Police State: Police Officer Slays Marine Sergeant In School Parking Lot...

[Againsheila]

What is 'erratic behavior' anyway?

Crashing your SUV through a gate, for starters.

The man should not have been shot and killed.

Even if his children were screaming for help from the back seat?

The kids were out of the car at one point...if the cop thought they were in danger, why wait until they get back in the car and the father starts the car to start shooting?

You do know that sometimes people think kids are screaming when they are having fun, don't you? Or do you have kids?

 

[Againsheila]

What is 'erratic behavior' anyway?

Crashing your SUV through a gate, for starters.

The man should not have been shot and killed.

Even if his children were screaming for help from the back seat?

not a parent are you?

I remember when my son was 4 or 5. It was summer and his bedtime was at 8pm. He couldn't understand why he had to go to bed when it was still light outside. He went to the window and saw all the neighbors out working in the yards and hollered "Help me, Help me, I want to go outside!"

Thank God that cop wasn't there then.

 

[Againsheila]

Crashing your SUV through a gate, for starters.



Even if his children were screaming for help from the back seat?

not a parent are you?

I am. And I would never crash my car through a gate with my kids in the car. You?

I'm not at all certain that happened. Since it was added to the story later, I'm thinking it didn't.

 

[paulitician]

The Police State protects its own. So i'm pretty sure this cop will skate. The Police have been granted special powers & privileges. This cop will never see the inside of a prison cell. Bet on that.

 

[Againsheila]

It was caught on dashcam.

really? Got a link?

www.dashcamsarenotonlinefortheworldtoseeinstantly.com

Whoops! That didn't go well.

Try giving it another chance here:

Didn't work, got another one?

 

[Againsheila]

It was caught on dashcam.

really? Got a link?

Why so combative?

Lets wait and see what transpires.

I want to see what's on tape. Believe me, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize and I want to be wrong.

 

[Annie]

I think this is very sad, something was up with the Marine. Pretty much seems like 'suicide by police,' which is horrible for the police and his daughters.

New Details Released in Marine's Death | NBC San Diego

Too many changes of stories at this point...I still think the shooting was unjustified. As I said, this was his routine, and now all of a sudden something goes wrong? The cop is covering his a** and of course the police counselors got to the kids before their family or friends so even their stories are suspect at this point.

My brother in law worked for the justice system. I know a little something about what really goes down and at this point, I don't belive the cops story. Unless you find a witness who isn't a cop or the kids after they've been brainwashed by the cops psychologists, I have to side with the Marine.

You know, if my husband was shot in front of my kids, I would want to be the first person to talk to them and I would be very upset that they brought in those "specialists" because I know what they can do and they aren't looking for the truth, they are looking for a way to protect the cops.

You say "Too many changes of stories at this point...I still think the shooting was unjustified." Too many changes means what? That the initial story was given, then more details remembered? Ever hear of shock? You really have nothing to base a decision on 'unjustified', other than a marine was killed who was unarmed. A tragedy? Indeed. Unjustified? I'll let the courts settle that one.

 

[Againsheila]

It was caught on dashcam.

really? Got a link?

eventually, the dashcam footage will be 'leaked'. Even if it shows the officer was acting properly under the circumstances, you'll just whine that it was edited or something.

Not at all, I've already said I want to be proven wrong.

 

[Againsheila]

How do you know the conflicting stories are not the result of incompetent reporting?

That could be the case...guess I'm just colored by what I already know about "bad" shooting and cops getting off.

Sure, there are bad cops, and I'll be right there with you if the cops are guilty.

But to presume guilt based on a very short news piece is bad form.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologize.

 

[Againsheila]

It was caught on dashcam.

really? Got a link?

I sure do.

In addition, KABC-TV said the incident was taped on the deputy's dashboard video camera.

Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car - San Clemente, CA Patch

Unlike you liberals idiots I actually take the time to read the articles that are posted.

Now it's a traffic stop? The story just keeps changing, doesn't it? I wanted a link to the dashcam that you claimed the incident was caught on.

 

[Annie]

The Police State protects its own. So i'm pretty sure this cop will skate. The Police have been granted special powers & privileges. This cop will never see the inside of a prison cell. Bet on that.

Bullshit. The 'cops' won't be able to 'protect their own' and they wouldn't want to if an innocent Marine were gunned down. Problem here is that we may well have an innocent marine, that went bonkers to get what he got, in front of his daughters. If you think the cop involved, it that is the case, won't have issues, think again.

 

[Againsheila]

I think this is very sad, something was up with the Marine. Pretty much seems like 'suicide by police,' which is horrible for the police and his daughters.

New Details Released in Marine's Death | NBC San Diego

Too many changes of stories at this point...I still think the shooting was unjustified. As I said, this was his routine, and now all of a sudden something goes wrong? The cop is covering his a** and of course the police counselors got to the kids before their family or friends so even their stories are suspect at this point.

My brother in law worked for the justice system. I know a little something about what really goes down and at this point, I don't belive the cops story. Unless you find a witness who isn't a cop or the kids after they've been brainwashed by the cops psychologists, I have to side with the Marine.

You know, if my husband was shot in front of my kids, I would want to be the first person to talk to them and I would be very upset that they brought in those "specialists" because I know what they can do and they aren't looking for the truth, they are looking for a way to protect the cops.

You say "Too many changes of stories at this point...I still think the shooting was unjustified." Too many changes means what? That the initial story was given, then more details remembered? Ever hear of shock? You really have nothing to base a decision on 'unjustified', other than a marine was killed who was unarmed. A tragedy? Indeed. Unjustified? I'll let the courts settle that one.

Too many changes... first the marine was walking away fromt he cop then turned and the cop felt threatened so he shot him. Then he was getting back into the car and starting it and he felt the children were threatened so he shot him. Then he sped through the gate, then he was acting irrationally and yelling while on the track, then he crashed through the gate, then it was an early morning traffic stop....you don't think that's too many changes?

 

[westwall]

Seriously? Police are trained, unlike military their first thoughts are to talk first, shoot later.

In this case we'll have to wait, but I've no doubt that a police officer that kills anyone, much less a marine is going to be in a bad place, especially an unarmed marine.

Most police are very poorly trained. BART cops in the SF Bay area are notoriously poorly trained. So much so that officers will never call them as back up. This Sgt. has changed his story and that is never good. He either royally screwed up and is trying to cover it up ala Mehserle, or he is having second thoughts about the shooting and changing his story to try and make himself sound better. Either way it is a telling change in his story.

I don't know about 'most' police. I know about those around me. Here they hold a BS in police science or they were MP's in military. The departments spend about $100k in training each for first 2 years and they are never alone during that time. So yeah, there are some that are let go, but I'm fairly confident with those on the street.

With that said, if any of them were making a call and shooting their gun, much less killing someone, there would be a very detailed report. Hopefully we'll get a better picture down the line.

They are taught how to be cops which emphasizes paper work. I am talking about tactical and situational awareness. That takes extensive training that is not taught (other than a one day tactics class for the vast majority) to police officers.

The kind of training I am talking about is put on by Gunsite, Thunder Ranch and a whole host of other specialised training facilities. Police officers will rarely be reimbursed for taking that type of training.

Most cops look at the gun as just a simple tool on their belt. It isn't. It is the most powerful tool they carry, and its misuse leads to pain, anguish and death. They are not trained in its proper use no matter how many will say they are.

I feel that ALL police officers should be required to take at least one of those classes a year and yes, I would happily pay more in taxes to cover that expense. It will pay for itself quickly in reduced lawsuit payouts.

 

[westwall]

Does that change your mind at all, paulitician?

Considering that statement was made by the cops, it didn't change mine.

Let's find an impartial witness. oh wait, there isn't one. What a surprise.

The kids are witnesses. Very biased witnesses toward their father. So why would a cop make up a story about the kids when he knows they would contradict him in a heartbeat if he was lying?

Why is no family member screaming blue bloody hell if the cop is lying? Wouldn't the kids have told a family member in the last seven days the cops lied?

I think it is far more likely there is some very shoddy reporting in all of these stories, and that explains much of the contradictions. It is very common for reporters to get the facts all screwed up. That's why we have trials by juries instead of in the court of public opinion.

Because cops lie all the time. Don't get me wrong I am a firm supporter of the police and help them out with specialised equipment all the time and i am a good friend of several deputies and officers worldwide (it pays to make friends in low places when you travel as much as I do) but I can recall several times while listening to the Oakland PD (where I used to live at the time) on my scanner where one officer would ask for help with soem "creative writing" as it was put, to modify a report.

That is not kosher in any case.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

film at 11?

all those police should have car cams.....wonder what they will show....of course the deputy is trying to cover his ass.....

Shall we hang him too? I thought you were all worried about children, that was your excuse with Sandusky or what ever his name is.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Did the cop holler out "Stop" or anything?????

Does that really matter? He shot the man dead right in front of his children. Whether the cop hollered "Stop" or anything really doesn't matter now for that poor guy and his kids. Murder was not this cop's only recourse. He will have to be held accountable for his crime.

Let me get this straight, he was unarmed? I am a retired Law Enforcement Officer and I do not see the justification for deadly force in the article or why the cop was even there. The article says the father went there with his children often.

 

[paulitician]

Did the cop holler out "Stop" or anything?????

Does that really matter? He shot the man dead right in front of his children. Whether the cop hollered "Stop" or anything really doesn't matter now for that poor guy and his kids. Murder was not this cop's only recourse. He will have to be held accountable for his crime.

Let me get this straight, he was unarmed? I am a retired Law Enforcement Officer and I do not see the justification for deadly force in the article or why the cop was even there. The article says the father went there with his children often.

His 'erratic behavior' story just doesn't cut it. He killed the man and will now have to be held accountable. That being said, i don't think this cop will ever see the inside of a prison cell. Our Police have been granted special powers & privileges. They're above the law now. Welcome to Police State U.S.A.

 

[Againsheila]

Does that change your mind at all, paulitician?

Considering that statement was made by the cops, it didn't change mine.

Let's find an impartial witness. oh wait, there isn't one. What a surprise.

The kids are witnesses. Very biased witnesses toward their father. So why would a cop make up a story about the kids when he knows they would contradict him in a heartbeat if he was lying?

Why is no family member screaming blue bloody hell if the cop is lying? Wouldn't the kids have told a family member in the last seven days the cops lied?

I think it is far more likely there is some very shoddy reporting in all of these stories, and that explains much of the contradictions. It is very common for reporters to get the facts all screwed up. That's why we have trials by juries instead of in the court of public opinion.

Union blames Marine killed by deputy for fatal shooting - latimes.com

Loggins' friends and fellow Marines, who said they were baffled by the incident, described him as a deeply devout Christian who had received good-conduct medals for his military service. Aaron Banks, who served with Loggins and saw him as a mentor, said he didn't believe the union.

"Of course they're going to blame him for his death — why would they admit to murder?" he said. "I believe they're saying what needs to be said to cover their deputy."

The family itself is no doubt in morning, but it's clear what the family friends think.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Does that really matter? He shot the man dead right in front of his children. Whether the cop hollered "Stop" or anything really doesn't matter now for that poor guy and his kids. Murder was not this cop's only recourse. He will have to be held accountable for his crime.

Let me get this straight, he was unarmed? I am a retired Law Enforcement Officer and I do not see the justification for deadly force in the article or why the cop was even there. The article says the father went there with his children often.

His 'erratic behavior' story just doesn't cut it. He killed the man and will now have to be held accountable. That being said, i don't think this cop will ever see the inside of a prison cell. Our Police have been granted special powers & privileges. They're above the law now. Welcome to Police State U.S.A.

There is NO way this is justifiable shooting. Police are taught non-lethal ways first. Shooting someone is last resort and only to protect life. The cop should have tasered or maced him.

 

[g5000]

Too many changes... first the marine was walking away fromt he cop then turned and the cop felt threatened so he shot him. Then he was getting back into the car and starting it and he felt the children were threatened so he shot him. Then he sped through the gate, then he was acting irrationally and yelling while on the track, then he crashed through the gate, then it was an early morning traffic stop....you don't think that's too many changes?

Each one of those stories was told through the filter of a differnt reporter. Reporters frequently get facts wrong.