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This was going to just be a reply on the "add a penis" thread but it deserves its own thread. That thread is actually really good and I encourage people to join in. The reply and counter reply were on whether a person belongs to the government. The American public should belong to the government. The government should belong to the general public. The good and bad of it is that neither is the case at the moment. Corruption is so rampant in politics that the government is dysfunctional. The power of the corrupt can actually shut down the entire federal government, literally. The two party system should be arguing for a government which works better under two different philosophies. That is a good thing. Currently though the Republican party is so corrupt that no member can stand up for philosophical beliefs and must vote the party line. If any Republican member should do this they would not survive the next primary. This is not to say there are not corrupt members of the Democratic party but since votes are down party lines they can not openly carry out the wishes of those who pay him or her. Campaign finance reform's goal is to keep special interests from buying politicians. The politician is not actually paid until they start acting on the special interest's behalf. The political contributions is just to get the candidate into the position to carry out their orders. Currently Senator Cruz is the poster child for the corrupt politician. When he is pushing hard against Attorney General Holder to convict people over the IRS scandal and explaining to the acting Assistant Attorney General Raman who campaign contributions should be invisible by Constitutional right he is following in the footsteps of Tom Delay, convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering in 2010. It is not a coincidence that they both come from Texas.
 

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This was going to just be a reply on the "add a penis" thread but it deserves its own thread. That thread is actually really good and I encourage people to join in. The reply and counter reply were on whether a person belongs to the government. The American public should belong to the government. The government should belong to the general public. The good and bad of it is that neither is the case at the moment. Corruption is so rampant in politics that the government is dysfunctional. The power of the corrupt can actually shut down the entire federal government, literally. The two party system should be arguing for a government which works better under two different philosophies. That is a good thing. Currently though the Republican party is so corrupt that no member can stand up for philosophical beliefs and must vote the party line. If any Republican member should do this they would not survive the next primary. This is not to say there are not corrupt members of the Democratic party but since votes are down party lines they can not openly carry out the wishes of those who pay him or her. Campaign finance reform's goal is to keep special interests from buying politicians. The politician is not actually paid until they start acting on the special interest's behalf. The political contributions is just to get the candidate into the position to carry out their orders. Currently Senator Cruz is the poster child for the corrupt politician. When he is pushing hard against Attorney General Holder to convict people over the IRS scandal and explaining to the acting Assistant Attorney General Raman who campaign contributions should be invisible by Constitutional right he is following in the footsteps of Tom Delay, convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering in 2010. It is not a coincidence that they both come from Texas.




Tom DeLay's conviction was overturned by a Judge who called it the worst case of Political Prosecution he'd ever seen.
 
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This was going to just be a reply on the "add a penis" thread but it deserves its own thread. That thread is actually really good and I encourage people to join in. The reply and counter reply were on whether a person belongs to the government. The American public should belong to the government. The government should belong to the general public. The good and bad of it is that neither is the case at the moment. Corruption is so rampant in politics that the government is dysfunctional. The power of the corrupt can actually shut down the entire federal government, literally. The two party system should be arguing for a government which works better under two different philosophies. That is a good thing. Currently though the Republican party is so corrupt that no member can stand up for philosophical beliefs and must vote the party line. If any Republican member should do this they would not survive the next primary. This is not to say there are not corrupt members of the Democratic party but since votes are down party lines they can not openly carry out the wishes of those who pay him or her. Campaign finance reform's goal is to keep special interests from buying politicians. The politician is not actually paid until they start acting on the special interest's behalf. The political contributions is just to get the candidate into the position to carry out their orders. Currently Senator Cruz is the poster child for the corrupt politician. When he is pushing hard against Attorney General Holder to convict people over the IRS scandal and explaining to the acting Assistant Attorney General Raman who campaign contributions should be invisible by Constitutional right he is following in the footsteps of Tom Delay, convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering in 2010. It is not a coincidence that they both come from Texas.
You ignorant fuck.

Tom DeLay's conviction was overturned by a Judge who called it the worst case of Political Prosecution he'd ever seen.

What a stupid fuck you are.
Was he convicted? Yes or No.
 

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This was going to just be a reply on the "add a penis" thread but it deserves its own thread. That thread is actually really good and I encourage people to join in. The reply and counter reply were on whether a person belongs to the government. The American public should belong to the government. The government should belong to the general public. The good and bad of it is that neither is the case at the moment. Corruption is so rampant in politics that the government is dysfunctional. The power of the corrupt can actually shut down the entire federal government, literally. The two party system should be arguing for a government which works better under two different philosophies. That is a good thing. Currently though the Republican party is so corrupt that no member can stand up for philosophical beliefs and must vote the party line. If any Republican member should do this they would not survive the next primary. This is not to say there are not corrupt members of the Democratic party but since votes are down party lines they can not openly carry out the wishes of those who pay him or her. Campaign finance reform's goal is to keep special interests from buying politicians. The politician is not actually paid until they start acting on the special interest's behalf. The political contributions is just to get the candidate into the position to carry out their orders. Currently Senator Cruz is the poster child for the corrupt politician. When he is pushing hard against Attorney General Holder to convict people over the IRS scandal and explaining to the acting Assistant Attorney General Raman who campaign contributions should be invisible by Constitutional right he is following in the footsteps of Tom Delay, convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering in 2010. It is not a coincidence that they both come from Texas.

Great post, I don't think the Dems are any cleaner than the Pubs on average -- both Parties are primarily motivated by power, attaining it and keeping it. I don't think the Dems on the whole care more about people than Pubs. They both care about their base.

And since both parties are supported by banks, corps, and the rich -- they are unlikely to offer up real solutions to the major problems.

Both parties are afraid of turning off Seniors, so they won't talk about Medicare reform.

Both parties want to keep the money flowing, so they do little to reform campaign finance.

Dems are pro-choice, but every low-income baby on welfare is another potential Dem voters.

Pubs are pro-life, but every abortion procedure perform on a low-income minority, eliminates a potential Dem voter and keeps welfare costs down.

The reality is this country thrived during the 50's, the golden age of grown, and taxes were high.
 

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The way our system of government works now is what's corrupt. In order to participate in it, you become corrupt simply by participating. Until/Unless that changes, calling individuals corrupt is redundant.

Another of several reasons I've never voted. Participation makes you corrupt by dignifying a corrupted system.
 

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The way our system of government works now is what's corrupt. In order to participate in it, you become corrupt simply by participating. Until/Unless that changes, calling individuals corrupt is redundant.

Another of several reasons I've never voted. Participation makes you corrupt by dignifying a corrupted system.
Thank you for not voting.

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Mr. Randomvariableperson:

Unless you define "corruption" (according to you), your post is meaningless.

You appear to be quite naive about political realities. Donors tend do support candidates whose views and actions are better for the donor. In 95% of cases, it is not a matter of "quid pro quo," but rather simple logic.

If I own a coal mine, is it "corrupt" for me to donate to a candidate who has taken a public position against carbon taxes? Or is it just logical? Is it "corrupt" for the politician to accept that donation? He's not doing anything in exchange for the donation, he's just continuing to do what he has said he would do if elected.

Is it "corrupt" for a City employee to vote for a Democrat candidate for mayor because he knows that the Democrat will ensure a sweetheart deal for the union that the employee belongs to? He is exchanging his vote for a personal payback. Is that corruption of the vote?

You got some 'splainin' to do.
 
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This was going to just be a reply on the "add a penis" thread but it deserves its own thread. That thread is actually really good and I encourage people to join in. The reply and counter reply were on whether a person belongs to the government. The American public should belong to the government. The government should belong to the general public. The good and bad of it is that neither is the case at the moment. Corruption is so rampant in politics that the government is dysfunctional. The power of the corrupt can actually shut down the entire federal government, literally. The two party system should be arguing for a government which works better under two different philosophies. That is a good thing. Currently though the Republican party is so corrupt that no member can stand up for philosophical beliefs and must vote the party line. If any Republican member should do this they would not survive the next primary. This is not to say there are not corrupt members of the Democratic party but since votes are down party lines they can not openly carry out the wishes of those who pay him or her. Campaign finance reform's goal is to keep special interests from buying politicians. The politician is not actually paid until they start acting on the special interest's behalf. The political contributions is just to get the candidate into the position to carry out their orders. Currently Senator Cruz is the poster child for the corrupt politician. When he is pushing hard against Attorney General Holder to convict people over the IRS scandal and explaining to the acting Assistant Attorney General Raman who campaign contributions should be invisible by Constitutional right he is following in the footsteps of Tom Delay, convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering in 2010. It is not a coincidence that they both come from Texas.
You ignorant fuck.

Tom DeLay's conviction was overturned by a Judge who called it the worst case of Political Prosecution he'd ever seen.

What a stupid fuck you are.
DeLay was convicted by a jury of his peers and it was overturned by a three judge panel. The poetic injustice of that probably completely misses you.
 
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Given that the term ' corruption' can be ambiguous would anyone object to me qualifying this as corruption?
Moved by the sworn testimony of U.S. officials and human-rights advocates that the 91 percent of the workforce who were immigrants -- from China, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh -- were being paid barely half the U.S. minimum hourly wage and were forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections U.S. workers are guaranteed, Murkowski wrote a bill to extend the protection of U.S. labor and minimum-wage laws to the workers in the U.S. territory of the Northern Marianas.

So compelling was the case for change the Alaska Republican marshaled that in early 2000, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the Murkowski worker reform bill.

But one man primarily stopped the U.S. House from even considering that worker-reform bill: then-House Republican Whip Tom DeLay.

According to law firm records recently made public, lobbyist Jack Abramoff, paid millions to stop reform and keep the status quo, met personally at least two dozen times with DeLay on the subject in one two-year period. The DeLay staff was often in daily contact with Abramoff.

DeLay traveled with his family and staff over New Year's of 1997 on an Abramoff scholarship endowed by his client, the government of the territory, to the Marianas, where golf and snorkeling were enjoyed.

DeLay fully approved of the working and living conditions. The Texan's salute to the owners and Abramoff's government clients was recorded by ABC-TV News: "You are a shining light for what is happening to the Republican Party, and you represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system"

Later, DeLay would tell The Washington Post's Juliet Eilperin that the low-wage, anti-union conditions of the Marianas constituted "a perfect petri dish of capitalism. It's like my Galapagos Island."
CNN.com - The real scandal of Tom DeLay - May 9, 2005
 

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