PM to Abbas

[Phoenall]

...stop the lies

That would be good, unfortunately that's what the Zionists and their stooges have been doing since the late 19th century, it would probably be impossible for them to stop now.

According to rat boy the neo marxist on orders from his imam, when the truth is the neo marxists and the islqamonazi's are the ones spreading the LIES

 

[Phoenall]

This is what palestinians want

Exactly right. They want Zionist Israel to stop the brutal oppression of women and children and go back to the pre-1967 lines. Nutandyahoo, on the other hand wants a continuing conflict so he can carry on building his illegal colonies to make a Palestinian state impossible. he said so himself.

Have you rtead the palestinians charters lately and seen what they say. They want the complete genocide of all the Jews and the destruction of Israel. They only want a temporary truce so they can build up their forces and weapons before attacking without notice the Jews, they do not want a lasting peace as they see that as them being emasculated

 

[aris2chat]

 

[Shusha]

For hundreds of years there was peace in Palestine. Generation after generation of Muslims, Christians, and Jews living together.

Then the Zionists came and there has been death and destruction ever since. Look at the wars. Israel and Palestine. Israel and Lebanon. Israel and Syria. Israel and Jordan. Israel and Egypt.

You sound like Trump. "White people were getting along just fine until the blacks, and the Mexicans showed up and the Injuns started tried to get off their reservations and mix with the rest of us."

Its the same argument that someone else tried to pull yesterday -- that the mere presence of Jews is the cause of the all the troubles.

Its the same argument made here over and over and over by you, and by Challenger, Freeman and a host of others. Its the argument made by Hamas in their Covenant, by Abbas in his speeches, by the international community and the UN in their unreasonable demands on Israel.

The Jews have no right to be here. The Jews have no rights to this land. The Jews have no rights to self-determination. The Jews have no rights to any kind of sovereignty. The Jews don't exist. The Jews have no culture. The Jews are not really Jews. The Jews are not a people. The Jews are not an ethnicity. The Jews have no history here. The Jews, and all their holy places, are just myths. The Jews were eradicated.

The problem is not that the Jews exist and are present on our historical territory. The problem is that the Arab Muslims won't accept the simple truth that the Jewish people -- just like any other people -- have the moral right to an historical self-identity.as a nation.

Once the Arab Muslims can embrace the idea of a State for the Jewish people alongside a State for the Palestinian people -- peace will come easy. We've known the solution for peace for a hundred years.

 

[Shusha]

That's why Abbas won't deal with him, he can't be trusted, has no desire for peace, just loves killing inncocent men women and children to further his "Greater Israel project".

Yep. One of the oldest ways of never having to make peace with someone is to just project them as evil. sarcasm The Jews have never seen that before. /sarcasm.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Truthfully, in the past Netanyahu has said in Hebrew (which I understand) that everyone knows a Palestinian state would become a hotbed of Islamic terror, and therefore a Palestinian state would not arise under his watch.

OMG Nutandyahoo is a hoot. He has been a lying sack of shit his whole life.

For hundreds of years there was peace in Palestine. Generation after generation of Muslims, Christians, and Jews living together.

Then the Zionists came and there has been death and destruction ever since. Look at the wars. Israel and Palestine. Israel and Lebanon. Israel and Syria. Israel and Jordan. Israel and Egypt.

You don't need a PhD to detect a common denominator here.

And the history books say that you are lying as there has never been peace in the area and non muslims were subject to dhimmi laws and the jizya tax.

Yes do look at these wars, everyone instigated by islamonazi violence because the Jews refused to be ruled by islam any more. The muslims lost a ready supply of money and food so decided to attack the Jews and ended up getting the crap beat out of them every time.

And you will never get a PhD being so illiterate, just read the many charters of the islamic groups attacking Israel and see who is instigating the violence. Your own peoples words put you on the spot

It is you who needs to read up. The Ottoman Empire eliminated dhimmi laws and the jizya tax some time before its demise and the Palestinians did not want any religious designation. It was the Mandate and the Zionists who wanted to divide people by religion.

DID THEY then you will have no problem producing a LINK that says this. As the arab muslims from the area were still enforcing them right up until 1948 when Israel declared independence. These laws have been in place in the ottoman empire for all of its existence, and are still in place today in gaza

The collection of the jizya tax from non-Muslims was widespread throughout the history of Islam. In the mid-19th century, the Ottoman Empire significantly relaxed the restrictions and taxes placed on its non-Muslim residents under Ottomanism. These relaxations occurred gradually as part of the Tanzimat reform movement, which began in 1839 with the accession of the Ottoman Sultan, Abdülmecid I.[citation needed]

On November 3, 1839, the Edict of Gülhane (Hatt-i Sharif of Gulhane) edict was put forth by the Sultan, in part proclaiming the principle of equality among all subjects regardless of religion. Part of the motivation for this was a desire to gain support from the British Empire, whose help was needed in a conflict with Egypt.[citation needed]

On February 18, 1856, the Ottoman Reform Edict of 1856 (Hatt-i Humayan) was issued, building upon the 1839 edict. It came about partly as a result of pressure from and the efforts of the ambassadors of Great Britain, France, and Austria, whose respective countries were needed as allies in the Crimean War. It again proclaimed the principle of equality between Muslims and non-Muslims, and produced many specific reforms to this end. For example, the jizya tax was abolished and non-Muslims were allowed to join the army.[46][47]

Dhimmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where are the exports?

Without exports they will have no money to run an economy. That is why their economy crashed leaving them dependent on handouts. All of the aid is sustenance, nothing for development.

Until they can import what they need to run their farms and factories, and export for cash, there will be no economy.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I do not agree. While I would admit that the Palestinians are at somewhat of a disadvantage, they are not beyond development of an economy. (We've talked about this before.) Any disadvantage they encounter today is largely of their own making.

QUOTE="P F Tinmore, post: 14785080, member: 21837"]

Where are the exports?

Without exports they will have no money to run an economy. That is why their economy crashed leaving them dependent on handouts. All of the aid is sustenance, nothing for development.

Until they can import what they need to run their farms and factories, and export for cash, there will be no economy.

(COMMENT)

Yes, the threat potential for letting loose the Palestinians on the world, does make it more difficult in terms of an economy that has good ratio's in Export : Import $ values; they do export. And if the focused more on the peaceful development of commercial and industrial aspects for their nation, they could even make a go of it. But they need two important things:

• Good Leadership
• Control of Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) entities.
• And a national will to push their country to better economic conditions.
​

SOURCE: Trading Economics
​

All the Palestinians need to do is to work at setting condition, such that, the general factor that lead to the positive economic development are most conducive. As long as it is more important to the HoAP to export violence, jihadism, and terrorism, the more that condition will become more restrictive.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

...Yep. One of the oldest ways of never having to make peace with someone is to just project them as evil...

Exactly right, the Zionists are so full of fear and hatred towards the Palestinians they've been doing that exact thing for decades; so much so that now they just can't or won't see it. Anything to avoid making a just and lasting peace, that's Zionism for you.

 

[aris2chat]

Where are the exports?

Without exports they will have no money to run an economy. That is why their economy crashed leaving them dependent on handouts. All of the aid is sustenance, nothing for development.

Until they can import what they need to run their farms and factories, and export for cash, there will be no economy.

gaza won't send many foods they grow to Israel. They would rather let it rot.

Eid the crossing was closed by the palestinians. Trucks came the next day.

Closings are two way matter, not just Israeli.

Trade has to want to be exported. Hamas has to approve the exports.

 

[Challenger]

Any disadvantage they encounter today is largely of their own making.

Zionist Israel controls their economy, borders, airspace and territorial waters, 80% of their exports go to the Zionist state which also controls the prices they can charge.

 

[aris2chat]

and this started about five points for peace talks

 

[Challenger]

The Jews have no right to be here. The Jews have no rights to this land. The Jews have no rights to self-determination. The Jews have no rights to any kind of sovereignty. The Jews don't exist. The Jews have no culture. The Jews are not really Jews. The Jews are not a people. The Jews are not an ethnicity. The Jews have no history here. The Jews, and all their holy places, are just myths. The Jews were eradicated.

By George, I think he's finally got it.

 

[Shusha]

and this started about five points for peace talks

Which are essentially nothing more than a request for the end of terrorism.

 

[Shusha]

The Jews have no right to be here. The Jews have no rights to this land. The Jews have no rights to self-determination. The Jews have no rights to any kind of sovereignty. The Jews don't exist. The Jews have no culture. The Jews are not really Jews. The Jews are not a people. The Jews are not an ethnicity. The Jews have no history here. The Jews, and all their holy places, are just myths. The Jews were eradicated.

By George, I think he's finally got it.

Oh, I've had it for many years now. As have all the Jewish people. It is, very literally, a fight for survival for us. A fight to exist. A fight for recognition and equal rights. A fight against antisemitism.

Thank you for acknowledging that.

 

[Challenger]

and this started about five points for peace talks

No, it started with a condescending propaganda lecture designed for consumption by a gullable American audience.

 

[Shusha]

and this started about five points for peace talks

No, it started with a condescending propaganda lecture designed for consumption by a gullable American audience.

Really? So, the end of terrorism is not a requirement for peace?

 

[Shusha]

There can be no peace while one side refuses to acknowledge the other's right to exist.

 

[aris2chat]

and this started about five points for peace talks

No, it started with a condescending propaganda lecture designed for consumption by a gullable American audience.

did you get that from some underground new paper?

 

[Challenger]

The Jews have no right to be here. The Jews have no rights to this land. The Jews have no rights to self-determination. The Jews have no rights to any kind of sovereignty. The Jews don't exist. The Jews have no culture. The Jews are not really Jews. The Jews are not a people. The Jews are not an ethnicity. The Jews have no history here. The Jews, and all their holy places, are just myths. The Jews were eradicated.

By George, I think he's finally got it.

Oh, I've had it for many years now. As have all the Jewish people. It is, very literally, a fight for survival for us. A fight to exist. A fight for recognition and equal rights. A fight against antisemitism.

Thank you for acknowledging that.

Jewish people get along wherever they chose to live, just ask the 60% of Jewish people that chose not to live in the Zionist paradise. It's the Zionist element that think it's fine to take other people's territory, slaughter and evict them, occupy and oppress them that are the problem. I've no issue with anyone's religious beliefs, except when those beliefs are highjacked to create a fantasy "racial narrative" that somehow decides it has a better right to a bit of land than the native people do.