Poll: 85% of Israelis Support Banning Zoabi from Knesset

[Lipush]

Zoabi wants Israel to live up to its Declaration of Independence.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

Declaration of Establishment of State of Israel​

So what is unpatriotic about that?

No she espouses ISLAMONAZI TERRORISM and advocates the destruction of Israel and the Genocide of the Jews. The non Jews already have complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. They even have their own schools that teach Islamic lessons

You gotta love Palestinian women.

Haneen Zoabi MK Talks About Israel Apartheid and Lack of Democracy

Hanin Zoabi should not sit in the Israeli parliament after she met with Hamas leaders.

It is treason and even in Israel (as well as in USA) high treason is punishable by death.

 

[Lipush]

Gotta love it..,

Haneen Zoabi MK Talks About Israel Apartheid and Lack of Democracy

In South Africa:

* Black people could not sit in the government/parliament and surely could not bring or terminate bills.

(Just how many Arab members of the parliament sit in the Knesset, Again?)

* In any "apartheid" "dictatoriship" state saying those things would have immediately get her kicked out. Israeli high court defended her "speech" of treason multiple times, and she came back to spill her hatred again.

(Tell me more about lack of democracy)


Apartheid! Apartheid! Apratheid!

 

[Indofred]

I see no problem with Jewish women trying to get sexual satisfaction from real men, when Jews can't do the honours.
I understand "floppy Jew syndrome" is quite common so the whore Jewesses get it from Arab men, and often waive their usual fees in order to experience a climax.
Disappointed Jew wives are often to be seen in Arab areas, cruising for an Arab man.

Yes, and then when the Arab men start using punches, it turns less romantic.

No, you're mixing real men up with your Jew things.

Judaism Confronts Wife-Beating Graetz Women in Judaism A Multidisciplinary Journal

The New York Times and you will hear about rabbis' wives who are beaten by their husbands, surgeons' wives who stay in abusive marriages for 12-16 years, Kosher shelters and kitchens for Jewish victims of domestic violence in New York City and Boston. The numbers being bandied about in the media vary from 19-25% The conspiracy of silence is breaking, but not fast enough.

http://www.beki.org/domestic.html

By Rabbi Jon-Jay Tilsen

The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" is used as a classic example of a question which cannot be properly answered "yes" or "no," since saying "yes" is an implicit admission that one had been beating his wife, and answering "no" can be taken as an admission that one continues to beat his wife. Unfortunately, ten percent of the husbands in Israel may properly answer this question "yes" or "no," because as many as ten percent of the husbands in this country beat their wives.1 In the same way that many people wish to deny the existence of the problem today, so too writers of Jewish history have sought to minimize or deny the incidence of wife-beating in the past.2

10% of Israel Jews beat up their wives.
Regardless of religion, nationality, or whatever, that's ******* terrible, so I condemn all wife beating bastards, not just one group (as some here do).

You will find wife beating people in any religion, and they are all awful . But when it comes to treating women like dirt, the cult of Islam comes in first place, and it's not even really close. Women are viewed as inferior to Aram Muslim men. Just further proof that Muslim society is a backwards one.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the 10% of Israeli Jewish men that do this.

While you comment on the 90% of muslims men that also do it, and see it as a command from god.

Supply an informed link (as I did), and I'll comment.
Make shit up, and you just prove you're a hate filled wanker.

 

[Phoenall]

I despise men who treat women like that, always have

See - we have some common ground, even if you are a dick most of the time.

Some posters want to make out Muslim men do this, but totally ignore the fact all racial and religious groups have the same problems.
This behaviour is totally unacceptable, regardless who is guilty of this abuse, Muslim, Jew, Christian or whatever.

If we're to be serious about stamping out this pathetic behaviour, we must see all groups have problems, not just the people you chose to hate.

And this is the cry of the ISLAMONAZI APOLOGIST whenever the actions of the muslims are held up to public scrutiny. It is not the other cultures and religions that are following the commands in the Koran to KILL, RAPE, STEAL and BE VIOLENT is it

Zoabi wants Israel to live up to its Declaration of Independence.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

Declaration of Establishment of State of Israel​

So what is unpatriotic about that?

No she espouses ISLAMONAZI TERRORISM and advocates the destruction of Israel and the Genocide of the Jews. The non Jews already have complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. They even have their own schools that teach Islamic lessons

You gotta love Palestinian women.

Haneen Zoabi MK Talks About Israel Apartheid and Lack of Democracy

What Israeli apartheid and lack of democracy. Were exactly inside Israel is this happening, or are you being disengenious again and calling the west bank Israel ?

 

[Phoenall]

Yes, and then when the Arab men start using punches, it turns less romantic.

No, you're mixing real men up with your Jew things.

Judaism Confronts Wife-Beating Graetz Women in Judaism A Multidisciplinary Journal

The New York Times and you will hear about rabbis' wives who are beaten by their husbands, surgeons' wives who stay in abusive marriages for 12-16 years, Kosher shelters and kitchens for Jewish victims of domestic violence in New York City and Boston. The numbers being bandied about in the media vary from 19-25% The conspiracy of silence is breaking, but not fast enough.

http://www.beki.org/domestic.html

By Rabbi Jon-Jay Tilsen

The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" is used as a classic example of a question which cannot be properly answered "yes" or "no," since saying "yes" is an implicit admission that one had been beating his wife, and answering "no" can be taken as an admission that one continues to beat his wife. Unfortunately, ten percent of the husbands in Israel may properly answer this question "yes" or "no," because as many as ten percent of the husbands in this country beat their wives.1 In the same way that many people wish to deny the existence of the problem today, so too writers of Jewish history have sought to minimize or deny the incidence of wife-beating in the past.2

10% of Israel Jews beat up their wives.
Regardless of religion, nationality, or whatever, that's ******* terrible, so I condemn all wife beating bastards, not just one group (as some here do).

You will find wife beating people in any religion, and they are all awful . But when it comes to treating women like dirt, the cult of Islam comes in first place, and it's not even really close. Women are viewed as inferior to Aram Muslim men. Just further proof that Muslim society is a backwards one.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the 10% of Israeli Jewish men that do this.

While you comment on the 90% of muslims men that also do it, and see it as a command from god.

Supply an informed link (as I did), and I'll comment.
Make shit up, and you just prove you're a hate filled wanker.

Here you go then

TheReligionofPeace - Islam Can a Husband Beat His Wife

Question: Does Islam permit a man to hit his wife?

Summary Answer: Yes, but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort of coercing submission, behind verbal abuse and abandonment. According her testimony in the Hadith, Muhammad, physically struck his favourite wife for leaving the house without his permission. It is not known how he treated his less-favoured wives. So there you have it a very informed source for Islamic wife beating and there is more as the Koran commands it as well Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Then the hadiths Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires. Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'" This is Muhammad's own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women. Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain." Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this. Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them." At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place. Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife." Abu Dawud (2126) - "A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: 'I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet).' The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: 'She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her'" A Muslim man thinks his is getting a virgin, then finds out she is pregnant. Muhammad tells him to treat the woman as a sex slave and then flog her after she has delivered the child. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 969 - Requires that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others." According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related. Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525) - [Muhammad said] "Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it"

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So there you have it widespread wife beating in islam and commanded by the religion.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Honorable Hanin Zoabi, Member of the Knesset (MK), is passionate and determined, yet --- IMO got it wrong (but again --- I'm an outsider).

Haneen Zoabi MK Talks About Israel Apartheid and Lack of Democracy

(COMMENT)

First off, The Honorable MK, frames the argument in behalf of the 1,200,000 Palestinians that are Israeli Citizens, as a minority --- as if they lack the protections thereto, by innuendo. As if it were some sort of oppressive apartheid. I think anyone that examines the facts can see this is not the case. The Honorable Members ability to standup and state her opinion is a matter of record (as evidenced by the videos).

Second, the Honorable Member frames her argument on several key points:

• Strategic threat by internal definition (noting that the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not defined as a Strategic Threat)(noting that only a portion of the internal Israel-Palestinian citizens as defined as a strategic threat),
• Racist Dominance,
• Definition of Israel as a Jewish State (at the expense of the Palestinians),
• Jewish State 'vs' Democracy (Noting this is the key issue which "stands behind" the system of Israel), (Noting that this is what "we should target - this is what stands behind all this racist, apartheid discrimination").

And it is this which, as an outsider, I would address (in reverse order).

Jewish State 'vs' Democracy:

• The Honorable Member's use of the term "Jewish State" has connotations to it (as if it were a bad thing). The creation of the "Jewish State" was but one of a number of possible solutions to the basic goal outlined by the Allied Powers (nearly a century ago) in the establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). And the creation of a "Jewish State," as a solution to the establishment of a JNH, was the majority opinion of the United Nations in 1947, as the best option. And that opinion was the creation of a "Jewish State," an "Arab State," and an "Independent Jerusalem." Not whether or not you adhere to the international legitimacy of General Assembly Resolution 181(II) (as a stand-alone and separate argument), the fact of the matter is --- it was acceptable then --- to the majority of the membership, that a "Jewish State" be established.

• The Honorable Member's use of the term "Democracy" has connotations to it (as if it were absolutely essential and a prerequisite of some sort). The Honorable Member forgets to mention that the US, the UK, each of the EU States, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc,,, are NOT Democracies; none of them --- not even the US (we are a "republic" with a federal-bicameral congress and state/commonwealth legislatures --- I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the "Republic" for which it stands,"). To argue that Israel must have a true "democracy" flies in the face of the "right of self-determination." It is, at its core, a flawed argument.

Definition of Israel as a Jewish State:

• The recognition and the designation of the State of Israel as a "Jewish State" one needs only to examine the language, adopted by the General Assembly:

A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947, "3. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below."​

Racist Dominance:

• There is no racial dominance between the non-Palestinian citizenry (approximately 6,900,000) and the Palestinian citizenry (approximately 1,200,000); but a cultural and tribal distinction. If it were a black 'vs' white distinction, then there might be a basis for such a claim. But to be honest, if I had not actually been to the Middle East, I could not tell the difference between The Honorable Hanin Zoabi and any other Israeli; except those of a different skin color. Certainly, I find it hard for me (an outsider) to see a racial component here.

• On the one hand, The Honorable Hanin Zoabi, argues that Israel should be "Democratic." On the other hand, she argues that the Palestinian should be represented and distinguished beyond the government by the people; especially: rule of the majority. Again, there is a double conflict here. You cannot argue for special consideration in favor of the minority and then also argue that "Democracy" and the "Right of Self-Determination" are paramount.

Strategic Threat:

This is a matter of internal security (Westphalian Sovereignty).

"Westphalian sovereignty is the concept that all nation-states have sovereignty over their territory, with no role for external agents in domestic structures."
Reaffirming, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, that no State has the right to intervent directly or indirectly for any reason whatsoever in the internal or external affairs of any other State, A/RES/36/103​

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Additional Protocol I (API) will apply. In internal, non-international armed conflict (NIAC), common article 3 applies and Additional Protocol II (APII). . Importantly, Article 3 of APII of 8 June 1977 states:

1. Nothing in this Protocol shall be invoked for the purpose of affecting the sovereignty of a State or the responsibility of the government, by all legitimate means, to maintain or re-establish law and order in the State or to defend the national unity and territorial integrity of the State.

2. Nothing in this Protocol shall be invoked as a justification for intervening, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the armed conflict or in the internal or external affairs of the High Contracting Party in the territory of which that conflict occurs.​

This is to say that, in the first place, the internal security matters of the State of Israel, are its matter, beyond the intervention of the international community, except where the High Contracting Parties have agreed. This is consistent with the Customary Law that​

The entire schema of the presentations by The Honorable Hanin Zoabi is an appeal for sympathy.

"Appeal to Pity/ sympathy uses values as emotional levers to gain compliance. This can be particularly powerful, as it is a strong social force, it is about 'being good' and can easily lead to further commitment."

"There's a sucker born every minute!" ---- David Hannum​

Most Respectfully,
R