Police officer fired for having confederate flag in yard

[jc456]

Good. I'm glad the dumb ***** got fired.

So you don't believe in the First Amendment?

Some people believe in the first amendment until they feel offended, then all bets are off. I don't like that flag myself, had a couple of ancestors die on the yankee end of things but the first amendment protects their right to have that flag.

Not if they are a cop. That should be obvious. You cant have cops that support stuff like Nazi's, the KKK, and other hate groups. Its a conflict of interest.

but you can have senators who are making the laws eh? Perhaps you could google Robert Byrd.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Here's the actual relevant case precedent in case anyone wonders


Garcetti v. Ceballos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


SCOTUS has CLEARLY ruled that as a government employee your first amendment rights aren't violated if you exercise them in your official duty and are disciplined, but government employees DO have the right to free speech without fear of discipline in their private lives.

THUS this woman's rights were violated. PERIOD.

 

[ogibillm]

the police department gets to control how they are represented to the public

No, wrong. BECAUSE they are a government entity they MUST respect your first amendment rights. Unlike a private employer who absolutely could fire you for having a confederate flag in your yard.

and they did.

you don't understand what the first amendment protects. that's not my fault

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

 

[jc456]

No, wrong. BECAUSE they are a government entity they MUST respect your first amendment rights. Unlike a private employer who absolutely could fire you for having a confederate flag in your yard.

and they did.

you don't understand what the first amendment protects. that's not my fault

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

 

[ogibillm]

and they did.

you don't understand what the first amendment protects. that's not my fault

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

 

[Fair&Balanced]

No, wrong. BECAUSE they are a government entity they MUST respect your first amendment rights. Unlike a private employer who absolutely could fire you for having a confederate flag in your yard.

and they did.

you don't understand what the first amendment protects. that's not my fault

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

How stupid are you? She was fired for flying a confederate flag on her own private property. As is her right. SCOTUS has ruled that a government agency can NOT fire an employee for exercising their rights in their private lives.

Theoretically speaking a government employee could post "**** Obama right in his Kenyan ass" on their Facebook and not be fired. Well their PRIVATE facebook anyway, if that Facebook acct is in anyway related to their official functions............

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

some things are just true. water is wet, the earth is round, boobs are good, and the confederate rag is now and always has been a symbol of racism and oppression

To some it may be...and to others it may not. You have one way of seeing it, and others do not. I do not agree with your basis, but I do respect your opinion.

That's your problem. you think i'm giving you an opinion.

And you see....you just can't stop...it has be your way and the last word.

buddy it's not my way - it's reality.

there aren't two sides to this coin, there aren't equally valid opinions.

the confederate flag has always been a symbol of racism and oppression.

whatever else anyone wants to pretend it means doesnt change that.

do you understand? nobody can truthfully say that it is not a symbol of racism.

It's just a piece of cloth.

And it TERRIFIES them!

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

 

[ogibillm]

and they did.

you don't understand what the first amendment protects. that's not my fault

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

How stupid are you? She was fired for flying a confederate flag on her own private property. As is her right. SCOTUS has ruled that a government agency can NOT fire an employee for exercising their rights in their private lives.

Theoretically speaking a government employee could post "**** Obama right in his Kenyan ass" on their Facebook and not be fired. Well their PRIVATE facebook anyway, if that Facebook acct is in anyway related to their official functions............

lol. no.

 

[ogibillm]

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

and they didn't

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

How stupid are you? She was fired for flying a confederate flag on her own private property. As is her right. SCOTUS has ruled that a government agency can NOT fire an employee for exercising their rights in their private lives.

Theoretically speaking a government employee could post "**** Obama right in his Kenyan ass" on their Facebook and not be fired. Well their PRIVATE facebook anyway, if that Facebook acct is in anyway related to their official functions............

lol. no.

Um yes moron. See, you posted your stupid opinion I posted actual relevant case law. Do you see the difference?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

and they didn't

Yes they did you moron. They claimed having a confederate flag on HER property violated their policy. They can't have a policy that restricts an employers rights in their private lives.

I get it, you hate that Americans have the right to hang a confederate flag on their own property, but the fact is you are too stupid to understand the broader picture here, the flag is irrelevant, the violation of a right is the important matter here.

 

[jc456]

Oh, the fact that they did it makes it legal? LOL what a stupid thing to say.

no, the fact that the firing did not violate her rights makes it legal.

That' s not a fact , moron. it's your OPINION

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

which were what?

 

[ogibillm]

lol. seriously?
how were her first amendment rights violated?

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

and they didn't

Yes they did you moron. They claimed having a confederate flag on HER property violated their policy. They can't have a policy that restricts an employers rights in their private lives.

if she hadn't been parking the cruiser under the flag you might have a point. she was, thereby tying her racist rag to the police department and creating a situation that would undermine public trust.

she did not have the right to do that

 

[jc456]

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

and they didn't

Yes they did you moron. They claimed having a confederate flag on HER property violated their policy. They can't have a policy that restricts an employers rights in their private lives.

if she hadn't been parking the cruiser under the flag you might have a point. she was, thereby tieing her racist rag to the police department and creating a situation that would undermine public trust.

she did not have the right to do that

huh?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

well that depends, if they told her she lost her job due to the confederate flag, it would be her first amendment right.

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

and they didn't

Yes they did you moron. They claimed having a confederate flag on HER property violated their policy. They can't have a policy that restricts an employers rights in their private lives.

if she hadn't been parking the cruiser under the flag you might have a point. she was, thereby tying her racist rag to the police department and creating a situation that would undermine public trust.

she did not have the right to do that

She MAY have parked the cruiser NEAR the flag . LOL maybe her yard was small, I have no idea. In either case, that's going to be a piss poor defense in a lawsuit.

 

[reconmark]

From the racist comments on this board towards the Black Man, it's obvious her former department made the right choice....

So because you don't like what people are saying about it, you think the First Amendment should not be applied to someone else? I don't see the logic....

Her Rights were never violated, she was not jailed or fined for her speech...therefore no violation exists.
However, her former career required that the public see her as unbiased when dealing with the public.
Supporting a cause/ symbol that called for slavery and treason doesn't support a position of objectivity when encountering minorities...

The same types that support this symbol of hate, racism and treason or usually the one's that start a thread calling Black people "coons" while denying any racist tendencies.

STFU coon.

Why don't you lose your job for being as stupid as her...oh yeah, you lick ass for free...

 

[ogibillm]

she lost her job for violating department rules

You dumb shit, a police department can't have a rule that violates someone's rights.

and they didn't

Yes they did you moron. They claimed having a confederate flag on HER property violated their policy. They can't have a policy that restricts an employers rights in their private lives.

if she hadn't been parking the cruiser under the flag you might have a point. she was, thereby tying her racist rag to the police department and creating a situation that would undermine public trust.

she did not have the right to do that

She MAY have parked the cruiser NEAR the flag . LOL maybe her yard was small, I have no idea. In either case, that's going to be a piss poor defense in a lawsuit.

you are really under the impression that the government cannot make rules about the behavior of its employees outside of the workplace? that government agencies are not able to set rules that protect the agency from the actions of employees?

 

[jillian]

From the racist comments on this board towards the Black Man, it's obvious her former department made the right choice....

So because you don't like what people are saying about it, you think the First Amendment should not be applied to someone else? I don't see the logic....

the first amendment is subject to reasonable regulation. (see limits on commercial speech, defamatory speech and obsenity). when you are an officer, you represent the department and your actions reflect on the department. they get to say how you can act. you are free to not take the job if that offends you.

again, I posted the caselaw and the standard. your preferences are irrelevant.

 

[reconmark]

Regulating off-duty officer behavior will always be a legal challenge, as there is a very fine line between balancing the organization’s right not to employ an unethical officer versus the officer’s right to off-duty privacy. The scales of justice dictate that courts weigh the differing interests of the parties before them and derive a fair and just resolution that benefits the majority’s interests. Philosophically speaking, the majority’s interest in policing must belong to the community the agency serves, not to the organization, individual officers, or the police union. A police agency that drafts and adheres to its own template of accountability demonstrates to its citizens, its employees, and the courts its commitment to provide professional police services by maintaining a level of integrity both professionally and personally.

Labor law, not unlike criminal law, seeks to define employee behavior that violates the rules and regulations of an organization. Mission statements, codes of ethics, and oaths of office provide all employees and policy makers with guidelines for an agency’s expectations for both on- and off-duty behavior. Yet without clear and concise definitions of an agency’s expectations, employees may never truly associate their own immoral off-duty behavior as noncompliant with an agency’s expectations.

The following examples of conduct unbecoming are not cited in order to imply they are the law of the land and must be followed; rather, they are cited as examples of what agencies have had to address regarding legal off-duty behavior by employees that was deemed unethical and resulted in litigation. The profile for off-duty conduct unbecoming cases is simple:

1. Alleged misconduct occurs while an officer is off duty.
2 The alleged misconduct is reported by a citizen, the media, or a fellow officer.
3. The allegation results in an internal investigation.
4. Charges are filed based on the chief’s opinion that the behavior violated the organization’s rules.
5. A disciplinary hearing results in the officer’s discipline: days off without pay, reduction in rank, or termination.
6. A lawsuit is filed by the officer alleging a property loss resulting from the penalty for off-duty legal behavior.

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The bimbo's actions undermine the Department's standing as an unbiased, objective and non-racist organization, coupled with her flagrant lies concerning her knowledge of the rag's history...yeah, file a lawsuit...lol.