President Trump wants to cut energy assistance to the poor
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iamwhatiseem
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NYcarbineer
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Keep the energy assistance program, and if the cost bothers you, alleviate that cost by raising the outrageously low royalty payments that the oil companies pay for drilling rights on public land.
iamwhatiseem
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The Federal government replacing it themselves would still be a federal program - hello???
Clearly stated is the intent of ending a long abused system with a more efficient program ran by the states.
That is a good thing.
It is ludicrous that a bureaucrat sitting at a desk in Washington DC is supposed to appropriately oversee the needs of someone living in Duluth, MN.
Makes a HELLUVA lot more sense for local officials to do so.
Dragonlady
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Really? That’s the sword you’re going to fall on. That the seniors who are benefitting from this program are drug addicts?
How many seniors do you know who are drug addicts. Drug addicts manage to kill themselves long before they reach retirement age.
TNHarley
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That makes a lot more sense than raping words like pogo did. Thanks fox.God you are so ******* dumb.You miss my entire ******* point.Its compromised of individuals as a whole, you ******* idiot.
If it meant on an individual basis, it would say "and promote the individual welfare"
Evidently you really dont know what general means
Not to mention, i even posted a little history for you. But god forbid, pogo be wrong about something.. Grow up, you damn dinosaur
You CANNOT promote the general welfare WITHOUT benefiting the individuals therein.
Holy SHIT you're an obtuse mothafucka
Philosophy has corrupted that document. Its so sad. I mean, just look at you :/
I mean, local interests not meeting "general" requirements, meet requirements? How ******* deluded is that?
So your answer to the question you won't answer is that it was unConstitutional for the Army Corps of Engineers to work on the Mississippi River or the levees in New Orleans, since there was no direct benefit to the citizens of Nevada.
I'd wager if a headlight goes out in your car you don't bother to fix it on the basis that it doesn't affect the brakes.
Do me a favor, ACTUALLY go read some history. I get so tired of you prancing around like a know it all and dont know shit about it.
Have a good one pogo
Chill TN, apparently SOME people don't understand that the domestic economy is highly interconnected and inter-dependent so when something like say an enormous flood happens over one vast swath of the country most other areas will be negatively impacted from an economic standpoint and thus expenditures pursuant to preventing such occurrences actually do benefit nearly everyone aka it fits the criteria for "general welfare" .....
This ignorance of economics leads them to use absolutely stupid ******* examples to try and support their specious arguments.
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heat assistance is administered by local govt
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iamwhatiseem
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No one wants to end heating assistance.
Just put down the Kool-Aid, and think for yourself and refuse to be among the faux outrage crowd.
Trump is not out to "kill old or poor people"....Good God... clearly he wants to end the federal program that the governments own audits show is full of fraud and abuse, and replace it with a state ran system with more controls and oversight.
This is a good thing.
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Your example is an example of "providing".
When the general welfare clause says to promote, what I take it to mean is that, our government will pass laws and enact regulation that allows people to prosper and to accel at life.
I'm not against public assistance, where needed. Here is what I think. If we could get everyone who is gaming the system off the government books, there would actually be a lot more support for those who really need it.
We, as a people are overtaxed already. Don't blame people for wanting the government to stop taking all of their earnings, blame the people who, unnecessarily, and without need, soak up all the assistance dollars intended for people who really need help, which causes the government to have to further tax people to keep enough money to help the rest.
If you want more money in the system, stop advocating for tax increases, and start advocating for spending cuts and better policing of the assistance system.
The problem with tax increases is that it's usually followed up by spending increases. The best way to turn it around is spending cuts.
Ironical post is ironical, seeing as how we elected, and this thread is directly about, an elitist asshole who's been handed everything in his life and has never taken any kind of reponsibility for anything, even simply holding a job, until the current one. Which is why he can't relate to people who actually DO take jobs and responsibilities.
What a great idea that was ----- said everybody in the world for the last two and a half years in dripping sarcasm.
SmokeALib
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Maybe the poor should make better life choices rather than depending on others to sustain their sorry asses.
iamwhatiseem
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Why don't we just keep up this litany of non-links with yet another non-link to this "audited fraud and abuse".
a billionaire real estate tycoon was jobless
Yep. I never tire of pointing that out. Perhaps the application should have read, "some kind of work history in some damn thing required".
iamwhatiseem
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Once AGAIN -- this mythological "gaming the system" is nothing more than a messageboard fantasy. Show us something from the actual real world and we'll talk turkey.
SmokeALib
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Let's do both.
NightFox
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It doesn't matter, the phrase "general welfare" is found in the preamble which does NOT in and of itself grant ANY authority to the federal government. All the preamble does is serve as an introduction (summary) of the intent of the authority explicitly granted to the federal government by the CONTENTS of the constitution.
In other words the preamble states that all the details contained within the Constitution are supposed to allow the federal government to serve those general ends.
Of course that doesn't stop the gub'mint worshippers from trying to imply that the federal government basically has unlimited authority to do whatever it wants as long as whatever it's doing can be mangled and shoehorned into something found in the preamble.
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