Political Naiveness, epidemic in the New Right?

[Lonestar_logic]

Cars kill people unnecessarily as do hammers, swimming pools, knives etc....So?

Yes, but they weren't specifically designed to kill people, now were they? And I'm not happy about those deaths either.

None of my hunting rifles or shotguns were specifically designed to kill people, although each one is very capable of doing so.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Thanks so much to Iceweasel and OK Texas for proving the truth of the OP:

Considering all the comments in posts made by those who claim the title of Conservative, it occurs to me that politically naive best describes the bulk of comments, opinions, hate for liberals and fear of ides which conflict with the dogma they have been inundated by and thus echo.

Your thread is an insult, asshole. You treat people like shit and demand the utmost respect in return. We've had many discussions and it always comes down to how evil the right is. The fact that you choose to ignore the points brought to you proves your OP is nothing but projection.

I think your quote feature malfunctioned.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You claim that progressivism is all about thinking...

Nope, and nuff said, Mod Troll. People like you live by fear, live for fear, live in fear. That, among other things, is what makes you conservative.

Were it not for fear, you could deal in reality, come what may...

It's YOU who are afraid silly boy. You are terrified that people should be able to fend for themselves. You are frightened that they don't need your Big Government solutions to the smallest problems. You are scared shitless that people have guns. If they have guns they can protect themselves. Nope, it is YOU that is afraid.

I fear nothing, dummy, which is why I don't need a gun to protect myself or have to carry one to feel like a man and safe in society. I don't fear guns, they kill people, and that's a problem especially when almost no one needs one any longer. You people are truly dumb as dog shit and terrified we're going to take your guns away which in your tiny minds, means you can no longer protect yourself. A gun is for killing, not protection.

The government, BTW, is a necessary evil. If we didn't need one, I wouldn't have one, but that isn't true now is it? Nope.

The people who seem to be threatened by a gun are anti-gun people. I saw a guy carry a 9mm into a mcdonalds once. It didn't bother me. I was a little concerned that he had it cocked in his holster but other than that it didn't bother me.

LOL. It would have bothered me.

 

[Iceweasel]

I think your quote feature malfunctioned.

Sorry, fixed it.

 

[Iceweasel]

You claim that progressivism is all about thinking...

Nope, and nuff said, Mod Troll. People like you live by fear, live for fear, live in fear. That, among other things, is what makes you conservative.

Were it not for fear, you could deal in reality, come what may...

It's YOU who are afraid silly boy. You are terrified that people should be able to fend for themselves. You are frightened that they don't need your Big Government solutions to the smallest problems. You are scared shitless that people have guns. If they have guns they can protect themselves. Nope, it is YOU that is afraid.

I fear nothing, dummy, which is why I don't need a gun to protect myself or have to carry one to feel like a man and safe in society. I don't fear guns, they kill people, and that's a problem especially when almost no one needs one any longer. You people are truly dumb as dog shit and terrified we're going to take your guns away which in your tiny minds, means you can no longer protect yourself. A gun is for killing, not protection.

The government, BTW, is a necessary evil. If we didn't need one, I wouldn't have one, but that isn't true now is it? Nope.

The people who seem to be threatened by a gun are anti-gun people. I saw a guy carry a 9mm into a mcdonalds once. It didn't bother me. I was a little concerned that he had it cocked in his holster but other than that it didn't bother me.

LOL. It would have bothered me.

Not me. Cocked and locked is safe. I'd be more worried about the food.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Nope, and nuff said, Mod Troll. People like you live by fear, live for fear, live in fear. That, among other things, is what makes you conservative.

Were it not for fear, you could deal in reality, come what may...

It's YOU who are afraid silly boy. You are terrified that people should be able to fend for themselves. You are frightened that they don't need your Big Government solutions to the smallest problems. You are scared shitless that people have guns. If they have guns they can protect themselves. Nope, it is YOU that is afraid.

I fear nothing, dummy, which is why I don't need a gun to protect myself or have to carry one to feel like a man and safe in society. I don't fear guns, they kill people, and that's a problem especially when almost no one needs one any longer. You people are truly dumb as dog shit and terrified we're going to take your guns away which in your tiny minds, means you can no longer protect yourself. A gun is for killing, not protection.

The government, BTW, is a necessary evil. If we didn't need one, I wouldn't have one, but that isn't true now is it? Nope.

The people who seem to be threatened by a gun are anti-gun people. I saw a guy carry a 9mm into a mcdonalds once. It didn't bother me. I was a little concerned that he had it cocked in his holster but other than that it didn't bother me.

Cocked and locked is the only way to go.

I thought it was unnecessary. Are you saying that the guy won't have time to cock his gun in a gunfight?

I'm saying that in the heat of battle a little thing like remembering to cock your gun or chamber or round and even taking it off safety could be the difference in living or dying.

It all boils down to practice, if you practice drawing, cocking and shooting or drawing chambering a round and shooting or drawing taking the firearm off safety and shooting then you should carry your weapon in the manner in which you have practiced and one that is second nature to you.

I carry an Springfield XDS .45 with an extended magazine, it has no external safety. I carry with a round chambered so all I have to do is draw and shoot. Of all the police officer I know, and I know quite a few, most carry a Glock which has no external safety and all carry with a round chambered because the seconds it takes to chamber a round could get them killed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thanks so much to Iceweasel and OK Texas for proving the truth of the OP:

Considering all the comments in posts made by those who claim the title of Conservative, it occurs to me that politically naive best describes the bulk of comments, opinions, hate for liberals and fear of ides which conflict with the dogma they have been inundated by and thus echo.

Your thread is an insult, asshole. You treat people like shit and demand the utmost respect in return. We've had many discussions and it always comes down to how evil the right is. The fact that you choose to ignore the points brought to you proves your OP is nothing but projection.

You should not use words far beyond your understanding. I treat people with respect who deserve respect, you deserve what you get. So don't project my treatment of you as anything but the disrespect I have for you.
Most fools I tolerate, and choose to ignore (though I read their posts for they are generally insightful in a way you could not understand). You're so toxic, pay back just feels right.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

5 years in a juvie unit makes you an expert on raising a child?

Five as a deputy, another four, a number of years later, as the boss. I also have years of experience watching guys and gals from the neighborhood grow up. Blue Collar & middle class neighborhoods produce both the successful and the failures. Growing up with both, from K through high school, I had a sense later framed by education and experience to understand the influence of parenting.

Some of my contemporaries went to college, some into the service, some to prison, others joined the fire dept, police dept and the trades, some succumbed to booze/drugs and dead by 50. Many mirrored their parents, those who drank too much, divorced and didn't need to be home when the street lights came on developed differently.

Yet you failed to answer my question, what experience / education do you bring to the table?

My experience is based on raising five children to the age of majority as a single father. In total that 90 years experience in raising kids.

Congrats, my personal experience is raising two fine young men, now 37 and 32 who I am able to contrast with the kids I coached along the with with my own from pee wee baseball up until my boys played high school ball.

The parents who helped, attended their games had a positive impact on their development. Others, bringing the rancor of divorce to the field, the booze, and one having to be escorted off the grounds for abusing the umpire, were few but very noticeable and had the opposite effect on their kids. Some survived, one killed himself and two I later watched as they made their way through the Court System on their way to San Quentin in my professional career.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I have seen children raised with the best parents, parents who were involved in all aspects of their lives and still the children grew up to make bad decisions and wound up in prison or have had their lives taken.

Ah, the bad seed. Life's future foundation is a product of DNA and experience, what you say is true, but there are many unknowns for us to draw a conclusion as to which dominated the life to the extent you've described. Too much parental attention or too little, to much parental excesses and spoil child, or too little discipline or too much punishment? How can we know what most influenced a child, for the child is the father of the man.

Who are you to say what circumstances caused what? Too little, too much...... there is no guarantee that children raised in any certain way will have the same outcome every single time.

I'm still not understanding what point you are attempting to make.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Nope, and nuff said, Mod Troll. People like you live by fear, live for fear, live in fear. That, among other things, is what makes you conservative.

Were it not for fear, you could deal in reality, come what may...

It's YOU who are afraid silly boy. You are terrified that people should be able to fend for themselves. You are frightened that they don't need your Big Government solutions to the smallest problems. You are scared shitless that people have guns. If they have guns they can protect themselves. Nope, it is YOU that is afraid.

I fear nothing, dummy, which is why I don't need a gun to protect myself or have to carry one to feel like a man and safe in society. I don't fear guns, they kill people, and that's a problem especially when almost no one needs one any longer. You people are truly dumb as dog shit and terrified we're going to take your guns away which in your tiny minds, means you can no longer protect yourself. A gun is for killing, not protection.

The government, BTW, is a necessary evil. If we didn't need one, I wouldn't have one, but that isn't true now is it? Nope.

The people who seem to be threatened by a gun are anti-gun people. I saw a guy carry a 9mm into a mcdonalds once. It didn't bother me. I was a little concerned that he had it cocked in his holster but other than that it didn't bother me.

LOL. It would have bothered me.

Not me. Cocked and locked is safe. I'd be more worried about the food.

I would leave. Anyone who parades around with a side arm in McD's is a threat. Single Action, double action, thumb safety matters not, it is the person who is the threat not the gun, per se.

 

[BlackSand]

Not me. Cocked and locked is safe. I'd be more worried about the food.

I would leave. Anyone who parades around with a side arm in McD's is a threat. Single Action, double action, thumb safety matters not, it is the person who is the threat not the gun, per se.

That's the beauty of conceal and carry ... Helps keep progressives from crapping their pants when you exercise your right to carry.
They'll take your money, give it to someone else and pretend it makes them better and more caring people ... But damn, if you carry a firearm they think you are a complete nut.


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[Lonestar_logic]

It's YOU who are afraid silly boy. You are terrified that people should be able to fend for themselves. You are frightened that they don't need your Big Government solutions to the smallest problems. You are scared shitless that people have guns. If they have guns they can protect themselves. Nope, it is YOU that is afraid.

I fear nothing, dummy, which is why I don't need a gun to protect myself or have to carry one to feel like a man and safe in society. I don't fear guns, they kill people, and that's a problem especially when almost no one needs one any longer. You people are truly dumb as dog shit and terrified we're going to take your guns away which in your tiny minds, means you can no longer protect yourself. A gun is for killing, not protection.

The government, BTW, is a necessary evil. If we didn't need one, I wouldn't have one, but that isn't true now is it? Nope.

The people who seem to be threatened by a gun are anti-gun people. I saw a guy carry a 9mm into a mcdonalds once. It didn't bother me. I was a little concerned that he had it cocked in his holster but other than that it didn't bother me.

LOL. It would have bothered me.

Not me. Cocked and locked is safe. I'd be more worried about the food.

I would leave. Anyone who parades around with a side arm in McD's is a threat. Single Action, double action, thumb safety matters not, it is the person who is the threat not the gun, per se.

If you see a person in Texas open carrying you can be sure that they're not a felon, that they have passed a NCIC background check, they have passed a training course in the use of the firearm and in the laws of the State and they possess a CHL.

Basically you should rest assured that for the most part, they are not thugs fixing to start blasting caps.

 

[easyt65]

1st....I have to laugh when I hear Liberals talk about 'sources'. Their Saul Alynski-influenced 'Liberal 101' Manual dictates that when faced with any information that sheds any negative light upon the Progressive Liberal narrative, ideology, and/or acts 'one' (Liberals) should declare the source to be 'invalid', even if it is one of their own sources they use frequently.

2ndly...I find it amusing when a Progressive Liberal, who is considered 'stupid' by the Progressives they defend (as seen in numerous revealed videos), claims in their thread, 'The posts by those self defined conservatives seem to be dominated by lies, half-truths, rumors, innuendos, character assassinations, sarcasm and personal attacks of those who offers differing ideas', especially when their primary candidate is being investigated for crimes under the Espionage Act and for Corruption charges, and their only other candidate is not even a 'Democrat' but is instead an avowed member of the Communist Party.

Almost all posts made such Liberals include childish acts, such as name-calling, or declarations that (again) any source provided to support an opposing view is invalid while hardly ever offering any source of their own to support their biased narrative. In fact, Saul Alynski would be extremely proud of how well most of the progressive Liberals follow his 'Rules for Radicals' teachings to the letter in attempting to hijack posts, divert the discussion to something entirely different than the originally intended subject which has brought them such discomfort. His followers have learned well and continue to engage in personal attacks, to include name-calling, Blame-shifting, denial of reality, and - as the OP states - engaging in 'lies, half-truths, rumors, innuendos, character assassinations, sarcasm, and personal attacks on those who offer differing ideas' while accusing others of doing so.

This has been a highly amusing thread, which boils down to the childish opinionated accusation of a Progressive Liberal against 'despised Conservatives' for doing the exact same things he and his own 'collective' do.

In the end, the winners are the professional, career politicians who have 'stupid' Americans like the OP so brainwashed that they spend their time attacking each other over whose politicians / party is LESS criminal instead of taking a step back, seeing that they are all equally so, and from holding ALL politicians equally accountable for their deeds.

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[Correll]

1. If you don't like the reality of the answer to your question, that's YOUR problem, not mine.

2. Almost every parent I know has a better idea how to raise a child than the Leftists who run the American Government.

3. I've read many of them, but those aren't TRADITIONAL. The Traditions I'm talking about were thousands of years old befor any of those people were even born.

I've read many of your posts, it is my opinion you are out of touch with reality. I base that on my experience and education and values; I'm 68 years old and worked since age 11 (paper routes), all through college, served in the USN and retire at age 57 with enough assets to last me a lifetime (my dad is 93 and his mother died at 102).

MOst people do know how to raise their children.

The evidence to prove you wrong are in jails, and the alcoholic and drug addicted, those who use tobacco and who are unprepared for the responsibility of adulthood, a result of too much parenting or none at all.

That's still a minority of the population.

Most people know how to raise their children.

I worked the Juvenile Unit for half a decade, what experience do you bring which is evidence that most people know how to raise a child?

My observations of regular people raising children.

If you are basing your conclusions based on your time in a Juvenile Unit, then your observations were not representative of the population, but of people who were fucked up.

BTW. you have my pity.

SOunds like a job that I would rather drill holes through my feet than do.

 

[OKTexas]

You claim that progressivism is all about thinking...

Nope, and nuff said, Mod Troll. People like you live by fear, live for fear, live in fear. That, among other things, is what makes you conservative.

Were it not for fear, you could deal in reality, come what may...

Good job, projectorman! You managed to get name calling, projection and a total detachment from reality, all in one short post.

Time and time again, this must be at least the fourth, you have yet to make a rational argument against the OP which means you very obviously do not have one.

How do you argue against biased opinion, he's not going to change his mind no matter what is said. He asked only one question, without answering it himself. Subsequent posts by the OP have shown his lack of primary education and if by chance he attended some form of higher education, he plainly didn't learn much. No I won't waste my time arguing with ignorance, I prefer to mock it, deride it and yes, simply laugh at it.

 

[OKTexas]

Thanks so much to Iceweasel and OK Texas for proving the truth of the OP:

Considering all the comments in posts made by those who claim the title of Conservative, it occurs to me that politically naive best describes the bulk of comments, opinions, hate for liberals and fear of ides which conflict with the dogma they have been inundated by and thus echo.

Really feel free to point out how I've done anything but laugh at your ignorance and irrelevant opinions. Well yours and PMH, who remains as irrelevant as you.

 

[Iceweasel]

Thanks so much to Iceweasel and OK Texas for proving the truth of the OP:

Considering all the comments in posts made by those who claim the title of Conservative, it occurs to me that politically naive best describes the bulk of comments, opinions, hate for liberals and fear of ides which conflict with the dogma they have been inundated by and thus echo.

Your thread is an insult, asshole. You treat people like shit and demand the utmost respect in return. We've had many discussions and it always comes down to how evil the right is. The fact that you choose to ignore the points brought to you proves your OP is nothing but projection.

You should not use words far beyond your understanding. I treat people with respect who deserve respect, you deserve what you get. So don't project my treatment of you as anything but the disrespect I have for you.
Most fools I tolerate, and choose to ignore (though I read their posts for they are generally insightful in a way you could not understand). You're so toxic, pay back just feels right.

Like I said, you're full of shit. And quite th hypocrite. You are nasty to anyone that doesn't share your world view. Like most libs.

 

[Iceweasel]

It's YOU who are afraid silly boy. You are terrified that people should be able to fend for themselves. You are frightened that they don't need your Big Government solutions to the smallest problems. You are scared shitless that people have guns. If they have guns they can protect themselves. Nope, it is YOU that is afraid.

I fear nothing, dummy, which is why I don't need a gun to protect myself or have to carry one to feel like a man and safe in society. I don't fear guns, they kill people, and that's a problem especially when almost no one needs one any longer. You people are truly dumb as dog shit and terrified we're going to take your guns away which in your tiny minds, means you can no longer protect yourself. A gun is for killing, not protection.

The government, BTW, is a necessary evil. If we didn't need one, I wouldn't have one, but that isn't true now is it? Nope.

The people who seem to be threatened by a gun are anti-gun people. I saw a guy carry a 9mm into a mcdonalds once. It didn't bother me. I was a little concerned that he had it cocked in his holster but other than that it didn't bother me.

LOL. It would have bothered me.

Not me. Cocked and locked is safe. I'd be more worried about the food.

I would leave. Anyone who parades around with a side arm in McD's is a threat. Single Action, double action, thumb safety matters not, it is the person who is the threat not the gun, per se.

He's parading if he has a sidearm? It's perfectly legal here. But at least you realize the gun doesn't do the killing. You're evolving!