputated.

realize that they were had, patsies to the game played by Americas enemies. They might now understand why Obama ordered the tapping of her phone...

Super-idiot: Do you really think she did not know what "Obama" did do? The shame for the USA is it that "Obama" did do so. It shows that you always only see enemies in everyone. It was not easy for Angela Merkel in those days to minimize this problem to a bagatelle and to save the reputation of the USA as far as possible.

 

[Litwin]

She is in pension.

a good point, we´d forget her , we live in the different age , Germany returns to Bismarck age

Bismarck led the Concert of Europe to contain the Juchi horde (Muscovy) and avoid BIG war and considered Germany "sated" after 1871. He sought stable alliances and did not want Germany to challenge British naval superiority or seek overseas colonies. In short his priority was to and prevent a Franco-Moscow alliance through diplomacy and avoid a major European war

 

[shockedcanadian]

Say idiots since milleniums while they win themselve to death and Germany loses herselve to life.



Angela Merkel? Which leadership? She is in pension.



Not a child from the East Coast of the USA? How comes?



?



One moment please. Did you call Mrs. Angela Merkel, the former chancellor of my federal republic of Germany "dumbass"? How is such an unbelievable bad behavior explanainable? Hmm - I guess you do not live in fear to be banned from Camelot the rest of your life because of a lack of courtesy and respect. It's more important for you to be a spitlicker of Donald Trump, fake-president of the black holes in the heads of the brainamputated.



Super-idiot: Do you really think she did not know what "Obama" did do? The shame for the USA is it that "Obama" did do so. It shows that you always only see enemies in everyone. It was not easy for Angela Merkel in those days to minimize this problem to a bagatelle and to save the reputation of the USA as far as possible.

I called the media dumbasses.

Though your suggestion has given me ideas. "If the shoe fits"...

 

[zaangalewa]

... Germany has long considered itself unique, and this mindset has given rise to a wide range of irresponsible and dangerous foreign-policy positions. ...

Concrete example for this totally stupid sentence?

 

[zaangalewa]

I called the media dumbasses.

Though your suggestion has given me ideas, hmmm...

What makes this better?

 

[zaangalewa]

... Bismarck ...

Good grief. Where do you live? When? The Prussian emperors over Germany ruled from 1870-1918. Today exist no Prussians any longer.

 

[Litwin]

Concrete example for this...sentence?

The refusal to send weapons to conflict zones equates the aggressor with the victim. For several weeks, German policymakers, refusing to acknowledge this, blocked other NATO members from sending arms to Ukraine.


Why have the Ukrainians received more weapons from Estonia (totaling $240 million) than from Germany (totaling $130 million), a country with an economy more than 100 times larger? Even in terms of financial and humanitarian aid, Germany’s support has been an embarrassment. What ever happened to “never again”?

In late February, Scholz asked for a list of available weaponsfrom the German defense industry, but cut all of the key weapons that Ukraine requested before sending it to the Ukrainian ambassador. When the media got hold of the original list, Scholz claimed that the deleted weapons would take longer to deliver.

etc.

Germany is heading for another grave historical humiliation for which it will spend years – if not decades – apologizing and correcting itself. But no one will believe that it is truly sorry, especially not in Eastern Europe, which is Germany’s biggest economic partner. The central principle of Polish foreign policy is the so-called Giedroyc doctrine: Poland will not be independent without an independent Ukraine. This principle was formulated when postwar Poland shed its own imperial illusions and accepted its eastern borders without Vilnius and Lviv.


Unless Germany starts to act like its allies, a huge political breach in Europe is inevitable. Ukrainians will lose all trust in Germany, and the rest of Central and Eastern Europe will have learned always to be suspicious of German motives, no matter who is in charge.

The Moral Bankruptcy of German Pacifism | DGAP

Germany has long considered itself unique, and this mindset has given rise to a wide range of irresponsible and dangerous foreign-policy positions. In the current context, the country’s reluctance to support Ukraine has come at the expense of its closest friends and neighbors, not to mention its...

dgap.org

 

[Litwin]

Good grief. Where do you live? When? The Prussian emperors over Germany ruled from 1870-1918. Today exist no Prussians any longer.

Metaphor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[luiza]

WAR ALREADY EFFECTIVELY OVER

Thomas H. Lipscomb writes that war will be lost because it was badly planned and in a way that could never have changed its direction:

American military planning was once world class. But who would plan a proxy war against Russia, one of the acknowledged masters of artillery with far better air defense technology than any in the West, and then equip our puppet Ukraine with inferior weapons and only enough ammunition to last six months? And surely American planners couldn’t help knowing that there was no longer a manufacturing base for resupply, and NATO warehouses were practically empty?

 

[zaangalewa]

The refusal to send weapons to conflict zones equates the aggressor with the victim. ...

So what?

 

[zaangalewa]

Unless Germany starts to act like its allies, ...

As far as I know we do much more than anyone else for the Ukraine - except the USA who is a much more powerful nation in the size of a continent. The problem is not what Germany is doing or not doing to satisfy the US-American - or any other - weapon industry in their greed to make always higher profits. The problem is what will happen in the USA herselve. It's easily imaginable that the USA will leave Europe as she left Afghanistan. Under such conditions it is also easily imaginable that the war hungry and death penalty hungry tyrannic nations Poland, the Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Hungaria, Turkey and many others will attack Germany because Germany is the enemy everyone loves: Germany never takes revenge for the brutal crimes others had done to our country. So be happy that we do not conquer "preventive" the complete East of Europe. The Urkaine is only an exception now in the moment because of their support for people like Selensky and their democratic political direction and the hope and will of the Ukrainians not to sink down into a tyranny again. So we support them, nonsense speaker.