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Poles angry as German tanks are junk

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Food shortages caused by Putin's invasion of Ukraine, which produces over a third of the world's wheat. Maybe more now, since trump decimated U.S. agriculture.
Last time I went to the store, like every other day in my long life, there was wheat available in every form-whole wheat, bleached, unbleached, and seeds to grow your own. I know Trump supports US Agriculture. The bakeries in his hotel restaurant do not have to worry because our national agricultural men can and do grow the finest wheat anywhere on earth, and a lot of it. His support from the men and women of agriculture is quite enthusiastic. And they go to Donald Trump rallies with flags a-wavin'! :yes_text12:

America doesn't have as many acres as Russia, but we hold our own in Wheat exports (we're always in the top 3):

Which country exports the most wheat?
  • Russia: US$7.9 billion (17.6% of total wheat exports)
  • United States:$6.32 billion (14.1%)
  • Canada:$6.3 billion (14%)
  • France:$4.5 billion (10.1%)
  • Ukraine:$3.6 billion (8%)
  • Australia:$2.7 billion (6%)
  • Argentina:$2.12 billion (4.7%)
  • Germany:$2.1 billion (4.7%)
  • Kazakhstan:$1.1 billion (2.5%)
  • Poland:$1 billion (2.3%)
 

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How the fuck can there already be food shortages when the wheat harvest in Ukraine for this season wouldn't have even have started being picked till July?
You fucking idiot.




Russia-Ukraine war: 'Millions' could die globally from wheat shortage, Egypt warns
Egypt has been hit particularly hard by the wheat shortage, as it is the world’s biggest importer of the grain
 

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You fucking idiot.




Russia-Ukraine war: 'Millions' could die globally from wheat shortage, Egypt warns
Egypt has been hit particularly hard by the wheat shortage, as it is the world’s biggest importer of the grain
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Poles angry as German tanks are junk​


Poles are always angry on Germany "since ever" because they are the better Germany with the most important not leading role in Europe. Main slogan of the Polish government: "Germany and the EU are shit! Give us more money!"

A wonder that they do not attack Germany with Polish tanks and the help of Russia now when they found out that our tanks are junk. We Germans on our own did not even know that we had tanks which are able to drive at all.

 
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There were reports that Poland and South Korea signed a deal about delivering hundreds of tanks and howitzers, and 50 (or so) fighter jets to Poland in the coming years. Good replacement for the German tanks, it seems.
 

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There were reports that Poland and South Korea signed a deal about delivering hundreds of tanks and howitzers, and 50 (or so) fighter jets to Poland in the coming years. Good replacement for the German tanks, it seems.
Almost 1000 K2 tanks, 680 K9 self propelled howitzers, and 48 light fighters.

Poland will have the largest ground forces in Europe.

All very modern and capable systems (although I am not really a fan of lead-in fighter/trainers).

Ukraine ordered 100 PzH 2000 self propelled howitzers from Germany, which is a pretty good indicator that they are impressed with them so far...
 

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There were reports that Poland and South Korea signed a deal about delivering hundreds of tanks and howitzers, and 50 (or so) fighter jets to Poland in the coming years. Good replacement for the German tanks, it seems.

Good idea. Tanks are the best weapons to suppress the own people - what often had happened in the Warshaw pact when also Poles for example supressed together with the Russians the Czechs when they tried to install a "socialism with a human face". By the way: Many Scotts financed British tanks in WW1. Side result: The Brits used the same tanks to occupy Scotland.
 
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Almost 1000 K2 tanks, 680 K9 self propelled howitzers, and 48 light fighters.

Poland will have the largest ground forces in Europe.

All very modern and capable systems (although I am not really a fan of lead-in fighter/trainers).

Ukraine ordered 100 PzH 2000 self propelled howitzers from Germany, which is a pretty good indicator that they are impressed with them so far...

Very good idea. Then Germany will need no tanks and no army any longer because the Poles, Ukrainians and the USA will protect us after world war 3. And for this right to protect us they will give us a lot of money and big areas of their countries.

 
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The German Leopard tanks for Poland are not operational. It would take 12 months to restore them, Poland´s Secretary of Defense said. The deal seems to be cancelled. Poland has delivered their T-72 to Ukraine already, though.

So Poland delivered T-72 tanks to the Ukraine on the own costs and likes not to get adequate Leopard 1 tanks from Germany to replace them. What do they like to get instead, Nazi? Armoured limousines for the Mafiosi of their criminal government?
 

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I would think the last thing anyone in Europe would want to see ever again is Germans in good tanks.

Are you sure?

 
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They could barley even walk to Yugoslavia...

Which Yugoslavia? After the NATO had sent soldiers to Yugoslavia the whole situation there escalated completelly in mass-murder and genocides from neighbor against neighbor who had often lived since decades or centuries side by side. All solutions of the winners of World War 1 exploded.
 
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Shit like that caused WWI and WWII.

You call Germans now "shit like this"? Very interesting, Nazi. But I always knew that you are not a German. By the way: About 1/3rd of the SS-members had not been German citizens in 1942 - and how many of the other German citizens in the SS really had been Germans I don't know. Many Poles got for example the German citizenship in this time of history. But now suddenly all Polish had been always nothing else than only glorious anti-fascist heroes while indeed also Poles murdered Jews on racist reasons. A Pole had been in the definition of the Nazis an Aryan.

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Source: ("großer Ariernachweis")
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"Arischer Abstammung (= „deutschblütig“) ist demnach derjenige Mensch,
der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volke aus gesehen, fremdrassigen Bluts-
einschlage ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im euro-
päischen Siedlungsraume lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen #
und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas
(Indianer), während zum Beispiel ein Engländer oder Schwede, ein Franzose oder
Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm
fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muss, mag
er nun in seiner Heimat, in Ostasien oder Amerika wohnen oder
mag er Bürger der United States of America oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaats sein."

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I don't think

That's the normal standard in the English speaking world.

Americans should be concerned who is rampaging through Europe.


In the past 2,000 years, the longest contiguous period of peace has been 33 years. ...

The Europeans in the USA lived nearly always only in peace in this country - but you murdered and murder the same time many people all over America and the rest of the world in your "wars".
 

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Almost 1000 K2 tanks, 680 K9 self propelled howitzers, and 48 light fighters.

Poland will have the largest ground forces in Europe.

All very modern and capable systems (although I am not really a fan of lead-in fighter/trainers).

Ukraine ordered 100 PzH 2000 self propelled howitzers from Germany, which is a pretty good indicator that they are impressed with them so far...
Not exactly. There are reports that the PH 2000 have serious flaws. They can't operate with that chastity the Ukrainian servicemen use them. But it is better that nothing, of course.
 

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Good idea. Tanks are the best weapons to suppress the own people - what often had happened in the Warshaw pact when also Poles for example supressed together with the Russians the Czechs when they tried to install a "socialism with a human face". By the way: Many Scotts financed British tanks in WW1. Side result: The Brits used the same tanks to occupy Scotland.
Not only Poles, but almost all of the Warsaw Pact. The East German soldiers should have taken part in that also, but it was decided to keep them in reserve along the border.

England and Scotland formed the Union a couple of centuries ago, when no tank had been ever projected.
 

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The German Leopard tanks for Poland are not operational. It would take 12 months to restore them, Poland´s Secretary of Defense said. The deal seems to be cancelled. Poland has delivered their T-72 to Ukraine already, though. The Leopard tanks could now be delivered to Ukraine but what can they do with junk tanks? Germany yesterday delivered three Gepard junk tanks to the Ukraine, in response Russia lowered the amounts of Gas for Germany. The Gepards are in a several condition as the Leopards, it is just junk. The Gepard tanks were parked under the sky for years, they are rotten to the core. If Germany sends Leopard junk tanks, Russia could end the gas delivery to Germany.

Holy Cow... a year to be operational.
This is a monumental example of what we conservatives have been saying for decades - The European nations that liberals always want to compare us to, could not exist without the United States military.
If the United States didn't have such enormous military power - Russia would have overtaken all of Eastern Europe 50 years ago.
And done it easily.
And it is still true to this day.... obviously.
 

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Not exactly. There are reports that the PH 2000 have serious flaws. They can't operate with that chastity the Ukrainian servicemen use them. But it is better that nothing, of course.
Reports are some issues with the autoloader, which is not surprising given the amount of use they are getting. Supposedly the parts are en route, or already in Ukraine to replace the worn parts. That's normal with artillery- several of the M777's have gone through at least one (and probably two) barrel replacements by now.

If they were as bad as some people are claiming, I don't think the UA would be keen on getting more of them- there are a lot of alternatives out there.
 

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Poles are always angry on Germany "since ever" because they are the better Germany with the most important not leading role in Europe. Main slogan of the Polish government: "Germany and the EU are shit! Give us more money!"

A wonder that they do not attack Germany with Polish tanks and the help of Russia now when they found out that our tanks are junk. We Germans on our own did not even know that we had tanks which are able to drive at all.


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Woke Armies are Dead armies
 

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Reports are some issues with the autoloader, which is not surprising given the amount of use they are getting. Supposedly the parts are en route, or already in Ukraine to replace the worn parts. That's normal with artillery- several of the M777's have gone through at least one (and probably two) barrel replacements by now.

If they were as bad as some people are claiming, I don't think the UA would be keen on getting more of them- there are a lot of alternatives out there.
The UA army is keen to get whatever it can, and the more the better. There isn't too much choice.
 

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