Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign

[Boston1]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There may be some truth to this; but it is not "THE Truth!" It is not a truth based on the compilation of facts. It is, very close to "misinformation."

The PA in the West Bank is illegal. It was put in place and kept in place with US money, arms, and lies.

(COMMENT)

Several factors come together to explain how the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO):

• The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): (1974)

∆ The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, was held in Rabat, Morocco, in October 1974; formally acknowledged the right of the Palestinian people to a separate homeland, but without specifying that its territory was restricted to the West Bank. Most important, the PLO was for the first time officially recognized by all the Arab states as the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.” The Arab heads of state also called for close cooperation between the front-line states and the PLO but prohibited interference by other Arab states in Palestinian affairs.
​

• The Palestinian Authority (PA): (1993 - nearly Two Decades Later)

∆ Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Negotiator Mahmoud Abbas met at the White House on 13 September 1993, and hammered-out and signed an agreement called the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (AKA: “Oslo Accord”). Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period.

∆ By no means was the US the only source of revenue for the PA.

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∆ It was no great secret that in the 2006 Elections, the radical Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) won a majority in the new Palestinian parliament, and was able to claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah. Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity; especially when HAMAS where attacking civilian targets all through the 2005 withdraw.

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No one expected a bloodless transition in government. And were not about to support a HAMAS. Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007.

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Most Respectfully,
R

I am sure you are using a neutral source. LOL

actually he does in general use neutral sources. And while we don't always agree I at least try and investigate the points being made, particularly in regards to Rocco's posts which tend to be very informative.

When and if I find myself in disagreement with someone on this thing first order of business is to go and actually check those sources instead of just assuming they are not to your satisfaction.

 

[montelatici]

There is no way to check the source of the data. They are screen shots, they hide the source of the data. It is the usual Zionist/Hasbara technique. But, you knew that.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, come on! You guys are always trying to blame someone else for Arab-Palestinians mistakes.

OK, so?

What does that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

The US is not the only country contributing. And it was the highest contributing donor.

The Palestinians determined who would establish and control the government. There was not one single US boot; but several thousand Palestinian fighting amongst themselves.

Any conflict between the faction was a conflict between Palestinians. Don't blame the US for the inability of the Arab-Palestinians to put together a coherent government.

And it was not the Americans fault that the Arab-Palestinians didn't execute the Basic Law when it came to establishing a new election.

"Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007."

Israel controlled the Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controlled the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by land, air or sea before it removed the settlers and afterwards. A blockade by any other name. You are such a propagandist.

(COMMENT)

The ISraelis did have a surveillance program, especially for the illicit import and export of SALW. And it was not the Israelis fault that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) continued to pose an international threat. The post 2009 security enhancement were a direct result to the spike in terrorist attacks.

Tracking HAMAS Attacks between 1988 and the 2013
as it escalates toward 2014​

∆∆ Global Terrorism Database

• A spike in HoAP Activity in leading up to Operation Rainbow (May 18–23, 2004) – IDF counter-terrorist operation; and Operation Days of Penitence (30 September – 16 October 2004) – An IDF operation conducted in northern Gaza Strip.
• A spike in HoAP Activity resulting in Operation Just Reward (12 July – 14 August 2006) Israeli counterattack.
• A spike in HoAP Activity in leading up to Operation Pillar of Defense (14–21 November 2012) - In response to over a hundred rocket attacks on southern Israeli cities.
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It is --- what it is. The Hostile Arab-Palestinians increase their lethal activity and the consequence is that the countermeasures are tightened. Each operation that occurred was in direct response to an action taken by HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

There is no way to check the source of the data. They are screen shots, they hide the source of the data. It is the usual Zionist/Hasbara technique. But, you knew that.

The screen captures are from the Global Terrorism Database. It's a simple matter to find the source.... excepting you goofy converts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, come on! You guys are always trying to blame someone else for Arab-Palestinians mistakes.

OK, so?

What does that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

The US is not the only country contributing. And it was the highest contributing donor.

The Palestinians determined who would establish and control the government. There was not one single US boot; but several thousand Palestinian fighting amongst themselves.

Any conflict between the faction was a conflict between Palestinians. Don't blame the US for the inability of the Arab-Palestinians to put together a coherent government.

And it was not the Americans fault that the Arab-Palestinians didn't execute the Basic Law when it came to establishing a new election.

"Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007."

Israel controlled the Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controlled the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by land, air or sea before it removed the settlers and afterwards. A blockade by any other name. You are such a propagandist.

(COMMENT)

The ISraelis did have a surveillance program, especially for the illicit import and export of SALW. And it was not the Israelis fault that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) continued to pose an international threat. The post 2009 security enhancement were a direct result to the spike in terrorist attacks.

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Tracking HAMAS Attacks between 1988 and the 2013
as it escalates toward 2014​

∆∆ Global Terrorism Database

• A spike in HoAP Activity in leading up to Operation Rainbow (May 18–23, 2004) – IDF counter-terrorist operation; and Operation Days of Penitence (30 September – 16 October 2004) – An IDF operation conducted in northern Gaza Strip.
• A spike in HoAP Activity resulting in Operation Just Reward (12 July – 14 August 2006) Israeli counterattack.
• A spike in HoAP Activity in leading up to Operation Pillar of Defense (14–21 November 2012) - In response to over a hundred rocket attacks on southern Israeli cities.
​

It is --- what it is. The Hostile Arab-Palestinians increase their lethal activity and the consequence is that the countermeasures are tightened. Each operation that occurred was in direct response to an action taken by HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians determined who would establish and control the government. There was not one single US boot; but several thousand Palestinian fighting amongst themselves.​

You need to keep up. Start @ 6:40

Uploaded on May 18, 2007

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

What nonsense!!! Your remark is just another example of the Arab Palestinians not accepting the consequences for their action or inaction; depending upon your perspective.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Interesting.

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

(COMMENT)

This is just another case that suggests that Arab-Palestinians are unable to establish a stable government.

Very few people really expects the Arab-Palestinian to follow any type of legal transfer of power. If Mahmoud Abbas is not President, then who. Remember, Khaled Mashal, is in exile. They would have to smuggle him into the country.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are being silly. You are continuing to exhibit your racist persona. Of course a people under occupation cannot establish a stable government or guarantee any type of transfer of power. The Vichy government was only stable because the Germans enforced stability, as an example.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinian Government in Ramallah has resources and sufficient control to organize new elections well within their capacity.

They rather are satisfied with what they have. Otherwise they would change the government. While the Arab Palestinian may say they want a new President; but, they don't really want to expend any effort on that goal. It is a form of negative self-determination. We've seen this before with the Arab-Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

The PA in the West Bank is illegal. It was put in place and kept in place with US money, arms, and lies.

At the Palestinians demands, or don't you want that to be known

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There may be some truth to this; but it is not "THE Truth!" It is not a truth based on the compilation of facts. It is, very close to "misinformation."

The PA in the West Bank is illegal. It was put in place and kept in place with US money, arms, and lies.

(COMMENT)

Several factors come together to explain how the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO):

• The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): (1974)

∆ The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, was held in Rabat, Morocco, in October 1974; formally acknowledged the right of the Palestinian people to a separate homeland, but without specifying that its territory was restricted to the West Bank. Most important, the PLO was for the first time officially recognized by all the Arab states as the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.” The Arab heads of state also called for close cooperation between the front-line states and the PLO but prohibited interference by other Arab states in Palestinian affairs.
​

• The Palestinian Authority (PA): (1993 - nearly Two Decades Later)

∆ Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Negotiator Mahmoud Abbas met at the White House on 13 September 1993, and hammered-out and signed an agreement called the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (AKA: “Oslo Accord”). Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period.

∆ By no means was the US the only source of revenue for the PA.

View attachment 68673
​

∆ It was no great secret that in the 2006 Elections, the radical Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) won a majority in the new Palestinian parliament, and was able to claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah. Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity; especially when HAMAS where attacking civilian targets all through the 2005 withdraw.

View attachment 68676​

No one expected a bloodless transition in government. And were not about to support a HAMAS. Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007.

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Most Respectfully,
R

OK, so?

What does that have to do with my post?

It proves you wrong, and every time a post proves you wrong you ask the same stupid dumb question.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There may be some truth to this; but it is not "THE Truth!" It is not a truth based on the compilation of facts. It is, very close to "misinformation."

The PA in the West Bank is illegal. It was put in place and kept in place with US money, arms, and lies.

(COMMENT)

Several factors come together to explain how the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO):

• The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): (1974)

∆ The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, was held in Rabat, Morocco, in October 1974; formally acknowledged the right of the Palestinian people to a separate homeland, but without specifying that its territory was restricted to the West Bank. Most important, the PLO was for the first time officially recognized by all the Arab states as the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.” The Arab heads of state also called for close cooperation between the front-line states and the PLO but prohibited interference by other Arab states in Palestinian affairs.
​

• The Palestinian Authority (PA): (1993 - nearly Two Decades Later)

∆ Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Negotiator Mahmoud Abbas met at the White House on 13 September 1993, and hammered-out and signed an agreement called the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (AKA: “Oslo Accord”). Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period.

∆ By no means was the US the only source of revenue for the PA.

View attachment 68673
​

∆ It was no great secret that in the 2006 Elections, the radical Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) won a majority in the new Palestinian parliament, and was able to claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah. Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity; especially when HAMAS where attacking civilian targets all through the 2005 withdraw.

View attachment 68676​

No one expected a bloodless transition in government. And were not about to support a HAMAS. Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007.

View attachment 68678 View attachment 68677​

Most Respectfully,
R

I am sure you are using a neutral source. LOL

Unlike your partisan sources eh! freddy

 

[Phoenall]

There is no way to check the source of the data. They are screen shots, they hide the source of the data. It is the usual Zionist/Hasbara technique. But, you knew that.

Yet the source is so easy to find even my 7 year old grand daughter knew where it was. A clue the source is highlighted in red

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There may be some truth to this; but it is not "THE Truth!" It is not a truth based on the compilation of facts. It is, very close to "misinformation."

The PA in the West Bank is illegal. It was put in place and kept in place with US money, arms, and lies.

(COMMENT)

Several factors come together to explain how the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO):

• The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): (1974)

∆ The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, was held in Rabat, Morocco, in October 1974; formally acknowledged the right of the Palestinian people to a separate homeland, but without specifying that its territory was restricted to the West Bank. Most important, the PLO was for the first time officially recognized by all the Arab states as the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.” The Arab heads of state also called for close cooperation between the front-line states and the PLO but prohibited interference by other Arab states in Palestinian affairs.
​

• The Palestinian Authority (PA): (1993 - nearly Two Decades Later)

∆ Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Negotiator Mahmoud Abbas met at the White House on 13 September 1993, and hammered-out and signed an agreement called the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (AKA: “Oslo Accord”). Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period.

∆ By no means was the US the only source of revenue for the PA.

View attachment 68673
​

∆ It was no great secret that in the 2006 Elections, the radical Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) won a majority in the new Palestinian parliament, and was able to claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah. Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity; especially when HAMAS where attacking civilian targets all through the 2005 withdraw.

View attachment 68676​

No one expected a bloodless transition in government. And were not about to support a HAMAS. Remember the land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt did not start until 2007.

View attachment 68678 View attachment 68677​

Most Respectfully,
R

Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity;​

It is not the Palestinian's fault that they hamstring themselves by third grade name calling.

 

[Boston1]

The Arab Muslims in Israel, hamstring themselves with their own behavior. Even my Arab friends say they are the pariah of the middle east.

 

[montelatici]

How should they behave? Should they behave like the Kurds in Turkey? Should they behave like the non-white South Africans did under Apartheid? Should they behave like the French Resistance? What resistance group do you think the Palestinians should imitate to improve their chances of success. Do you have one in mind?

 

[Hollie]

How should they behave? Should they behave like the Kurds in Turkey? Should they behave like the non-white South Africans did under Apartheid? Should they behave like the French Resistance? What resistance group do you think the Palestinians should imitate to improve their chances of success. Do you have one in mind?

The lack of success (success being measured by social, economic, political advantage), on the part of arabs / moslems is a result of their own incompetence and ineptitudes. Islamo-fascism and the practice of a societal structure that enforces apartheid is what poisons the Islamist mind.

How does anyone define a successful Islamist society when so many of them are nothing but polluted backwaters of economic malaise, societal regression and intellectual dead-ends?

Islamic decay and islamo-apartheid is the fault of Islamist ideology.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Palestinian has to ask: When do we as a population accept responsibility for for our inept involvement in the problems experienced?

Everyone know knew then, just as they know now, that the US cannot openly deal with a designated terrorist activity;

It is not the Palestinian's fault that they hamstring themselves by third grade name calling.

(COMMENT)

The generalized inability of the Palestinian People to accept responsibility for their actions and behaviors results in a series of consequences that lead to insecurity. It is not a matter of being weak, powerless, or insufficiently enabled; but the loss of knowledge,skills and abilities to effectively interact that earns the respect of others. The Arab Palestinian has lost a sense of worth in their values and importance. And they have replaced this loss with a radicalized version of Islam and Jihadism in an effort to substitute Hostile Activity for goal achievements and successes. The Palestinians continuously project their image as victims of racial discrimination, intolerance, or narrow-mindedness, and injury resulting from lethal responses they - themselves - triggered. The Arab-Palestinian has decided that they should control all the territory, "from its river to its sea," and childishly feel unable to get the recognition and respect they deserve and feel that others own them; and not for what work they have built or accomplished. They are under the mistaken impression that it is more important that they be given (not that they earned anything) territorial control and have the right to overrun the most prosperous and developed nation in the region (replacing it with a People that are the least developed in the region). They are a people that expend all their resources towards hostility and have successive generations that are parasitic and near totally dependent on donor contributions.

When the Arab Palestinians openly say that they "will not relinquish an inch or any part of it - for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures," what they are saying it that they will not allow for the Jewish National Home to remain established. This is not "third grade name calling" but rather a dedicated threat and policy to use force to achieve what they clearly do not have the knowledge, skills and abilities to attain through diplomatic, political, economic or commercial progress and ventures.

IT IS absolutely a self-inflicted wound they have. --- IT is a very clear case --- the: "Palestinian's fault that they hamstring themselves." When the Palestinians People openly acknowledge a growing incitement to violence and glorification of terrorism, that is self identification as a terrorist. When a Palestinian terrorist opens fire on cars stuck in a traffic jam in Gush Etzion, killing an Israeli, an American tourist, and a Palestinian, --- and wounding seven others. That is a demonstration of the will to engage in terrorism. Whether we talk about rocket and mortar fire, the rash of Palestinians stabbing attacks of late, the American Eitam and his wife Naama that were ambushed and killed by Palestinian gunmen as they drove in the West Bank on last October; --- or --- the Munich Massacre of 1972, the hijacking, piracy, suicide bombings, etc, it is a behavioral history established over a considerable period --- it is not name calling. It is actually the Arab-Palestinian crying out to be recognized as a terrorist culture to be reckoned with.

3. We will not, in any way, recognize the legitimacy of the occupation. This is a principled, political, and moral position. We do not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, nor do we acknowledge “Israel” or the legality of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long it remains, and Allah willing, this will not be long. All that has occurred in Palestine, including its occupation, settlements, Judaization, the changing of its landmarks and the falsification of facts in its regard is wrong and must end, Allah willing.

4. The liberation of Palestine is a national, domestic, and legitimate duty. It is the responsibility of the Palestinians, the Arabs, and the Islamic nation. It is also a humanitarian responsibility in accordance with the conditions of truth and justice.

5. Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights. This battle must, of course, be accompanied by all forms of political, diplomatic, media, national, and legal resistance, as well as the investment of the entire nation’s energies and the summoning of all the elements of strength we possess.

"Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State. Every State shall settle its international disputes with other States by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered." (Excerpts from the: Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

A colonized people are not part of "another state". The colonized, native people are the people that have been dispossessed of their territory (home) by people that invaded from another territory, in this case, from another continent. A Bantustan (which is in what the Palestinians live in) is not another sovereign country that is able to negotiate anything on an international basis.

"1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity."

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

 

[Roudy]

Are people suprised that the Palestinian people prefer to be ruled by the ISIS of Gaza? After decades of brainwashing and indoctrination with hatred and Islamic Nazism, why are people shocked that Palestinians prefer to be under a Jihadist organization designated as terrorist by most of the civilized world.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

You are such a chaotic element.

A colonized people are not part of "another state". The colonized, native people are the people that have been dispossessed of their territory (home) by people that invaded from another territory, in this case, from another continent. A Bantustan (which is in what the Palestinians live in) is not another sovereign country that is able to negotiate anything on an international basis.

(COMMENT)

We are not talking about Bantustan.

No matter how you frame it, the State of Palestine (1988) asked to join the UN.

There is a principle that "Palestine" shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of "Israel" or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

• On 14 October 1974, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was recognised by the UN General Assembly as the representative of the Palestinian people and granted the right to participate in the deliberations of the General Assembly on the question of Palestine in plenary meetings.

• On 22 November 1974, the PLO was granted non-state observer status, allowing the PLO to participate in all Assembly sessions, as well as in other UN platforms.

• On 15 December 1988, UN General Assembly Resolution 43/177 "acknowledged" the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 1988 and replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" by the designation "Palestine" in the United Nations system.

• On 23 September 2011, President Mahmoud Abbas on behalf of the PLO submitted an application for membership of Palestine in the United Nations. On 29 November 2012, the General Assembly granted Palestine non-member observer state status in United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19.

• On 17 December 2012, UN Chief of Protocol Yeocheol Yoon decided that "the designation of 'State of Palestine' shall be used by the Secretariat in all official United Nations documents".
​

"1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian are not subjugated. The Arab-Palestinians are contained because the pose a security threat to the entire region.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

(COMMENT)

The "right" of anything, cannot interfere with the "rights" of others. The 'rights" of the Arab-Palestinian cannot interfere with the "rights" of Israel.

In the case of the territory to which the Mandate once applied, the UN adopted a Plan. The Plan established the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." Israel accepted and the Arab-Palestinians rejected the Plan. The Palestinian may not use force to alter the rights of Israel.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

(COMMENT)

First, Article 2(4) of the Charter applies.
Second, Independence was offered to the Palestinians; they declined.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

(COMMENT)

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." [Article 2)4)] Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective selfdefense if an armed attack occurs against a Mem- 10 her of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." (Article 51)

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

(COMMENT)

Palestine nor any of the remaining territory is "non-Self Governing."

I don't know how many times I've mentioned this. Israel was not a colonial power, or an agent of a colonial power, to establish a settlement for the advancement of a colonial power.

Israel was carved-out of the territory surrendered to the Allied Powers, wherein the Ottoman Empire / Republic of Turkey "renounced all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories." This included portions of the Vilayets of Beirut and Syria, as well as the Mutasarrifiyet of Jerusalem.

There was no political subdivision called Palestine and there was no territory surrendered or transferred to the inhabitants of the territory with that regional name.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

Yes, quite true. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption the Israeli national unity and the territorial integrity of Israel by the Palestinians is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. (Article 2 of the UN Charter).

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity."
Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

(COMMENT)

Not only does the UN not recognize Palestine (or any territorial name variation) as a Non-Self Governing Territory (NSGT) BUT --- Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples --- Adopted by General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, has not passed into law, and there is no move, at this time to attempt to bring it into law.

Yes, the HoAP should strictly observe and respect Israeli sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

montelatici, et al,

You are such a chaotic element.

A colonized people are not part of "another state". The colonized, native people are the people that have been dispossessed of their territory (home) by people that invaded from another territory, in this case, from another continent. A Bantustan (which is in what the Palestinians live in) is not another sovereign country that is able to negotiate anything on an international basis.

(COMMENT)

We are not talking about Bantustan.

No matter how you frame it, the State of Palestine (1988) asked to join the UN.

There is a principle that "Palestine" shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of "Israel" or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

• On 14 October 1974, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was recognised by the UN General Assembly as the representative of the Palestinian people and granted the right to participate in the deliberations of the General Assembly on the question of Palestine in plenary meetings.

• On 22 November 1974, the PLO was granted non-state observer status, allowing the PLO to participate in all Assembly sessions, as well as in other UN platforms.

• On 15 December 1988, UN General Assembly Resolution 43/177 "acknowledged" the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 1988 and replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" by the designation "Palestine" in the United Nations system.

• On 23 September 2011, President Mahmoud Abbas on behalf of the PLO submitted an application for membership of Palestine in the United Nations. On 29 November 2012, the General Assembly granted Palestine non-member observer state status in United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19.

• On 17 December 2012, UN Chief of Protocol Yeocheol Yoon decided that "the designation of 'State of Palestine' shall be used by the Secretariat in all official United Nations documents".
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"1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian are not subjugated. The Arab-Palestinians are contained because the pose a security threat to the entire region.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

(COMMENT)

The "right" of anything, cannot interfere with the "rights" of others. The 'rights" of the Arab-Palestinian cannot interfere with the "rights" of Israel.

In the case of the territory to which the Mandate once applied, the UN adopted a Plan. The Plan established the "Steps Preparatory to Independence." Israel accepted and the Arab-Palestinians rejected the Plan. The Palestinian may not use force to alter the rights of Israel.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

(COMMENT)

First, Article 2(4) of the Charter applies.
Second, Independence was offered to the Palestinians; they declined.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

(COMMENT)

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." [Article 2)4)] Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective selfdefense if an armed attack occurs against a Mem- 10 her of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." (Article 51)

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

(COMMENT)

Palestine nor any of the remaining territory is "non-Self Governing."

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I don't know how many times I've mentioned this. Israel was not a colonial power, or an agent of a colonial power, to establish a settlement for the advancement of a colonial power.

Israel was carved-out of the territory surrendered to the Allied Powers, wherein the Ottoman Empire / Republic of Turkey "renounced all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories." This included portions of the Vilayets of Beirut and Syria, as well as the Mutasarrifiyet of Jerusalem.

There was no political subdivision called Palestine and there was no territory surrendered or transferred to the inhabitants of the territory with that regional name.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

Yes, quite true. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption the Israeli national unity and the territorial integrity of Israel by the Palestinians is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. (Article 2 of the UN Charter).

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity."
Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

(COMMENT)

Not only does the UN not recognize Palestine (or any territorial name variation) as a Non-Self Governing Territory (NSGT) BUT --- Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples --- Adopted by General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, has not passed into law, and there is no move, at this time to attempt to bring it into law.

Yes, the HoAP should strictly observe and respect Israeli sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well said!

 

[docmauser1]

How should they behave? Should they behave like the Kurds in Turkey? Should they behave like the non-white South Africans did under Apartheid? Should they behave like the French Resistance? What resistance group do you think the Palestinians should imitate to improve their chances of success. Do you have one in mind?

They should get a life and a job, of course.

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians have no choice but to slaughter innocent people. What do you expect them to do? After all, they're dealing with those evil Joooos.