Political Expert Larry Sabato. The Dems will get Shellacked in 2014.

[auditor0007]

It isn't the website that is so bad even though the website is an in your face exhibit of government incompetence, it's what happens when people can finally get through and finds out that the only way they can pay their premiums is to not eat two weeks out of every month.

Ah, you mean Americans are finally realizing that health care is not free, and that we are paying close to $9000 per year per every single living person in the US? You mean people are finally starting to understand that our current model of insurance based healthcare is unsustainable?

Here are the two biggest problems with healthcare. The first is how much we are paying, which is between $8500 and $9000 per year per person. That isn't per working person, it is for every single living person, insured or not, legal or not, and to determine the current lifetime cost per person all you need do is multiply that amount by 78 years. The total is pushing $700,000 per person over their entire lifetime. Now that is the biggest problem by far. The second biggest problem is much more simple, and that is the simple fact that the vast majority of Americans cannot afford to pay $700,000 for healthcare over their lifetime, and this is why we have such a big problem.

What is now happening is that a lot of people are finally beginning to understand just how expensive healthcare is. We can't spend $700,000 per person over their lifetime and expect to get health insurance that covers 100% of our medical needs for $150 per month. The math just doesn't add up.

 

[WelfareQueen]

It isn't the website that is so bad even though the website is an in your face exhibit of government incompetence, it's what happens when people can finally get through and finds out that the only way they can pay their premiums is to not eat two weeks out of every month.

Ah, you mean Americans are finally realizing that health care is not free, and that we are paying close to $9000 per year per every single living person in the US? You mean people are finally starting to understand that our current model of insurance based healthcare is unsustainable?

Here are the two biggest problems with healthcare. The first is how much we are paying, which is between $8500 and $9000 per year per person. That isn't per working person, it is for every single living person, insured or not, legal or not, and to determine the current lifetime cost per person all you need do is multiply that amount by 78 years. The total is pushing $700,000 per person over their entire lifetime. Now that is the biggest problem by far. The second biggest problem is much more simple, and that is the simple fact that the vast majority of Americans cannot afford to pay $700,000 for healthcare over their lifetime, and this is why we have such a big problem.

What is now happening is that a lot of people are finally beginning to understand just how expensive healthcare is. We can't spend $700,000 per person over their lifetime and expect to get health insurance that covers 100% of our medical needs for $150 per month. The math just doesn't add up.

Well said. I could not agree with you more. But Obamacare is not the solution. It isn't even close. Care will have to be rationed, doctors will need to make a little less money, and drug companies will have to reigned in big time, and lawyers cannot continue to feed off the system like vultures.

The Problem: Both political parties are bought and paid for by Big Pharma, trial lawyers, doctors and hospitals. Which means the system will never really change until it completely collapses.

 

[PrometheusBound]

"pull a coalition together"

Hmm...I wouldn't be too sure of that, at this rate I doubt ANYTHING could pull the GOP together.

Plus a dumb broken website is not going to costs the democrats the election, that's just crazy.

Wishful thinking by GOPer nitwits. If they chant this fantasy enough times, they can live off it until a reality check makes it bounce.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Political Expert Larry Sabato. The Dems will get Shellacked in 2014.

Which is why you see some Senate Democrats begging
for a delay in Papa ObamaCare

 

[rightwinger]

"pull a coalition together"

Hmm...I wouldn't be too sure of that, at this rate I doubt ANYTHING could pull the GOP together.

Plus a dumb broken website is not going to costs the democrats the election, that's just crazy.

Wishful thinking by GOPer nitwits. If they chant this fantasy enough times, they can live off it until a reality check makes it bounce.

People have six months to sign up. Websites can be fixed, it happens all the time. To think the whole program needs to be scrapped because of a slow website is nonsense
In 2014, Republicans will have to run on taking health insurance away from people who finally got it.
That is why they want to kill it now

 

[Neotrotsky]

First it was
Just wait till Obamacare is in place

Now it is
Just wait until the website is running

Lower the bar enough
Papa Obamacare might look good
What a surprise, the left has to lower expectations for Papa Obama



What month is it suppose to be working?

 

[eagle1462010]

2014 Predictions appears to be the Op.

I believe the GOP will retain the House.

I believe they will gain in the Senate, but how many is uncertain.

I believe INCUMBENTS will GET HIT AGAIN, as the people are Fed up with INCUMBENTS.

So Incumbents, in my opinion, will take some hard hits.

 

[eagle1462010]

Democratic Senate Seats Up For Re-Election in 2014

There are 21 US Senate seats up for re-election in 2014 that are currently held by Democrats, with more than half of those being vulnerable. These seats were won during the 2008 sweep year when President Barack Obama brought millions of new first time voters to the polls, and helping many of the down-ticket candidates along the way. While the Republicans are defending 14 seats in mostly conservative states, Democrats are defending a mixture of liberal, moderate, and conservative seats. The GOP would need to swing 6 seats to take control of the US Senate.

comment

The Dems have more to lose in this election than the GOP. Most of the GOP Senate positions are in Conservative States, and most, if not all, will remain Red. The Dems will have to fight some battleground states to maintain their majority.

The edge to gain in the Senate is in the GOP's advantage via the current voting block. Can they take 6 seats...........Don't know. But they will likely take 4.

 

[rightwinger]

First it was
Just wait till Obamacare is in place

Now it is
Just wait until the website is running

Lower the bar enough
Papa Obamacare might look good
What a surprise, the left has to lower expectations for Papa Obama



What month is it suppose to be working?

Obamacare is not in place. It will not be till January

Just wait till Republicans try to take away insurance from people who finally got it under Obamacare

Republcans can run ads about a lousy websites and Democrats can run ads with parents who have a child with cancer and Republicans want to take away her insurance

 

[eagle1462010]

First it was
Just wait till Obamacare is in place

Now it is
Just wait until the website is running

Lower the bar enough
Papa Obamacare might look good
What a surprise, the left has to lower expectations for Papa Obama



What month is it suppose to be working?

Obamacare is not in place. It will not be till January

Just wait till Republicans try to take away insurance from people who finally got it under Obamacare

Republcans can run ads about a lousy websites and Democrats can run ads with parents who have a child with cancer and Republicans want to take away her insurance

And those who lost their Insurance will vote how.................

Those that are now working Part Time will vote how.............

The economy and Obamacare will play a role in the election. The Dems will lose seats again. The only question is whether or not they will retain control the Senate. The GOP defenses are mostly easy victories with their seats up for grabs. Half of the Dems positions can be challenged. They can afford to lose 5 of those, but not 6.

 

[zeke]

This is exactly what I've been saying for the past month. Nobody is going to give a shit about the shutdown this time next year when they've got ObamaCare destroying their lives. Why else do you think six red state / swing state Democrat Senators up for reelection next year are now in agreement for delaying the mandate? They aren't stupid.

Guv's former spokeswoman censures Utah's Mike Lee over Obamacare | The Salt Lake Tribune

A cancer survivor and long-time member of the working class, Welling’s mom, Beckie Clarkson, has been uninsured off and on over the past 16 years, because her cancer, or pre-existing condition, has prevented her from obtaining comprehensive coverage.

"About once a week, Mom wakes up in the middle of the night, choking and gagging. She usually spends the rest of the night vomiting, and the entire next day recuperating. She thinks she has something called a hiatal hernia, but isn’t sure because the diagnostic tests are too expensive," wrote Welling, previously a reporter for the LDS-Church-owned Deseret News and a registered Republican.

"Today, God willing, Mom will sign up for health insurance on the federal health exchange. She will finally have coverage.

---------------------------------------------

Perhaps you could write to this woman and tell her you hope her mother dies. Perhaps even add in a "bitch"? As in "Die bitch". I suspect it would make you feel awfully "good".

That's a nice story. Who will pay for her coverage...you? These are the only people signing up for Obamacare, the incredibly old and sick, which means it will not be financially viable and will fail. Health insurance is not a Constitutional Right, and Obamacare is not a viable solution. Next.

In other words, "Die Bitch", right? Just come out and say it.

Why so angry? Chill out, bro. I don't know the woman. I wish her no ill will, but her health problems are not my problem...or yours. If she's smart, she'll figure something out. I always do.

Nothing like a "compassionate conservative". I think the "die bitch" comment was the accurate way right wingers feel. Unless it's their Mothers who need help.

 

[rightwinger]

First it was
Just wait till Obamacare is in place

Now it is
Just wait until the website is running

Lower the bar enough
Papa Obamacare might look good
What a surprise, the left has to lower expectations for Papa Obama



What month is it suppose to be working?

Obamacare is not in place. It will not be till January

Just wait till Republicans try to take away insurance from people who finally got it under Obamacare

Republcans can run ads about a lousy websites and Democrats can run ads with parents who have a child with cancer and Republicans want to take away her insurance

And those who lost their Insurance will vote how.................

Those that are now working Part Time will vote how.............

The economy and Obamacare will play a role in the election. The Dems will lose seats again. The only question is whether or not they will retain control the Senate. The GOP defenses are mostly easy victories with their seats up for grabs. Half of the Dems positions can be challenged. They can afford to lose 5 of those, but not 6.

More rightwing fantasies. Many, many more people will finally be covered. If you lost insurance, it is because your boss is a prick. Thankfully, you still have an option with exchanges that people who lost coverage didn't have before

Dems will lose some seats in the Senate and pick up some in the House.......unless Republicans act crazy again

 

[eagle1462010]

Guv's former spokeswoman censures Utah's Mike Lee over Obamacare | The Salt Lake Tribune

A cancer survivor and long-time member of the working class, Welling’s mom, Beckie Clarkson, has been uninsured off and on over the past 16 years, because her cancer, or pre-existing condition, has prevented her from obtaining comprehensive coverage.

"About once a week, Mom wakes up in the middle of the night, choking and gagging. She usually spends the rest of the night vomiting, and the entire next day recuperating. She thinks she has something called a hiatal hernia, but isn’t sure because the diagnostic tests are too expensive," wrote Welling, previously a reporter for the LDS-Church-owned Deseret News and a registered Republican.

"Today, God willing, Mom will sign up for health insurance on the federal health exchange. She will finally have coverage.

---------------------------------------------

Perhaps you could write to this woman and tell her you hope her mother dies. Perhaps even add in a "bitch"? As in "Die bitch". I suspect it would make you feel awfully "good".

In other words, "Die Bitch", right? Just come out and say it.

Why so angry? Chill out, bro. I don't know the woman. I wish her no ill will, but her health problems are not my problem...or yours. If she's smart, she'll figure something out. I always do.

Nothing like a "compassionate conservative". I think the "die bitch" comment was the accurate way right wingers feel. Unless it's their Mothers who need help.

And who told them to take the pain pill instead................

And who cut Medicare to pay for the new plan................

So, you throw Grandma and Grandpa under the bus, so the Insurance Co.'s can rake in the rewards....................

And then claim you are the righteous one.........

 

[eagle1462010]

Obamacare is not in place. It will not be till January

Just wait till Republicans try to take away insurance from people who finally got it under Obamacare

Republcans can run ads about a lousy websites and Democrats can run ads with parents who have a child with cancer and Republicans want to take away her insurance

And those who lost their Insurance will vote how.................

Those that are now working Part Time will vote how.............

The economy and Obamacare will play a role in the election. The Dems will lose seats again. The only question is whether or not they will retain control the Senate. The GOP defenses are mostly easy victories with their seats up for grabs. Half of the Dems positions can be challenged. They can afford to lose 5 of those, but not 6.

More rightwing fantasies. Many, many more people will finally be covered. If you lost insurance, it is because your boss is a prick. Thankfully, you still have an option with exchanges that people who lost coverage didn't have before

Dems will lose some seats in the Senate and pick up some in the House.......unless Republicans act crazy again

Because your boss is a prick. Class Warfare Ideology. There are very large taxes associated with this law to Employers. So many are simply going Part Time.

Many more are losing their insurance because the base coverage doesn't add up to the mandatory guidelines.

The CBO is predicting 7 million to lose insurance.

Others have seen premium increases.

And you think they'll vote for the assholes that did this to them. Dream on.

 

[editec]

Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia, is one of the most renowned political experts in the Country...accurately predicting Obama would win in 2012, and accurately predicting every Presidential election over the last 30 years. His record regarding mid-term elections is among the best of anyone in the Nation. Here is what he says about the upcoming mid-term election in 2014.


"You look at the 17 days of the shutdown and compare that to how many days we’re gonna be watching these critical ObamCare rollout stories -- something tells me the critical stories about ObamaCare rollout are going to last a lot longer than 17 days," University of Virginia Professor Larry Sabato said.

He said 2014 will be worse for Democrats and the administration. "That sixth-year election tends to unite the opposition because there are so many vulnerable spots for the incumbent president’s party, that's what brings them back together. There's nothing like the smell of victory in a lot of different places to pull a coalition together," Sabato said.


Larry also predicted Obama would win Virginia in 2012, which was one of the closest races in the Country. He is not an overt partisan. If I were a Dem, I would take what he says very seriously.

The D's will have to run another candidate and it looks to me like the D insiders are going to choose Hillary.

I do not think they truly understand what damage that woman did to her D credibility when she voted to INVADE IRAQ telling us that "Sometimes the road to peace is through war".


So yes I agree that the DEMS will not have an easy time of it if they Reps can field somebody who does not appear to be another TEABAGGING nutter.

 

[rightwinger]

And those who lost their Insurance will vote how.................

Those that are now working Part Time will vote how.............

The economy and Obamacare will play a role in the election. The Dems will lose seats again. The only question is whether or not they will retain control the Senate. The GOP defenses are mostly easy victories with their seats up for grabs. Half of the Dems positions can be challenged. They can afford to lose 5 of those, but not 6.

More rightwing fantasies. Many, many more people will finally be covered. If you lost insurance, it is because your boss is a prick. Thankfully, you still have an option with exchanges that people who lost coverage didn't have before

Dems will lose some seats in the Senate and pick up some in the House.......unless Republicans act crazy again

Because your boss is a prick. Class Warfare Ideology. There are very large taxes associated with this law to Employers. So many are simply going Part Time.

Many more are losing their insurance because the base coverage doesn't add up to the mandatory guidelines.

The CBO is predicting 7 million to lose insurance.

Others have seen premium increases.

And you think they'll vote for the assholes that did this to them. Dream on.

Guess what?

Employers were dumping insurance even before Obamacare. Health insurance costs too much and is a drain on the bottom line. Who wants their employer to make health insurance decisions for them anyway?
But we can't have single payer can we? Righties scream Socialism. We can't even have a Government option. Government takeover of insurance
So we are stuck with employers and mega rich insurance corporations

 

[eagle1462010]

More rightwing fantasies. Many, many more people will finally be covered. If you lost insurance, it is because your boss is a prick. Thankfully, you still have an option with exchanges that people who lost coverage didn't have before

Dems will lose some seats in the Senate and pick up some in the House.......unless Republicans act crazy again

Because your boss is a prick. Class Warfare Ideology. There are very large taxes associated with this law to Employers. So many are simply going Part Time.

Many more are losing their insurance because the base coverage doesn't add up to the mandatory guidelines.

The CBO is predicting 7 million to lose insurance.

Others have seen premium increases.

And you think they'll vote for the assholes that did this to them. Dream on.

Guess what?

Employers were dumping insurance even before Obamacare. Health insurance costs too much and is a drain on the bottom line. Who wants their employer to make health insurance decisions for them anyway?
But we can't have single payer can we? Righties scream Socialism. We can't even have a Government option. Government takeover of insurance
So we are stuck with employers and mega rich insurance corporations

Single Payer is your plan and the ultimate plan of the left.

Which is why they created this dismal law............

A law that will cause chaos and problems, so you can say, the only option to fix this law is the single payer option. That's the ultimate goal, and why your side don't really give a shit that you passed a Fucked up law.

 

[rightwinger]

Because your boss is a prick. Class Warfare Ideology. There are very large taxes associated with this law to Employers. So many are simply going Part Time.

Many more are losing their insurance because the base coverage doesn't add up to the mandatory guidelines.

The CBO is predicting 7 million to lose insurance.

Others have seen premium increases.

And you think they'll vote for the assholes that did this to them. Dream on.

Guess what?

Employers were dumping insurance even before Obamacare. Health insurance costs too much and is a drain on the bottom line. Who wants their employer to make health insurance decisions for them anyway?
But we can't have single payer can we? Righties scream Socialism. We can't even have a Government option. Government takeover of insurance
So we are stuck with employers and mega rich insurance corporations

Single Payer is your plan and the ultimate plan of the left.

Which is why they created this dismal law............

A law that will cause chaos and problems, so you can say, the only option to fix this law is the single payer option. That's the ultimate goal, and why your side don't really give a shit that you passed a Fucked up law.

Private Health Insurance is just a patch. Our healthcare problems are much bigger than that. Healthcare costs so much and somebody has to pay. We need to control costs and increase competition.

 

[Toro]

He did change a number of races, all of which increased the probability of Democratic victories.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » AFTER THE SHUTDOWN, REPUBLICANS SORT THROUGH THE WRECKAGE

 

[FJO]

Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia, is one of the most renowned political experts in the Country...accurately predicting Obama would win in 2012, and accurately predicting every Presidential election over the last 30 years. His record regarding mid-term elections is among the best of anyone in the Nation. Here is what he says about the upcoming mid-term election in 2014.


"You look at the 17 days of the shutdown and compare that to how many days we’re gonna be watching these critical ObamCare rollout stories -- something tells me the critical stories about ObamaCare rollout are going to last a lot longer than 17 days," University of Virginia Professor Larry Sabato said.

He said 2014 will be worse for Democrats and the administration. "That sixth-year election tends to unite the opposition because there are so many vulnerable spots for the incumbent president’s party, that's what brings them back together. There's nothing like the smell of victory in a lot of different places to pull a coalition together," Sabato said.


Larry also predicted Obama would win Virginia in 2012, which was one of the closest races in the Country. He is not an overt partisan. If I were a Dem, I would take what he says very seriously.

I'm curious. Republicans are 90% white. Where is the "coalition"?

Why are you so racist? Does it trouble you that 95% of black voters vote Democrat?

According to rdean and his fellow liberal, the 95% of blacks who vote Democrat are clever, politically astute people, while the blacks who dare to vote Republican are nothing but race-traitors, white-wannabe Uncle Toms.