President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

[elvis]

You said: They can go to school, and fill public office.

Both of which they couldn't before Bush....so like I said..you don't know what you're talking about.

You are wrong. In Iraq at least, they could do both before Bush. Now, because of violence targeted at women's schools in some regions....can they still do both?

It's not a matter of siding with anyone, it's a matter of accuracy. Iraq and Afghanistan are as different as America and Italy.

Which is why when we first invaded Iraq, the majority of people didn't want us there. Which is why in 2006, the majority of people wanted us gone. Now it's 2009, and I'm willing to bet they still want us gone.

not gonna happen. I wonder how many South Koreans want us there.

 

[Modbert]

not gonna happen. I wonder how many South Koreans want us there.

To be honest, that is a good question. I have never actually seen any numbers that say one or another on that issue. However, if it is anything like Afghanistan and Iraq then they probably didn't.

And I know it's not going to happen.

 

[JW Frogen]

not gonna happen. I wonder how many South Koreans want us there.

I wonder how many North Koreans whisper I wish the US was here.

 

[mudwhistle]

The only thing clear about him is that is that he doesn't know how to talk to people that have an opposing viewpoint without acting like a total dickwad.

Now that's a myth if I ever saw one. I get along with plenty of Conservatives on this board. Elvis being one of them technically if he a Conservative.

That sounds strangely similar to the "I have Black Friends" statement.

 

[Coyote]

You said: They can go to school, and fill public office.

Both of which they couldn't before Bush....so like I said..you don't know what you're talking about.

You are wrong. In Iraq at least, they could do both before Bush. Now, because of violence targeted at women's schools in some regions....can they still do both?

It's not a matter of siding with anyone, it's a matter of accuracy. Iraq and Afghanistan are as different as America and Italy.

When we first invaded Iraq, the majority of people didn't want us there. Which is why in 2006, the majority of people wanted us gone. Now it's 2009, and I'm willing to bet they still want us gone.

Great post on your part and in this thread.

Yes...and it was the pig-ignorance and naivete of the Bush administration to think that all they had to do was topple Saddam and democracy would flourish. They hadn't a clue that democracy means more than "freedom" and the ability to vote. In order to flourish it needs certain institutions like a well educated populace, and a way of protecting minorities and the weak. Instead - it ushered in a anarchic free-for all with most powerful winning and a medievil religous elite that views women as chattel. I think if they could have brought about their own revolution, in time, it would have been better. You can't export democracy.

 

[elvis]

not gonna happen. I wonder how many South Koreans want us there.

I wonder how many North Koreans whisper I wish the US was here.

Not many. but some of that has to do with how closed off the country is.

 

[elvis]

The only thing clear about him is that is that he doesn't know how to talk to people that have an opposing viewpoint without acting like a total dickwad.

Now that's a myth if I ever saw one. I get along with plenty of Conservatives on this board. Elvis being one of them technically if he a Conservative.

That sounds strangely similar to the "I have Black Friends" statement.

Dogbert's cool. He's just idealistic.

 

[Coyote]

not gonna happen. I wonder how many South Koreans want us there.

I wonder how many North Koreans whisper I wish the US was here.

Not many. but some of that has to do with how closed off the country is.

North Korea is downright creepy....

 

[Modbert]

That sounds strangely similar to the "I have Black Friends" statement.

Not at all. It means I get along with smart Conservatives. Ones like you or PI or JenT not so much.

 

[Modbert]

Dogbert's cool. He's just idealistic.

Not so much about politics anymore but I'm a bit young so give it time.

 

[Immanuel]

651 posts later, Barack Obama is still going to get the Nobel Peace Prize. It hurts, doesn't it rabid right?

Personally, I find this much bitching over something that affects none of us to be a bit sad.

I don't think you have any idea what this is going to affect.

I think it will force Obama to make a bad decision in Afghanistan.

He's gonna try to live up to this bogus prize by becoming even more of a pacifist then he already is.

It will also make him think he's doing the right thing by screwing up our economy.

Another thing it is causing is a series of Presidential directives coming down the pike that affects the lives of every DOD employee, everything from whom you can sleep with, to what kind of things you can openly discuss while at work.

This will make him feel he's on the right track.....that is if the award wasn't bought and paid for by George Soros or other Obama benefactors.

Exactly. Obama has effectively been put in a "Straightjacket"...for now he MUST live up to the expectations of the AWARD...

BS!

He's already won the award. He's a lame duck. Now he can do whatever the F! he wants and screw the NPP committee.

Immie

 

[JW Frogen]

not gonna happen. I wonder how many South Koreans want us there.

I wonder how many North Koreans whisper I wish the US was here.

Not many. but some of that has to do with how closed off the country is.

Funny how every North Korean who gets out prefers the US sponsored south to their little gulag homeland.

Indeed North Korea is the perfect laboratory for viewing the results of the pax Americana or what the world would be like in it's absense.

The same culture with two radically different results.

In the US sphere we have a real democracy, a thriving economy and basic human rights.

In the Chinese sphere of influence we have a literal prison camp writ large, mass starvation, a nuclear weapons drive and a bellicose foreign policy.

 

[DiveCon]

Now that's a myth if I ever saw one. I get along with plenty of Conservatives on this board. Elvis being one of them technically if he a Conservative.

That sounds strangely similar to the "I have Black Friends" statement.

Dogbert's cool. He's just idealistic.

he has time to learn though

 

[elvis]

I wonder how many North Koreans whisper I wish the US was here.

Not many. but some of that has to do with how closed off the country is.

Funny how every North Korean who gets out prefers the US sponsored south to their little gulag homeland.

Indeed North Korea is the perfect laboratory for viewing the results of the pax Americana or what the world would be like in it's absense.

The same culture with two radically different results.

In the US sphere we have a real democracy, a thriving economy and basic human rights.

In the Chinese sphere of influence we have a literal prison camp writ large, mass starvation, a nuclear weapons drive and a bellicose foreign policy.

Yes, certainly the south is better. I just wonder if the south koreans would rather the US leave and let them take care of themselves. Part of me thinks we should have followed MacArthur into china when we had the chance.

 

[elvis]

When China fired into North Korea, that was an act of war on the US.

 

[Modbert]

Yes, certainly the south is better. I just wonder if the south koreans would rather the US leave and let them take care of themselves. Part of me thinks we should have followed MacArthur into china when we had the chance.

MacArthur and Patton ended up being right. It was our leaders here and Europe who basically shouldered this problem to future generations knowing they were doing so.

 

[DiveCon]

Dogbert's cool. He's just idealistic.

Not so much about politics anymore but I'm a bit young so give it time.

LOL
how funny

 

[mudwhistle]

You really don't know what your talking about and your ignorance in lumping Afghanistan and Iraq is particularly glaring.

Women - at the moment, in Afghanistan - have more rights than they did under the Talibon - but - and this is a BIG BUT - those rights are fragile and eroding rapidly.

You figured out a way to agree with me but disagree.

He said women have no rights. So obviously he doesn't know what he's talking about and even you agree with me.

Then you said I didn't know what I was talking about but you said they have rights.

So in effect you should agree with me that he doesn't know what he's talking about....but instead you decided to be on his side.

I guess it all depends on who you want to side with on any issue whether it's right or wrong.

Glad you made that very clear to us.

You said: They can go to school, and fill public office.

Both of which they couldn't before Bush....so like I said..you don't know what you're talking about.

You are wrong. In Iraq at least, they could do both before Bush. Now, because of violence targeted at women's schools in some regions....can they still do both?

It's not a matter of siding with anyone, it's a matter of accuracy. Iraq and Afghanistan are as different as America and Italy.

Yeah.....whatever.

 

[Modbert]

When China fired into North Korea, that was an act of war on the US.

Korean War was a Proxy War like Vietnam was.

 

[JW Frogen]

Yes, certainly the south is better. I just wonder if the south koreans would rather the US leave and let them take care of themselves. Part of me thinks we should have followed MacArthur into china when we had the chance.

Certainly not the generation who experienced the threat of communist domination, the Korean War but many younger South Koreans express this desire, this is the nature of democracy, after years of comfort and freedom some generations are born with no realization of the power and or sacrifice that was required to grant them that Lockean bubble of freedom and prosperity.

If we look at South Korean election results and how they rotate it would seem the country is divided on the issue. Only tyrannies have unity of purpose, this division is to the credit of the US as it reveals she allows real democracy.

If the US did leave however there would quickly come the shock as the North said goodbye to all that "sunshine" and started making military threats at reunification under the "Dear Leader".