Political Affiliations Tests

[Agnapostate]

Ah, but I'm not anti-government, just anti-interfering government, that IS the difference. Certainly not wanting an overthrow, just leave them out of the schools, bedrooms, boardrooms, etc.

Anarchists aren't necessarily "anti-government" so much as they are anti-hierarchy, i.e. anti-state, anti-capitalism.

 

[Missourian]

I find myself snuggled comfortably between Caligirl and Amanda.

I know, I know, it's tough...but I'm willing to make the sacrifice.

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[Tech_Esq]

Well I guess I'm on the liberal side

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

Right next to Ravi. Great, another one

 

[Agnapostate]

I'm cold and alone.

Tis' the fate of extremists.

 

[Annie]

Anarchists aren't necessarily "anti-government" so much as they are anti-hierarchy, i.e. anti-state, anti-capitalism.

I beg to differ:

Anarchism (political - Hutchinson encyclopedia article about Anarchism (political)

anarchism
Political philosophy that society should have no government, laws, police, or other authority, but should be a free association of all its members. It does not mean ‘without order’, but believes that order can be achieved by cooperation. Anarchism is essentially a pacifist movement and should not be confused with nihilism (a purely negative and destructive activity directed against society).

There are different traditions of anarchism. Religious anarchism, claimed by many anarchists to be shown in the early organization of the Christian church, found expression in the social philosophy of the Russian writer Leo Tolstoy and the Indian nationalist Mahatma Gandhi. Political anarchism can be traced through the British Romantic writers William Godwin and Percy Bysshe Shelley to the 1848 revolutionaries Pierre Joseph Proudhon in France and the Russian Mikhail Bakunin, who had a strong following in Europe. Anarchist communism found expression in the works of the Russian revolutionary Peter Kropotkin. Perhaps the most influential anarchist of the 20th century has been the US linguist Noam Chomsky.

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anarchy definition | Dictionary.com

an⋅ar⋅chy   [an-er-kee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.
3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/libertarian

lib⋅er⋅tar⋅i⋅an   [lib-er-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who advocates liberty, esp. with regard to thought or conduct.
2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will (distinguished from necessitarian ).
–adjective
3. advocating liberty or conforming to principles of liberty.
4. maintaining the doctrine of free will.

http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Political+Libertarian

libertarianism
Political theory that upholds the rights of the individual above all other considerations and seeks to minimize the power of the state to the safeguarding of those rights.

At its most extreme it sees the state as having no legitimate power to interfere with people's lives, since permission for such interference has not been granted by the individual concerned. Individuals should be free to do whatever they like so long as it does not affect the rights of others. Recent advocates have included the philosopher Robert Nozick.

 

[Agnapostate]

That's not an accurate definition, I'm afraid, and that's precisely why I don't use the term "anarchy," but rather anarchism.

"Anarchy" can indeed mean chaos or disorder, but that meaning has never had any meaningful relation with "anarchy" or "anarchism" at a political philosophy.

Anarchism is best described as a political philosophy involving organization via federations of non-hierarchical, decentralized collectives that are operated in a direct democratic manner.

Infoshop.org - An Anarchist FAQ - A.1 What is anarchism?

This might just be a semantics dispute, though. But anarchists do not favor a "law of the jungle" or anything of that sort.

 

[Annie]

That's not an accurate definition, I'm afraid, and that's precisely why I don't use the term "anarchy," but rather anarchism.

"Anarchy" can indeed mean chaos or disorder, but that meaning has never had any meaningful relation with "anarchy" or "anarchism" at a political philosophy.

Anarchism is best described as a political philosophy involving organization via federations of non-hierarchical, decentralized collectives that are operated in a direct democratic manner.

Infoshop.org - An Anarchist FAQ - A.1 What is anarchism?

This might just be a semantics dispute, though. But anarchists do not favor a "law of the jungle" or anything of that sort.

Wrong, regardless of your personal opinion. You'll find the encyclopedic definition encompasses anarchism.

 

[Agnapostate]

Wrong, regardless of your personal opinion. You'll find the encyclopedic definition encompasses anarchism.

Not wrong. The Anarchist FAQ is the foremost source of anarchist theory that exists on the Internet, and analyzes every anarchist and libertarian socialist from Tucker to Proudhon, from Bakunin to Kropotkin.

Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which support the elimination of all forms of compulsory government[1]. The term anarchism derives from the Greek ἀναρχος, anarchos, meaning "without a leader, head or chief", from the prefix ἀν- (an-, "without") + ἄρχή (archê, "sovereignty, realm, magistracy") + -ισμός (-ismos, from a stem -ιζειν, -izein). It is defined by The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics as "the view that society can and should be organized without a coercive state." Specific anarchists may have additional criteria for what constitutes anarchism, and they often disagree with each other on what these criteria are. According to The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, beyond their rejection of compulsory government, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance".

But again, this might simply be a semantics dispute. There is a profound difference between the compulsory association that the state and capitalism promote, and the voluntary association that anarchism seeks to provide.

What specific tenets of anarchist theory are you familiar with?

 

[Annie]

Not wrong. The Anarchist FAQ is the foremost source of anarchist theory that exists on the Internet, and analyzes every anarchist and libertarian socialist from Tucker to Proudhon, from Bakunin to Kropotkin.



But again, this might simply be a semantics dispute. There is a profound difference between the compulsory association that the state and capitalism promote, and the voluntary association that anarchism seeks to provide.

What specific tenets of anarchist theory are you familiar with?

Mostly of the Alinsky modes. Political science major, many moons ago. I tend to go with traditional definitions, thus the reliance on 'definitions' and 'political science info' in my searches. I'm far from anarchism, as nearly every libertarian type person I know is. It's the reason so many practical libertarians find themselves supporting and criticizing the Republican party.

Me? Nutshell: anti-drug laws should be trashed, (no, I don't smoke pot or use any other); the federal government should be concerned only with interstate, foreign, and defensive issues; the 'states' should be non-intrusive regarding private homes, property rights, etc.

 

[Agnapostate]

Mostly of the Alinsky modes. Political science major, many moons ago. I tend to go with traditional definitions, thus the reliance on 'definitions' and 'political science info' in my searches. I'm far from anarchism, as nearly every libertarian type person I know is. It's the reason so many practical libertarians find themselves supporting and criticizing the Republican party.

Me? Nutshell: anti-drug laws should be trashed, (no, I don't smoke pot or use any other); the federal government should be concerned only with interstate, foreign, and defensive issues; the 'states' should be non-intrusive regarding private homes, property rights, etc.

I'd say the more extreme American libertarians would be close to anarcho-capitalism, and in Europe, libertarianism essentially remains a synonym for anarcho-socialism. (Which is itself conventional anarchism.)

Whatever the definitions might be, anarchists certainly don't believe in the permissibility of murder or a law of the jungle or anything like that. Beyond that, I suppose the terms don't really matter.

 

[editec]

To some extent I think everybody is an anarchist.

Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants the government helping them get there.

 

[Agnapostate]

Politopia - The Land of Custom-Made Government

This test is of far worse quality, and is fundamentally biased against libertarian socialists. I'm far more of a civil libertarian than Drew Carey or even Ayn Rand.

 

[Annie]

Politopia - The Land of Custom-Made Government

This test is of far worse quality, and is fundamentally biased against libertarian socialists. I'm far more of a civil libertarian than Drew Carey or even Ayn Rand.

Hmmm,

W-You would feel most at home in the Northwest region. You advocate a large degree of economic and personal freedom. Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand, Jesse Ventura, Milton Friedman, and Drew Carey, and may refer to themselves as "classical liberals," "libertarians," "market liberals," "old whigs," "objectivists," "propertarians," "agorists," or "anarcho-capitalist."

 

[FistyTheBadger]

 

[Agnapostate]

That's why this test is absurd; you're clearly far less of a civil libertarian than I am.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

That's why this test is absurd; you're clearly far less of a civil libertarian than I am.

First, not obviously by a mile. Secondly, I acknowledge that my personal opinions of behaviors is not a valid foundation of political opinions. Political opinions are based on the way you think government operates and should operate.

 

[Agnapostate]

First, not obviously by a mile. Secondly, I acknowledge that my personal opinions of behaviors is not a valid foundation of political opinions. Political opinions are based on the way you think government operates and should operate.

In that case, post your political compass score so that we can more clearly ascertain whether or not I am far more of a civil libertarian than you are.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

In that case, post your political compass score so that we can more clearly ascertain whether or not I am far more of a civil libertarian than you are.

Hehehehe. You can have the title of King of the Molehill, but I am aiming for a far larger hill, one that is a mountain even, called economic libertarianism that scum like you cannot pretend to touch.

 

[Agnapostate]

Hehehehe. You can have the title of King of the Molehill, but I am aiming for a far larger hill, one that is a mountain even, called economic libertarianism that scum like you cannot pretend to touch.

You cannot hope to go anywhere near economic libertarianism considering that you are simply a capitalist schmuck.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

You cannot hope to go anywhere near economic libertarianism considering that you are simply a capitalist schmuck.

Oh, I forgot uthat you suffered from extreme dementia in which the gross delusion that capitalism has no freedom and socialism does plays a promuinent role.