Poll: Should the Govt provide every American with free guns?

[JusticeHammer]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

....hahahahha = so your argument is not for common sense -but with something written by imperfect humans 200 hundred years ago.....

Common sense tells me the govt should only perform the very limited tasks the Constitution empowers it to do.

free healthcare isn’t one of those tasks.

...guns designed to kill--healthcare to help --huge difference that you did not try to refute because you know you can't
..sure give free killing machines to people--that makes sense

More sense than any retarded dem makes.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Where is the Well Regulated Militia?

Quiet and stealthy until needed.

Non-existent.

Like your brain

 

[Aldo Raine]

No more "free" shit. I have 27 firearms. Inherited 22, bought 5.

Guy doesn't want anyone else to get a free gun after he gets 22 free ones for himself!

So you noticed the irony there as well!

 

[2aguy]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

....hahahahha = so your argument is not for common sense -but with something written by imperfect humans 200 hundred years ago.....

Common sense tells me the govt should only perform the very limited tasks the Constitution empowers it to do.

free healthcare isn’t one of those tasks.

...guns designed to kill--healthcare to help --huge difference that you did not try to refute because you know you can't
..sure give free killing machines to people--that makes sense

Life saving tools......more lives are saved by guns in the hands of good people both civilian and professional, than are taken with illegal guns.......

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder.....

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...

With what you believe....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....

With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

With what you believe, how do you explain that?


With what you believe, how do you explain that?

Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?

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Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[daveman]

Wrong. See my post above.

Is this the post?

Q. "Why do you idiots always bring up driving as some kind of parallel to owning guns?"

A. For the simple reason that guns and cars kill people. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes irresponsibly and sometimes accidentally. There are laws which enforce responsible ownership and operation of a car. Of course there are gun laws, but they are always objected to by people like you, with the "shall not infringe" meme. It is not a Right. Not only because Scalia wrote so, but history as far back as Plato concluded that some people should never own an arm (BTW, notice there is not one part of the 2nd where a gun is noted).

That is significant, since other arms (gravity knives, push button knives, nonchucks, fully automatic firearms, cane swords, etc. etc. are controlled, or outlawed.

If so it has zero to do with my post, less than zero as a matter of fact, it addresses nothing in my post...and why are you quoting plato? our constitutional democracy was established to correct the deficiencies in the greek form of democracy i.e. we made sure the platophiles of the world could not determine for us what is right for us.

Leftists feel compelled to tell other people how to live their lives. Note they have no particular expertise or training to merit this feeling. On the contrary; most of them are too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instruction printed on the heel.

So they seek to impose their will with threat of government violence -- because they can't make rational arguments in support of their position.

No rational person chooses to support leftism. They have to be forced into it.

 

[daveman]

I got 45 gunz, don't need govt in my life.

That's what David Koresh believed, guess what happened when gov't came into his life?

So, you believe anyone with 45 guns should be killed by government?

.

He lacks the guts to admit it, but yes, he does.

 

[daveman]

It's not likely anyone owning a gun legally kills another with that gun.

I know this is hard for you to accept -- your programming has been very successful -- but 99.99+% of legal gun owners didn't murder anyone yesterday.

All your unoriginal ideas for "gun control" do nothing about criminals. You don't actually care about criminals killing people.

No, you want law-abiding people disarmed so they can't resist leftist tyranny.

But your programming won't let you see that.

Oh bullshit. Why not just post, "shall not infringe" and join the rest of the sheep?

Not everyone driving a car kills pedestrians who have the right away in a crosswalk. Do you believe Involuntary Manslaughter ought to be struck from the Vehicle or Penal Codes since it only applies to someone who is negligent and kills someone?

Since all of us who drive must have a license to do so, is our liberty infringed by such a law?

As for your typical lie, phrased within an ad hominem, I DO NOT want law-abiding, sober and sane citizens the right to own a firearm.

Violent criminals, persons found to have been civilly detained as a danger to themselves or others, and those found to be addicted to alcohol or illict drugs are those cited in Heller by Scalia to historically be denied the so called Right to keep and bear arms.

Why do you idiots always bring up driving as some kind of parallel to owning guns?

Owning guns is in the Constitution. Driving is not -- and as long as I stay off public roads, I can drive legally without a licence or insurance.

And quit bitching about ad hominem, you flaming hypocrite.

Q. "Why do you idiots always bring up driving as some kind of parallel to owning guns?"

A. For the simple reason that guns and cars kill people. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes irresponsibly and sometimes accidentally. There are laws which enforce responsible ownership and operation of a car. Of course there are gun laws, but they are always objected to by people like you, with the "shall not infringe" meme. It is not a Right. Not only because Scalia wrote so, but history as far back as Plato concluded that some people should never own an arm (BTW, notice there is not one part of the 2nd where a gun is noted).

That is significant, since other arms (gravity knives, push button knives, nonchucks, fully automatic firearms, cane swords, etc. etc. are controlled, or outlawed.

Everytime you post stupid stuff like this I laugh, because you prove how stupid you are.

Every time you post, must I remind you to get a therapist, and to seek out an anger management group?

Stop talking to yourself.

 

[daveman]

Where is the Well Regulated Militia?

Quiet and stealthy until needed.

Non-existent.

The members of the militia say otherwise.

More than 500 sign up for Bedford Militia at Saturday’s muster call

Second Amendment supporters unite at militia muster call in Floyd County

 

[LuckyDuck]

Since the Dimsocialists have invented the right to free healthcare out of thin air, and claim the govt has to provide it to all Americans, it seems reasonable that the REAL RIGHT to bear arms, which is actually in the Constitution, requires the govt to provide those arms free of charge to every American.

Let’s see if there are any non-hypocritical Dimsocialists on the board.

Well, I'm on board with that, but I want to be able to choose the firearm, preferably four.
1. RPG (needed on the road to subdue those with road rage).
2. MP5 (for those close in gun battles regularly encountered in the inner city).
3. Israeli DAN .338 or the Dragunov SVD (for those pesky off in the distant snipers we need to get rid of).
4. Israeli Corner-Shot firearm (to ensure that when you go after the criminal, you can stay safely around the corner).

 

[anynameyouwish]

Oh bullshit. Why not just post, "shall not infringe" and join the rest of the sheep?

Look how desperate you have become at wanting to confiscate guns, you have just accused everyone who is a constitutionalist as being sheep for citing it...are they parrots as well? you can count me in on both counts

Not everyone driving a car kills pedestrians who have the right away in a crosswalk. Do you believe Involuntary Manslaughter ought to be struck from the Vehicle or Penal Codes since it only applies to someone who is negligent and kills someone?

Since all of us who drive must have a license to do so, is our liberty infringed by such a law?

the constitution does not provide for you're right to drive, a license is a privilege, if the constitution protected your" right to drive" with the words "shall not infringe" then YES!, your "liberty" would most certainly be infringed upon by requiring a license

"the constitution does not provide for you're right to drive, a license is a privilege, if the constitution protected your" right to drive" with the words "shall not infringe" then YES!, your "liberty" would most certainly be infringed upon by requiring a license"


so

the only rights you have are the ones in the constitution?

if that is true then we have very very few rights.....

I would hope we had a lot more rights than the few listed in the constitution

I mean...really....what is the point of shouting FREEDOM and RIGHTS if the damned list is so short....?

 

[Crepitus]

Since the Dimsocialists have invented the right to free healthcare out of thin air, and claim the govt has to provide it to all Americans, it seems reasonable that the REAL RIGHT to bear arms, which is actually in the Constitution, requires the govt to provide those arms free of charge to every American.

Let’s see if there are any non-hypocritical Dimsocialists on the board.

Well, I'm on board with that, but I want to be able to choose the firearm, preferably four.
1. RPG (needed on the road to subdue those with road rage).
2. MP5 (for those close in gun battles regularly encountered in the inner city).
3. Israeli DAN .338 or the Dragunov SVD (for those pesky off in the distant snipers we need to get rid of).
4. Israeli Corner-Shot firearm (to ensure that when you go after the criminal, you can stay safely around the corner).

Regularly available firearms only. Nobody's asking for their own cafeteria or hospital.

 

[Vastator]

Wrong. See my post above.

Is this the post?

Q. "Why do you idiots always bring up driving as some kind of parallel to owning guns?"

A. For the simple reason that guns and cars kill people. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes irresponsibly and sometimes accidentally. There are laws which enforce responsible ownership and operation of a car. Of course there are gun laws, but they are always objected to by people like you, with the "shall not infringe" meme. It is not a Right. Not only because Scalia wrote so, but history as far back as Plato concluded that some people should never own an arm (BTW, notice there is not one part of the 2nd where a gun is noted).

That is significant, since other arms (gravity knives, push button knives, nonchucks, fully automatic firearms, cane swords, etc. etc. are controlled, or outlawed.

If so it has zero to do with my post, less than zero as a matter of fact, it addresses nothing in my post...and why are you quoting plato? our constitutional democracy was established to correct the deficiencies in the greek form of democracy i.e. we made sure the platophiles of the world could not determine for us what is right for us.

Leftists feel compelled to tell other people how to live their lives. Note they have no particular expertise or training to merit this feeling. On the contrary; most of them are too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instruction printed on the heel.

So they seek to impose their will with threat of government violence -- because they can't make rational arguments in support of their position.

No rational person chooses to support leftism. They have to be forced into it.

Ideas so good; they have to be implemented at gunpoint...

 

[Frankeneinstein]

"the constitution does not provide for you're right to drive, a license is a privilege, if the constitution protected your" right to drive" with the words "shall not infringe" then YES!, your "liberty" would most certainly be infringed upon by requiring a license"


so

the only rights you have are the ones in the constitution?

if that is true then we have very very few rights.....

I would hope we had a lot more rights than the few listed in the constitution

I mean...really....what is the point of shouting FREEDOM and RIGHTS if the damned list is so short....?

Well this is entirely your argument, nothing in it has anything to do with my posts, point or what was actually said...no, the rights in the constitution are not our only rights there are others, of which driving is not one, it is a privilege which I noticed you never addressed while constructing your strawman...now tell the truth, you never knew driving was a privilege did you? this took you completely by surprise didn't it?

 

[regent]

States provided free health care to its citizens at the beginning. We began as a liberal nation and States took on the responsibility of feeding the poor. Read up on the "poor farms."