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[SweetTea]

There was no case. Investigations tend to produce some tangible evidence. There is none.

I was referring to the case against Burisma. It ended quickly and rather favorably following Shokin’s firing and the hiring of the new guy. Dumb luck for Burisma I guess.

 

[Marener]

I was referring to the case against Burisma. It ended quickly and rather favorably following Shokin’s firing and the hiring of the new guy. Dumb luck for Burisma I guess.

There was no case. Shokin says there was a case, but can’t seem to provide any evidence of it whatsoever.

Who was involved? Can’t say. What were they investigating? Can’t say. What did he find? Can’t say. Who was interviewed? Can’t say.

You’re told to believe it, so you believe it. You don’t need any reason other than it’s convenient for your narrative.

Tell me why I should believe you.

 

[SweetTea]

There was no case. Shokin says there was a case, but can’t seem to provide any evidence of it whatsoever.

Who was involved? Can’t say. What were they investigating? Can’t say. What did he find? Can’t say. Who was interviewed? Can’t say.

You’re told to believe it, so you believe it. You don’t need any reason other than it’s convenient for your narrative.

Tell me why I should believe you.

What are you talking about? If there was no case, why did Biden/Obama fire Shokin and hire another investigator? That investigation did ended in fines, so obviously there was something there. The funny thing is, they actually ended up paying around 8 million dollars in fines of the 70+ million they were accused of owing for tax evasion. They were also accused of not obtaining or illegally obtaining natural resources exa traction licenses. Conveniently enough, the prosecutors office missed the deadline for filing and those charges were dropped.

Zlochevsky exactly what he wanted with Shokin being fired. Maybe Biden and Obama were duped into believing that firing Shokin was the right thing to do, but having Hunter on the board pushing for that narrative looks quite fishy.

This case was too complicated for most to follow. The Bidens and the Obama administration used these complications to obfuscate and confuse many just enough to brush it away. Those that know and understand the details, know differently.

 

[Marener]

What are you talking about? If there was no case, why did Biden/Obama fire Shokin and hire another investigator? That investigation did ended in fines, so obviously there was something there. The funny thing is, they actually ended up paying around 8 million dollars in fines of the 70+ million they were accused of owing for tax evasion. They were also accused of not obtaining or illegally obtaining natural resources exa traction licenses. Conveniently enough, the prosecutors office missed the deadline for filing and those charges were dropped.

Zlochevsky exactly what he wanted with Shokin being fired. Maybe Biden and Obama were duped into believing that firing Shokin was the right thing to do, but having Hunter on the board pushing for that narrative looks quite fishy.

This case was too complicated for most to follow. The Bidens and the Obama administration used these complications to obfuscate and confuse many just enough to brush it away. Those that know and understand the details, know differently.

The fact that you don’t know why anyone wanted Shokin fired is reflective of your media environment depriving you of relevant information contrary to your narrative. It seems impossible that a well informed individual wouldn’t know this.

Are you actually ignorant of the argument for firing Shokin or just trolling?

 

[westwall]

Even better it was a letter, protected by the First Amendment.

I imagine there will be lawsuits.

More likely prosecutions.

 

[Billiejeens]

Using a proxy doesn’t change anything. Election interference applies to foreigners, not citizens.

Even if you could prove they lied (which there’s no evidence of), its still protected by the first amendment.

Trump is using government authority to suppress speech. People will now think twice before criticizing him because they’re afraid of repercussions.

******* clueless -

Stunningly so.

 

[SweetTea]

The fact that you don’t know why anyone wanted Shokin fired is reflective of your media environment depriving you of relevant information contrary to your narrative. It seems impossible that a well informed individual wouldn’t know this.

Are you actually ignorant of the argument for firing Shokin or just trolling?

Did firing Shokin ultimately result in a favorable result for Burisma and their CEO?

Think on that and get back with me.

 

[Marener]

Did firing Shokin ultimately result in a favorable result for Burisma and their CEO?

Think on that and get back with me.

Favorable as compared to what?

You avoided answering my question, which is whether you’re actually ignorant as to the reason many people wanted Shokin gone?

 

[SweetTea]

Favorable as compared to what?

You avoided answering my question, which is whether you’re actually ignorant as to the reason many people wanted Shokin gone?

Favorable compared to just about anything. They paid 10% of the fines and other charges were dropped. They got a slap on the wrist. Why all the drama about firing a prosecutor who supposedly wasn’t doing his job for such a trivial result?

They believed Shokin was corrupt, but again, as you have admitted, people make mistakes. Had Shokin been kept on, Burisma would have been shaken down for bribes maybe? Is that the reasoning? If so, then it makes even more sense for them to hire Hunter to assist in getting Shokin fired.

There is no reasonable spin you can put on this that makes the hiring of Hunter less questionable.

 

[Marener]

Favorable compared to just about anything. They paid 10% of the fines and other charges were dropped. They got a slap on the wrist. Why all the drama about firing a prosecutor who supposedly wasn’t doing his job for such a trivial result?

They believed Shokin was corrupt, but again, as you have admitted, people make mistakes. Had Shokin been kept on, Burisma would have been shaken down for bribes maybe? Is that the reasoning? If so, then it makes even more sense for them to hire Hunter to assist in getting Shokin fired.

There is no reasonable spin you can put on this that makes the hiring of Hunter less questionable.

Where is the reasonable argument that Shokin was fairly investigating Burisma?

So far, all you’ve offered to support that contention is claiming that the people who said he’s corrupt could be wrong.

Sure. They could be, but why should I believe that?

For the record, the guy that the Ukrainians appointed to succeed Shokin was also pretty ineffective and unreliable.

 

[SweetTea]

Where is the reasonable argument that Shokin was fairly investigating Burisma?

So far, all you’ve offered to support that contention is claiming that the people who said he’s corrupt could be wrong.

Sure. They could be, but why should I believe that?

For the record, the guy that the Ukrainians appointed to succeed Shokin was also pretty ineffective and unreliable.

Fairly from whose perspective? Are you saying that Burisma hired Hunter in the hopes of keeping Shokin? If so, they paid him a bunch of money for nothing. That makes little sense. If Shokin was not investing Burisma, then it stands to reason that Burisma would not want him fired. If he was investgating them or was shaking them down for bribes, then they would want him fired. Hiring Hunter would help them to that end with is daddy being VP and appointed the point man for the US for Ukraine.

The replacement being ineffective and unreliable was all to convenient.

This is really a common sense case, but you seem to want to argue against common sense. Hunter wasn’t hired for his expertise. He was hired for influence and getting Shokin fired ultimately helped Burisma.

 

[Marener]

Fairly from whose perspective? Are you saying that Burisma hired Hunter in the hopes of keeping Shokin? If so, they paid him a bunch of money for nothing. That makes little sense. If Shokin was not investing Burisma, then it stands to reason that Burisma would not want him fired. If he was investgating them or was shaking them down for bribes, then they would want him fired. Hiring Hunter would help them to that end with is daddy being VP and appointed the point man for the US for Ukraine.

The replacement being ineffective and unreliable was all to convenient.

This is really a common sense case, but you seem to want to argue against common sense. Hunter wasn’t hired for his expertise. He was hired for influence and getting Shokin fired ultimately helped Burisma.

Fairly from an objective perspective. There is no argument that you’ve put forth to back up any assertion that Shokin wasn’t corrupt. You merely cast doubt upon those with firsthand experience who say he was corrupt.

If Shokin was as corrupt as everyone says, then you don’t need to invent a conspiracy about Burisma bribing Biden to do the thing that everyone wanted anyway.

Burisma wanted credibility and they put people on their board to help with that. It doesn’t have to all revolve around Shokin, you know.