Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign

montelatici, et al,

You are such a chaotic element.

A colonized people are not part of "another state". The colonized, native people are the people that have been dispossessed of their territory (home) by people that invaded from another territory, in this case, from another continent. A Bantustan (which is in what the Palestinians live in) is not another sovereign country that is able to negotiate anything on an international basis.
(COMMENT)

We are not talking about Bantustan.

No matter how you frame it, the State of Palestine (1988) asked to join the UN.

There is a principle that "Palestine" shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of "Israel" or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.


• On 14 October 1974, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was recognised by the UN General Assembly as the representative of the Palestinian people and granted the right to participate in the deliberations of the General Assembly on the question of Palestine in plenary meetings.

• On 22 November 1974, the PLO was granted non-state observer status, allowing the PLO to participate in all Assembly sessions, as well as in other UN platforms.

• On 15 December 1988, UN General Assembly Resolution 43/177 "acknowledged" the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 1988 and replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" by the designation "Palestine" in the United Nations system.

• On 23 September 2011, President Mahmoud Abbas on behalf of the PLO submitted an application for membership of Palestine in the United Nations. On 29 November 2012, the General Assembly granted Palestine non-member observer state status in United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19.

• On 17 December 2012, UN Chief of Protocol Yeocheol Yoon decided that "the designation of 'State of Palestine' shall be used by the Secretariat in all official United Nations documents".

"1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian are not subjugated. The Arab-Palestinians are contained because the pose a security threat to the entire region.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
(COMMENT)

The "right" of anything, cannot interfere with the "rights" of others. The 'rights" of the Arab-Palestinian cannot interfere with the "rights" of Israel.

In the case of the territory to which the Mandate once applied, the UN adopted a Plan. The Plan established the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." Israel accepted and the Arab-Palestinians rejected the Plan. The Palestinian may not use force to alter the rights of Israel.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
(COMMENT)

First, Article 2(4) of the Charter applies.
Second, Independence was offered to the Palestinians; they declined.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
(COMMENT)

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." [Article 2)4)] Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective selfdefense if an armed attack occurs against a Mem- 10 her of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." (Article 51)

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
(COMMENT)

Palestine nor any of the remaining territory is "non-Self Governing."

I don't know how many times I've mentioned this. Israel was not a colonial power, or an agent of a colonial power, to establish a settlement for the advancement of a colonial power.

Israel was carved-out of the territory surrendered to the Allied Powers, wherein the Ottoman Empire / Republic of Turkey "renounced all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories." This included portions of the Vilayets of Beirut and Syria, as well as the Mutasarrifiyet of Jerusalem.

There was no political subdivision called Palestine and there was no territory surrendered or transferred to the inhabitants of the territory with that regional name.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
(COMMENT)

Yes, quite true. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption the Israeli national unity and the territorial integrity of Israel by the Palestinians is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. (Article 2 of the UN Charter).

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity."
Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
(COMMENT)

Not only does the UN not recognize Palestine (or any territorial name variation) as a Non-Self Governing Territory (NSGT) BUT --- Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples --- Adopted by General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, has not passed into law, and there is no move, at this time to attempt to bring it into law.

Yes, the HoAP should strictly observe and respect Israeli sovereign territory.


Most Respectfully,
R

Cognitive dissonance at its best. I realize that you support colonization of lands inhabited by people you consider inferior, that is the racist in you. Fortunately, most of the world's people no longer think like you do, i.e. they are not racist. Colonialism has been determined to be an evil of the past for almost a century.

Palestine is non-self governing and is not a sovereign state. The UN covers Palestine under other resolutions which determine its status as an occupied territory, therefore de-facto, non-self-governing.

Israel is, of course, a settler colony sponsored by Britain, as even the Zionists themselves admitted, in writing, on many occasions.

"The contemplated trip to the United States of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, the continuation of his efforts while in America to extend the Jewish Agency through his negotiations with the Marshall group, the possibilities of extending Jewish colonization work outside of the present Palestine frontiers, including. Transjordania and certain parts of Syria, were the main features around which the deliberations centered....The proposals submitted by the Zionist Executive were favorably considered by the British government, emphasis was laid on the allocation of land for Jewish colonization in Beisan and in Southern Palestine."


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

There may be some truth to this; but it is not "THE Truth!" It is not a truth based on the compilation of facts. It is, very close to "misinformation."

The PA in the West Bank is illegal. It was put in place and kept in place with US money, arms, and lies.
(COMMENT)

Several factors come together to explain how the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO):
• The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): (1974)

∆ The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, was held in Rabat, Morocco, in October 1974; formally acknowledged the right of the Palestinian people to a separate homeland, but without specifying that its territory was restricted to the West Bank. Most important, the PLO was for the first time officially recognized by all the Arab states as the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.” The Arab heads of state also called for close cooperation between the front-line states and the PLO but prohibited interference by other Arab states in Palestinian affairs.
• The Palestinian Authority (PA): (1993 - nearly Two Decades Later)

∆ Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Negotiator Mahmoud Abbas met at the White House on 13 September 1993, and hammered-out and signed an agreement called the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (AKA: “Oslo Accord”). Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period.

∆ By no means was the US the only source of revenue for the PA.

∆ It was no great secret that in the 2006 Elections, the radical Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) won a majority in the new Palestinian parliament, and was able to claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah. Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity; especially when HAMAS where attacking civilian targets all through the 2005 withdraw.


No one expected a bloodless transition in government. And were not about to support a HAMAS. Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007.


Most Respectfully,
R
Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity;​

It is not the Palestinian's fault that they hamstring themselves by third grade name calling.






But it is as they cant see that they are to blame for their own stupidity. And it is a case of if the cap fits, and boy does the terrorist cap fit these Palestinian scum. How many illegal terrorist weapons have they fired at Israel to date. The Hague has just finished with one war criminal expect them to start on the Palestinians next to level the scores.
 
montelatici, et al,

You are such a chaotic element.

A colonized people are not part of "another state". The colonized, native people are the people that have been dispossessed of their territory (home) by people that invaded from another territory, in this case, from another continent. A Bantustan (which is in what the Palestinians live in) is not another sovereign country that is able to negotiate anything on an international basis.
(COMMENT)

We are not talking about Bantustan.

No matter how you frame it, the State of Palestine (1988) asked to join the UN.

There is a principle that "Palestine" shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of "Israel" or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.


• On 14 October 1974, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was recognised by the UN General Assembly as the representative of the Palestinian people and granted the right to participate in the deliberations of the General Assembly on the question of Palestine in plenary meetings.

• On 22 November 1974, the PLO was granted non-state observer status, allowing the PLO to participate in all Assembly sessions, as well as in other UN platforms.

• On 15 December 1988, UN General Assembly Resolution 43/177 "acknowledged" the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 1988 and replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" by the designation "Palestine" in the United Nations system.

• On 23 September 2011, President Mahmoud Abbas on behalf of the PLO submitted an application for membership of Palestine in the United Nations. On 29 November 2012, the General Assembly granted Palestine non-member observer state status in United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19.

• On 17 December 2012, UN Chief of Protocol Yeocheol Yoon decided that "the designation of 'State of Palestine' shall be used by the Secretariat in all official United Nations documents".

"1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian are not subjugated. The Arab-Palestinians are contained because the pose a security threat to the entire region.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
(COMMENT)

The "right" of anything, cannot interfere with the "rights" of others. The 'rights" of the Arab-Palestinian cannot interfere with the "rights" of Israel.

In the case of the territory to which the Mandate once applied, the UN adopted a Plan. The Plan established the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." Israel accepted and the Arab-Palestinians rejected the Plan. The Palestinian may not use force to alter the rights of Israel.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
(COMMENT)

First, Article 2(4) of the Charter applies.
Second, Independence was offered to the Palestinians; they declined.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
(COMMENT)

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." [Article 2)4)] Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective selfdefense if an armed attack occurs against a Mem- 10 her of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." (Article 51)

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
(COMMENT)

Palestine nor any of the remaining territory is "non-Self Governing."

I don't know how many times I've mentioned this. Israel was not a colonial power, or an agent of a colonial power, to establish a settlement for the advancement of a colonial power.

Israel was carved-out of the territory surrendered to the Allied Powers, wherein the Ottoman Empire / Republic of Turkey "renounced all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories." This included portions of the Vilayets of Beirut and Syria, as well as the Mutasarrifiyet of Jerusalem.

There was no political subdivision called Palestine and there was no territory surrendered or transferred to the inhabitants of the territory with that regional name.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
(COMMENT)

Yes, quite true. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption the Israeli national unity and the territorial integrity of Israel by the Palestinians is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. (Article 2 of the UN Charter).

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity."
Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
(COMMENT)

Not only does the UN not recognize Palestine (or any territorial name variation) as a Non-Self Governing Territory (NSGT) BUT --- Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples --- Adopted by General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, has not passed into law, and there is no move, at this time to attempt to bring it into law.

Yes, the HoAP should strictly observe and respect Israeli sovereign territory.


Most Respectfully,
R

Cognitive dissonance at its best. I realize that you support colonization of lands inhabited by people you consider inferior, that is the racist in you. Fortunately, most of the world's people no longer think like you do, i.e. they are not racist. Colonialism has been determined to be an evil of the past for almost a century.

Palestine is non-self governing and is not a sovereign state. The UN covers Palestine under other resolutions which determine its status as an occupied territory, therefore de-facto, non-self-governing.

Israel is, of course, a settler colony sponsored by Britain, as even the Zionists themselves admitted, in writing, on many occasions.

"The contemplated trip to the United States of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, the continuation of his efforts while in America to extend the Jewish Agency through his negotiations with the Marshall group, the possibilities of extending Jewish colonization work outside of the present Palestine frontiers, including. Transjordania and certain parts of Syria, were the main features around which the deliberations centered....The proposals submitted by the Zionist Executive were favorably considered by the British government, emphasis was laid on the allocation of land for Jewish colonization in Beisan and in Southern Palestine."


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ






Look to yourself for an example of an armed aggressive colonist and who saw the natives as inferior in every way. And you were told to go out and convert the lands to Catholicism or kill the natives, which you did with great delight. Showing that catholicism had not changed from when it was the roman empire and worshipped pagan gods.
 
How should they behave? Should they behave like the Kurds in Turkey? Should they behave like the non-white South Africans did under Apartheid? Should they behave like the French Resistance? What resistance group do you think the Palestinians should imitate to improve their chances of success. Do you have one in mind?





The ones that did not deliberately target children for the propaganda value they generated, but then you would have nothing to masturbate over would you.
 
A colonized people are not part of "another state". The colonized, native people are the people that have been dispossessed of their territory (home) by people that invaded from another territory, in this case, from another continent. A Bantustan (which is in what the Palestinians live in) is not another sovereign country that is able to negotiate anything on an international basis.

"1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity."

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples





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Palestinians have no choice but to slaughter innocent people. What do you expect them to do? After all, they're dealing with those evil Joooos.

It's a pretty simple question. What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate.
 
We understand, they have no choice but to slaughter innocent people while trying to establish the Islamic Caliphate of Palestine. How should we expect them to behave? As do other Islamic terrorists.

Hamas = ISIS
 
We understand, the have no choice but to slaughter innocent people while trying to establish the Islamic Caliphate of Palestine.

Hamas = ISIS

Putting aside the fact that ISIS has sworn to destroy Hamas, can you answer the simple question posed to you?

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
 
We understand, the have no choice but to slaughter innocent people while trying to establish the Islamic Caliphate of Palestine.

Hamas = ISIS

Putting aside the fact that ISIS has sworn to destroy Hamas, can you answer the simple question posed to you?

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
You might have missed it but the arabs-moslems in both Gaza and the West Bank have "elected" rulers. Those rulers are antagonistic to one another as they are in competition for vast wealth to be accumulated from a dedicated welfare scam. Both of those competing Islamic terrorist franchises are emulating the various other Islamist terrorist failed States that litter the islamist middle east.

Both of the Islamist terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank are fighting for one principle: Islamist gee-had.
 
Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria
 
Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria

Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
 
Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria

Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
What foreign rule are the Arabs-Moslems occupying Gaza and the West Bank subject to when both or those Islamic terrorist franchises have elected Islamist terrorists in political office?

Again, you backstroke. Are you hoping to join the Islamic swim team?
 
Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria

Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
What foreign rule are the Arabs-Moslems occupying Gaza and the West Bank subject to when both or those Islamic terrorist franchises have elected Islamist terrorists in political office?

Again, you backstroke. Are you hoping to join the Islamic swim team?
Is deflection all you have?
 
It really doesn't matter what 2/3 of the Arab Muslims in Israel want. They're not in charge of enough to make a difference. They've proven they simply aren't able to handle the responsibility of governing.
 
It's a pretty simple question. What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate.

How about Quebec in her wish to secede from Canada?
 
Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria

Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
What foreign rule are the Arabs-Moslems occupying Gaza and the West Bank subject to when both or those Islamic terrorist franchises have elected Islamist terrorists in political office?

Again, you backstroke. Are you hoping to join the Islamic swim team?
Is deflection all you have?
No. Are you having continued problems paying attention?

What foreign rule is in place in either of the Islamic terrorist enclaves of Gaza or Fatah'istan?
 
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Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria

Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
Of course all the Israeli propagandists missed the part where Britain and the Zionists openly talked about their colonial project in Palestine.
 
montelatici, et al,

Don't answer this. This is a very old propaganda trick question!

The Black-or-White fallacy or Black-White fallacy is a False Dilemma Fallacy that limits you unfairly to only two choices, as if you were made to choose between black and white.
Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
(COMMENT)

The Arab-Palestinians can be unique. There is no requirement to emulate anyone.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
montelatici, et al,

Don't answer this. This is a very old propaganda trick question!

The Black-or-White fallacy or Black-White fallacy is a False Dilemma Fallacy that limits you unfairly to only two choices, as if you were made to choose between black and white.
Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?
(COMMENT)

The Arab-Palestinians can be unique. There is no requirement to emulate anyone.

Most Respectfully,
R

The only propaganda is coming from you Rocco. There have been 100s if not 1000s of groups that have sought to be rid of their foreign rulers. Not just two choices. I am asking what group they should emulate that would improve their chances of success at becoming free of Jewish rule.
 
It's a pretty simple question. What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate.

How about Quebec in her wish to secede from Canada?

So, do you think that if the Palestinians voted to secede from Israeli rule, the Israelis would leave the West Bank/East Jerusalem and surrender control of the air space, territorial sea and land borders of Gaza. And leave the tax collecting to the Palestinians.
 

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