Poll: Do You Agree with US Policy to Kill Narco Terrorists?

[Couchpotato]

When you don't have anything but invective. Its the death rattle of a liberal debate.

Ok how about you list all the example of "terrorism" the drug cartels have perpetrated against the US. Specifically, the Venezuelan drug cartels.

 

[schmidlap]

So you were on here making that argument when Biden was killing scores of people in Somalia, and Pakistan? When Obama was drone striking US citizens in Yemen?

Of course you werent.

Your attempted diversion fails.

In positing cogent questions, I do not pretend to pass sentence in such matter, recognizing that extensive investigations and assessments concerning legality will be required. I dismiss knee-jerk, hyper-partisan pom pom flailers with no credentials or expertise who parrot the party line.

... This incident has precipitated a fracture within the American defense establishment, raising fundamental questions about the limits of presidential power, the definition of “war” in the 21st century, and the moral obligations of service members. The controversy centers not merely on the tactical decision to fire, but on the strategic and legal framework that reclassified alleged gang members as “narco-terrorists” subject to the laws of war rather than criminal suspects subject to due process.​

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The ramifications extend from the waters of the Caribbean to the halls of the Pentagon and the hearing rooms of Capitol Hill. With the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, implicated in reports alleging orders to “leave no survivors,” and the White House publicly assigning operational responsibility to a four-star Admiral, the crisis tests the integrity of the chain of command...​

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[Couchpotato]

Your attempted diversion fails.

In positing cogent questions, I do not pretend to pass sentence in such matter, recognizing that extensive investigations and assessments concerning legality will be required. I dismiss knee-jerk, hyper-partisan pom pom flailers with no credentials or expertise who parrot the party line.

... This incident has precipitated a fracture within the American defense establishment, raising fundamental questions about the limits of presidential power, the definition of “war” in the 21st century, and the moral obligations of service members. The controversy centers not merely on the tactical decision to fire, but on the strategic and legal framework that reclassified alleged gang members as “narco-terrorists” subject to the laws of war rather than criminal suspects subject to due process.​

The ramifications extend from the waters of the Caribbean to the halls of the Pentagon and the hearing rooms of Capitol Hill. With the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, implicated in reports alleging orders to “leave no survivors,” and the White House publicly assigning operational responsibility to a four-star Admiral, the crisis tests the integrity of the chain of command...​

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It's not a diversion is an illustration of hypocrisy.

Sorry but you will need to show how blowing up "terrorists" in Somalia (at a much greater clip than what we are going in the Caribbean I might add) is any different than blowing them up in South America. You can't justify one without justifying the other which BTW is my point.

Show me where I've supported the strikes in the Caribbean. I'll wait.

 

[SaxonJackson]

To be fair it's no less illegal than the wars we fought in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan etc. over the last 10-20 years.

I certainly can't disagree. When Israel/AIPAC rules our government they do what they're told.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Ok how about you list all the example of "terrorism" the drug cartels have perpetrated against the US. Specifically, the Venezuelan drug cartels.

This is for Tren de Aragua whose members have been linked to crimes throughout the United States, including murders. ...... the gang has been linked since 2022 to shootings, thefts in retail stores, street robberies, forced prostitution, extortion, and drug dealing.

FBI agents in El Paso, Texas reported that 41 suspected members of the Tren de Aragua were arrested in 2023. In 2024, a state investigator told KUTV that a number of crimes in the Salt Lake City metropolitan area were linked to Tren de Aragua, including a September 2024 shooting in Herriman. Most of the reported crimes included theft, illegal drug distribution, and sextortion.

 

[Couchpotato]

This is for Tren de Aragua whose members have been linked to crimes throughout the United States, including murders. ...... the gang has been linked since 2022 to shootings, thefts in retail stores, street robberies, forced prostitution, extortion, and drug dealing.

FBI agents in El Paso, Texas reported that 41 suspected members of the Tren de Aragua were arrested in 2023. In 2024, a state investigator told KUTV that a number of crimes in the Salt Lake City metropolitan area were linked to Tren de Aragua, including a September 2024 shooting in Herriman. Most of the reported crimes included theft, illegal drug distribution, and sextortion.

I never said they werent criminals. Now try listing a terrorist act they have committed.

 

[Leo123]

What’s a narco terrorist?

Try keeping up with the news, you're making a fool of yourself.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Ok how about you list all the example of "terrorism" the drug cartels have perpetrated against the US. Specifically, the Venezuelan drug cartels.

Cartel of the Sun

In September 2013, an incident allegedly linked to the Cartel of the Suns and involving men from the Venezuelan National Guard occurred, when 31 suitcases containing 1.3 tons of cocaine were discovered on an Air France flight. The incident "astonished" Charles de Gaulle Airport authorities, as it was the largest seizure of cocaine recorded in mainland France. On 15 February 2014, a commander of the Venezuelan National Guard was arrested while driving to Valencia with his family with 554 kilos of cocaine in his possession. On 11 November 2015, DEA agents in Haiti arrested two relatives (an adopted son and nephew) of Cilia Flores, the First Lady of Venezuela, as they attempted to move 800 kilos of cocaine from Venezuela to the United States. A source from the DEA unofficially stated that the shipment was allowed to pass through Venezuela due to government corruption.

The Cartel of the Suns allegedly operates through multiple branches of the Armed Forces of Venezuela, including the Venezuelan Army, Venezuelan Navy, Venezuelan Air Force, and Venezuelan National Guard, encompassing the lowest to the highest levels of personnel. InSight Crime describes it not as a hierarchical organization, but as "loose network of cells" within the Armed Forces of Venezuela which "operate essentially as drug trafficking organizations."

 

[OODA_Loop]

I never said they werent criminals. Now try listing a terrorist act they have committed.

International coordination of the aforementioned crimes earned the Terrorist designation by multiple countries not just the US


FBI definition:


Terrorism definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored)

Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation

To counter terrorism, the FBI's top investigative priority, we use our investigative and intelligence capabilities to neutralize domestic extremists and help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide.

www.fbi.gov

 

[Couchpotato]

Cartel of the Sun

In September 2013, an incident allegedly linked to the Cartel of the Suns and involving men from the Venezuelan National Guard occurred, when 31 suitcases containing 1.3 tons of cocaine were discovered on an Air France flight. The incident "astonished" Charles de Gaulle Airport authorities, as it was the largest seizure of cocaine recorded in mainland France. On 15 February 2014, a commander of the Venezuelan National Guard was arrested while driving to Valencia with his family with 554 kilos of cocaine in his possession. On 11 November 2015, DEA agents in Haiti arrested two relatives (an adopted son and nephew) of Cilia Flores, the First Lady of Venezuela, as they attempted to move 800 kilos of cocaine from Venezuela to the United States. A source from the DEA unofficially stated that the shipment was allowed to pass through Venezuela due to government corruption.

The Cartel of the Suns allegedly operates through multiple branches of the Armed Forces of Venezuela, including the Venezuelan Army, Venezuelan Navy, Venezuelan Air Force, and Venezuelan National Guard, encompassing the lowest to the highest levels of personnel. InSight Crime describes it not as a hierarchical organization, but as "loose network of cells" within the Armed Forces of Venezuela which "operate essentially as drug trafficking organizations."

and this is "terrorism" because?

 

[SaxonJackson]

What are you sources for these pronouncements? Even if accurate, wouldn't "self defense" include preventing lethal drugs from being transported to the US? And to what "random boats" are you referring?

1) Do we drive around New York or Los Angeles shooting suspected drug dealers? Nope.
2) Can we shoot all the Somalis in Minnesota and Michigan because they might commit a murder or terrorist act some day?
3) Are we permitted to shoot anyone we deem MAY be a threat to our lives some day?

If we can track these boats in international waters -- then we can track them as they approach our shores. When they get within 12 miles of American soil, we can apprehend them; search their boats; confiscate the drugs; and punish them.

I would have no problem with Congress passing a law that anyone caught smuggling drugs into the USA automatically receives the death penalty. But such a law doesn't currently exist.

 

[Couchpotato]

International coordination of the aforementioned crimes earned the Terrorist designation by multiple countries not just the US

If you are just going to redefine what terrorism is then it will be easy to point out "acts of terrorism" that any group has done, since I can just name something they do/have done that I don't like as terrorism.

 

[OODA_Loop]

and this is "terrorism" because?

Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation

To counter terrorism, the FBI's top investigative priority, we use our investigative and intelligence capabilities to neutralize domestic extremists and help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide.

www.fbi.gov

Terrorism definitions​

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored)

 

[Slyhunter]

No. Drug smuggling isn’t a capital offense. And if you can put a missile on a boat in open water, you can board it and seize it just as easily.

Bring them to justice? Absolutely.
Execute them? No.

This policy is a mistake on every level:

• Geopolitically: It erodes trust in the U.S. because no evidence is ever presented.
• Legally: It violates clear principles of international law.
• Constitutionally: The executive never sought authorization, so it’s happening without oversight.
• Morally: It kills people without trial when non-lethal alternatives exist. Americans would reject that in any domestic context.

It’s the wrong tool, used the wrong way, for the wrong reasons.

But no prob the Dems blowing up a wedding party just to get one person.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If you are just going to redefine what terrorism is then it will be easy to point out "acts of terrorism" that any group has done, since I can just name something they do/have done that I don't like as terrorism.

Ok start with the Christian missionaries you alluded to before....you have the floor.

 

[schmidlap]

It's not a diversion is an illustration of hypocrisy.

Sorry but you will need to show how blowing up "terrorists" in Somalia (at a much greater clip than what we are going in the Caribbean I might add) is any different than blowing them up in South America. You can't justify one without justifying the other which BTW is my point.

Show me where I've supported the strikes in the Caribbean. I'll wait.

No, I do not "need to show how blowing up 'terrorists' in Somalia (at a much greater clip than what we are going in the Caribbean I might add) is any different than blowing them up in South America."

Please cite where I claimed that you "supported strikes in the Caribbean."

 

[Couchpotato]

Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation

To counter terrorism, the FBI's top investigative priority, we use our investigative and intelligence capabilities to neutralize domestic extremists and help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide.

www.fbi.gov

Terrorism definitions​

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored)

For ***** sake. Click on the link you retard.

U.S.C. Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

As used in this chapter—

(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—

(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended—

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and


(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;


You can't just cherry pick parts of definitions. This is and always has been a political aspect of terrorism.

 

[Hafar1014]

How about arresting the domestic narco terrorists who pay for or own the ships/semis that come here with the drugs? You know, American organized crime.

This "narco-terrorist" label is just an excuse to wage war on Venezuela in order to control the oil there.

We already control the oil Chevron owns it.

 

[Meathead]

Show me evidence these are narco terrorists. Show me the congressional oversight.

"Dear Leader said it, I bleev it, that settles it!"

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Yeah, they're just rich Latino on their private racing boats going full throttle to the US.

 

[Couchpotato]

No, I do not "need to show how blowing up 'terrorists' in Somalia (at a much greater clip than what we are going in the Caribbean I might add) is any different than blowing them up in South America."

If you oppose one and not the other you do. Or if you contention is that they are somehow different you do.

Please cite where I claimed that you "supported strikes in the Caribbean."

"I dismiss knee-jerk, hyper-partisan pom pom flailers with no credentials or expertise who parrot the party line."

Who was this pointed at?