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[hadit]

The one question none of you shitasses can answer.
Who did we steal it from?

Are you actually trying to claim you can trace your tribes' ownership of the land all the way back to original settlers, or are you just trying to muddy the waters by insisting on proof that you know your tribe destroyed?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

bud, 'native americans' came from south america, and across the Bering Sea.

YOUR tribe may be, or may not be, 'indigenous'.

if it is, show some proof, other than, we were here first claims.

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They're entitlement whores, at least in South Dakota, where they have allowed the drug cartels to manufacture illegal drugs on "their land", and have been trafficking their children.

I have a neighbor who works as a contractor, and as such has seen this happening with his own eyes. Breathed the horrible chemical fumes with his own respiratory system.

Why should we believe they won't lie?

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[Auld Phart]

What tribes did they eliminate?

here's some that 'disappeared' in the mid-west and east.

12 Native American Tribes Whose Destruction Isn’t Taught in History Class – Country Adventures

www.countryadventures.net

was your tribe involved in their genocide?

 

[Hellbilly]

Are you actually trying to claim you can trace your tribes' ownership of the land all the way back to original settlers, or are you just trying to muddy the waters by insisting on proof that you know your tribe destroyed?

It has already been confirmed with DNA evidence.

 

[Hellbilly]

here's some that 'disappeared' in the mid-west and east.

12 Native American Tribes Whose Destruction Isn’t Taught in History Class – Country Adventures

www.countryadventures.net

was your tribe involved in their genocide?

Some of my ancestors were one of the peaceful tribes. The ones your ancestors forced of our land in the Trail of Tears.

 

[Auld Phart]

Some of my ancestors were one of the peaceful tribes. The ones your ancestors forced of our land in the Trail of Tears.

Mya ancestors were originally settled in NJ but moved west to the lower Ohio area to land grants made by President Jackson.

sounds like your ancestors were neighbors of the Calusa and Timucua tribes.

before they 'disappeared'.

 

[hadit]

It has already been confirmed with DNA evidence.

That only traces biological identity, not tribal. IOW, one group of people could immigrate to the new world and separate into different tribes while still bearing the same biological lineage. That does not mean your tribe was the first to settle on a tract of land and never displaced another tribe, stealing their land and enslaving their people. It is the nature of humanity to place claim on something valuable and fight other groups for ownership of that asset. Your people are not exempt from that.

 

[Hellbilly]

That only traces biological identity, not tribal. IOW, one group of people could immigrate to the new world and separate into different tribes while still bearing the same biological lineage. That does not mean your tribe was the first to settle on a tract of land and never displaced another tribe, stealing their land and enslaving their people. It is the nature of humanity to place claim on something valuable and fight other groups for ownership of that asset. Your people are not exempt from that.

Thank you for your opinion

 

[hadit]

Thank you for your opinion

The point being that you cannot credibly state that your tribe has more claim to the land you live on than does anyone else who conquered it and drove the previous inhabitants away, and this has been going on since the start of humanity. Tribes want what other tribes have and if they're strong enough, will fight to take it. That doesn't make conquering noble or morally acceptable, but no tribe can claim to be totally free from it.

 

[Hellbilly]

The point being that you cannot credibly state that your tribe has more claim to the land you live on than does anyone else who conquered it and drove the previous inhabitants away, and this has been going on since the start of humanity. Tribes want what other tribes have and if they're strong enough, will fight to take it. That doesn't make conquering noble or morally acceptable, but no tribe can claim to be totally free from it.

Again, thank you for your opinion

 

[Oddball]

 

[Oddball]

here's some that 'disappeared' in the mid-west and east.

12 Native American Tribes Whose Destruction Isn’t Taught in History Class – Country Adventures

www.countryadventures.net

was your tribe involved in their genocide?

They originally viewed the whites as people who could be swayed to join their side, in their endless savage tribal wars.

The "noble peaceful injun" is as phony a fairy tale as there is.

 

[ChemEngineer]

 

[Hellbilly]

 

[Hellbilly]

 

[HaShev]

 

[beagle9]

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Goes for everyone..

 

[Roudy]

It has already been confirmed with DNA evidence.

What are you blabbering? Native Americans invaded, killed, and enslaved each other long before the U.S. was formed and it was far worse than what happened with White people:

Native American tribes frequently attacked, killed, and enslaved one another long before the United States was created. Extensive evidence shows endemic warfare, the capturing of prisoners for adoption or forced labor (often termed "mourning wars"), and territorial disputes existed throughout pre-Columbian North America, with particularly high activity in the Northeast, Southeast, and Great Plains
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• Conflict and Violence: Archaeologists have found numerous skeletal remains with trauma indicating violent conflict, such as projectile points embedded in bones, particularly in the Southwest.
• Territorial Warfare: Tribes engaged in battles for control of resources, trade routes, and territory.
• Enslavement and Captivity: Indigenous slavery was prevalent. Captives were sometimes used for labor or taken during "mourning wars" to replace family members lost to disease or conflict.
• Examples: Iroquoian nations, for example, engaged in intense warfare for captives. The Apache and Sioux also engaged in frequent raiding of other tribes.
• Fortifications: The prevalence of war is evidenced by the construction of large,, fortified palisades around villages, such as those used by Huron and Iroquois nations as early as the year 1000.

 

[Roudy]

What are you blabbering? Native Americans invaded, killed, and enslaved each other long before the U.S. was formed and it was far worse than what happened with White people:

Native American tribes frequently attacked, killed, and enslaved one another long before the United States was created. Extensive evidence shows endemic warfare, the capturing of prisoners for adoption or forced labor (often termed "mourning wars"), and territorial disputes existed throughout pre-Columbian North America, with particularly high activity in the Northeast, Southeast, and Great Plains
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• Conflict and Violence: Archaeologists have found numerous skeletal remains with trauma indicating violent conflict, such as projectile points embedded in bones, particularly in the Southwest.
• Territorial Warfare: Tribes engaged in battles for control of resources, trade routes, and territory.
• Enslavement and Captivity: Indigenous slavery was prevalent. Captives were sometimes used for labor or taken during "mourning wars" to replace family members lost to disease or conflict.
• Examples: Iroquoian nations, for example, engaged in intense warfare for captives. The Apache and Sioux also engaged in frequent raiding of other tribes.
• Fortifications: The prevalence of war is evidenced by the construction of large,, fortified palisades around villages, such as those used by Huron and Iroquois nations as early as the year 1000.

It’s hilarious how they portray native Americans as theses noble peaceful people that couldn’t harm a fly. Exactly the opposite of who and what they were:

Warfare and Conflict

Pre-colonial warfare was motivated by a variety of factors, including territorial disputes, control of resources (such as hunting grounds or trade routes), revenge, and cultural traditions.

• Mourning Wars: Common among Iroquoian-speaking groups in the Northeast, these raids were conducted to capture individuals to replace family members who had died. Captives were often adopted into the tribe, though some were ritually tortured or killed.
• Expansionist Conflicts: Some nations were highly successful expansionists, using warfare to secure advantages in trade and territory. Notable examples include the Iroquois in the Northeast, the Creeks in the Southeast, and the Comanches in the Southwest.
• Scale of Violence: While many conflicts were low-intensity raids, some reached significant scales. The Iroquois Confederacy, for instance, destroyed several neighboring tribes and confederacies, such as the Wendat (Huron), Erie, and Neutral nations, during the 17th-century Beaver Wars.

Indigenous Slavery
Slavery long predated European arrival and was a common practice across diverse social structures. It was primarily a system for gaining honor and power through the domination of a living being, rather than a purely economic labor system.

• Acquisition: Most slaves were acquired as war captives. Enslavement was often viewed as a "social death" and a substitute for actual death in battle.
• Treatment and Status: Slaves were often marked with rituals of dishonor, such as having their hair shorn or being given insulting names. In some Pacific Northwest tribes, like the Haida and Tlingit, slavery was hereditary, and slaves could make up nearly 25% of the population.
• Functions of Slavery:
  • Labor: Slaves performed menial or dangerous work.
  • Ritual and Sacrifice: In cultures like the Maya and Aztec, captives were often used as sacrificial victims for religious ceremonies.
  • Integration: In some North American tribes, captives might eventually be integrated into the tribe as full members.
  • Social Status: In the Pacific Northwest, elite marriages were sometimes sealed by providing slaves as gifts.

 

[Roudy]

It has already been confirmed with DNA evidence.

History proves natives were savages:

Thanksgiving guilt trip: How warlike were Native Americans before Europeans showed up?

www.scientificamerican.com

As I've pointed out previously, prominent scientists now deride depictions of pre-state people as peaceful. "Contra leftist anthropologists who celebrate the noble savage," the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own." According to Pinker, the 17th-century philosopher Thomas Hobbes "got it right" when he called pre-state life a "war of all against all."

In the 2007 HBO docudrama Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Chief Sitting Bull complains to a U.S. Army colonel about whites' violent treatment of the Indians. The colonel retorts, "You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent."

Native Americans definitely waged war long before Europeans showed up. The evidence is especially strong in the American Southwest, where archaeologists have found numerous skeletons with projectile points embedded in them and other marks of violence; war seems to have surged during periods of drought. But scientists such as Pinker, Keeley and LeBlanc have replaced the myth of the noble savage with the myth of the savage savage.