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Power the U.S. With Solar Panels!

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And how many solar panels is that?

And how many batteries?


Here's your answer with a picture. Though Elon Musk thinks it could be done with a smaller combined area. As for storing energy, there are other ways besides using batteries to do that.

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I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere around here. The sun isn't putting out any more or less sunlight than usual. It has 11 year cycles where the sun's output fluctuates a little. But not enough to cause HUMAN caused global warming.
 

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You must be crazy. Despite what you may think, anybody who is a member of the green party are just humans like anybody else. I'm sure they enjoy being able to get food in cans. Buying disposable diapers. Drive cars, etc etc. etc. The problem is that being wasteful is not only cheaper, but give the companies who are responsible for it more profit. They say that a rich person would sell you the rope you are going use to hang him with if he thought he would make a buck. The vast majority of companies or corporations are downright evil.

If there is something illegal that they think that they can get away with, they are likely to do it. Because any punishment they might receive is so slight that it is worth taking the risk. Also, companies tend to fold up after they've polluted some area and leave it to the government to clean up. Since the super fund project began around 1980, as of 2019, nearly 30 years later, 431 sites have been cleaned up to a sufficient degree to be removed from the super fund site list. 1344 remain. And more are probably being added all the time.

Despite what you may think, anybody who is a member of the green party are just humans like anybody else.

With less common sense and no understanding of economics. Obviously.
 

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So Texas is shutting down usable coal fired plants as it increases solar and wind because that makes economic sense.

As many as needed.
at astronomical costs
 

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Here's your answer with a picture. Though Elon Musk thinks it could be done with a smaller combined area. As for storing energy, there are other ways besides using batteries to do that.

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I already told you why that little square needs to be at least 4 times bigger and the batteries will cost over 2.5 trillion dollars
 

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I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere around here. The sun isn't putting out any more or less sunlight than usual. It has 11 year cycles where the sun's output fluctuates a little. But not enough to cause HUMAN caused global warming.
Nicola Scafetta, Professor of Oceanography and Atmospheric Physics at the University of Naples Federico II (Italy): “The possible contribution of the sun to the 20th-century global warming greatly depends on the specific solar and climatic records that are adopted for the analysis. The issue is crucial because the current claim of the IPCC that the sun has had a negligible effect on the post-industrial climate warming is only based on global circulation model predictions that are compared against climatic records, which are likely affected by non-climatic warming biases (such as those related to the urbanization), and that are produced using solar forcing functions, which are obtained with total solar irradiance records that present the smallest secular variability (while ignoring the solar studies pointing to a much larger solar variability that show also a different modulation that better correlates with the climatic ones). The consequence of such an approach is that the natural component of climate change is minimized, while the anthropogenic one is maximized. Both solar and climate scientists will find the RAA study useful and timely, as it highlights and addresses this very issue.”

Gregory Henry, Senior Research Scientist in Astronomy, from Tennessee State University’s Center of Excellence in Information Systems (U.S.A.): “During the past three decades, I have acquired highly precise measurements of brightness changes in over 300 Sun-like stars with a fleet of robotic telescopes developed for this purpose. The data show that, as Sun-like stars age, their rotation slows, and thus their magnetic activity and brightness variability decrease. Stars similar in age and mass to our Sun show brightness changes comparable to the Sun’s and would be expected to affect climate change in their own planetary systems.”

Valery M. Fedorov, at the Faculty of Geography in Lomonosov Moscow State University, Russia: “The study of global climate change critically needs an analytical review of scientific studies of solar radiation variations associated with the Earth's orbital motion that could help to determine the role and contributions of solar radiation variations of different physical natures to long-term climate changes. This paper steers the scientific priority in the right direction.”

Richard C. Willson, Principal Investigator in charge of NASA’s ACRIM series of Sun-monitoring Total Solar Irradiance satellite experiments (U.S.A.):
“Contrary to the findings of the IPCC, scientific observations in recent decades have demonstrated that there is no ‘climate change crisis’. The concept that’s devolved into the failed CO2 anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) hypothesis is based on the flawed predictions of imprecise 1980’s vintage global circulation models that have failed to match observational data both since and prior to their fabrication. The Earth’s climate is determined primarily by the radiation it receives from the Sun. The amount of solar radiation the Earth receives has natural variabilities caused by both variations in the intrinsic amount of radiation emitted by the Sun and by variations in the Earth-Sun geometry caused by planetary rotational and orbital variations. Together these natural variations cause the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) at the Earth to vary cyclically on a number of known periodicities that are synchronized with known past climatic changes.”

Hong Yan (晏宏), Professor of Geology and Paleoclimatology at the Institute of Earth Environment and Vice Director of the State Key Laboratory of Loess and Quaternary Geology in Xi’an, China: “Paleoclimate evidence has long been informing us of the large natural variations of local, regional and hemispheric climate on decadal, multidecadal to centennial timescales. This paper will be a great scientific guide on how we can study the broad topic of natural climatic changes from the unique perspective of external forcings by the Sun’s multi-scale and multi-wavelength impacts and responses.”

Ana G. Elias, Director of the Laboratorio de Ionosfera, Atmósfera Neutra y Magnetosfera (LIANM) at the Facultad de Ciencias Exactas y Tecnología in the Universidad Nacional de Tucumán (FACET-UNT), Argentina: “The importance of this work lies in presenting a broader perspective, showing that all the relevant long-term trend climate variability forcings, and not just the anthropogenic ones (as has been done mostly), must be considered. The way in which the role of these forcings is estimated, such as the case of solar and geomagnetic activity, is also important, without minimizing any one in pursuit of another. Even the Earth’s magnetic field could play a role in climate.”

Willie Soon, at the Center for Environmental Research and Earth Sciences (CERES), who also has been researching sun/climate relationships at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (U.S.A.) since 1991: “We know that the Sun is the primary source of energy for the Earth’s atmosphere. So, it always was an obvious potential contributor to recent climate change. My own research over the last 31 years into the behavior of stars that are similar to our Sun, shows that solar variability is the norm, not the exception. For this reason, the Sun’s role in recent climate change should never have been as systematically undermined as it was by the IPCC’s reports. Hopefully, this systematic review of the many unresolved and ongoing challenges and complexities of Sun/climate relationships can help the scientific community return to a more comprehensive and realistic approach to understanding climate change.”
 

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Ever heard of Follow the Sun?
The earth receives far more solar energy than we need or consume.
If the political will existed we could power the world on solar.
Ever read Ringworld? Heard of a Dyson's Sphere?
Imagine the choking at the Energy companies upon hearing all power would now be free.
What material is used to build Ringworld or a Dyson Sphere ?
 

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What material is used to build Ringworld or a Dyson Sphere ?
Since neither, to the best of anyone's knowledge, has ever built one I'm reasonable certain that no one knows the answer to that question.

The material is irrelevant as is your purpose for bringing it up.

We can build a global solar grid now.
That grid could produce more than all of the fossil and nuclear sources combined
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Would do so while reducing human impact on the planet.

SO
What is the relevance of a fictional material?
 

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Since neither, to the best of anyone's knowledge, has ever built one I'm reasonable certain that no one knows the answer to that question.

The material is irrelevant as is your purpose for bringing it up.

We can build a global solar grid now.
That grid could produce more than all of the fossil and nuclear sources combined
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Would do so while reducing human impact on the planet.

SO
What is the relevance of a fictional material?
You are the one who mentioned the fucking things and currently solar does not have the efficiency that fossil fuels have and don't even come close to nuclear. Last who the hell is going to pay for your global solar grid ?
 

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You are the one who mentioned the fucking things and currently solar does not have the efficiency that fossil fuels have and don't even come close to nuclear. Last who the hell is going to pay for your global solar grid ?
Another dumb ass post. Three points here. What is important is not efficiency, but cost per kw. And solar and wind are now the cheapest form of electrical generation. The second is the secondary effects of the generation. Pollution, ect. Wind and solar require no additional fuel once put in place. No pipelines, no railroads, just the grid. The third item is safety. Compared to coal mining the installation and maintenance of renewables is orders of magnitudes safer that coal mining. And, unlike nuclear, there is no danger of them contaminating hundreds of thousands of square miles of land if something goes wrong.

So, solar and wind are less expensive, less polluting, and far safer than fossil fuels or nuclear. And we are going to have to install a lot of new generation. So why not install the least expensive, the least polluting, and the least dangerous.
 

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And solar and wind are now the cheapest form of electrical generation.

Obviously.

That's why Germany pays the highest rates in the world.
More cheap solar and wind, less expensive coal and less expensive nuclear means higher rates.
 

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Obviously.

That's why Germany pays the highest rates in the world.
More cheap solar and wind, less expensive coal and less expensive nuclear means higher rates.
Yet here in the US, even in 'Conservative' Texas, they are shutting down coal plants and installing solar and wind because of economics. LOL We ain't Germany.
 

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The beauty of all of this is that within 30 years the planet will get colder as CO2 emissions increase. Putting an end to this silliness once and for all.
 

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Yet here in the US, even in 'Conservative' Texas, they are shutting down coal plants and installing solar and wind because of economics. LOL We ain't Germany.

Why doesn't cheaper wind and solar result in cheaper electricity in Germany?

Why would a power company shut down a coal plant to receive a federal wind/solar tax credit? LOL!

If you were right, there would be no need for "green" subsidies.
 

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