Please prove to me that blacks are our equals?

[ScienceRocks]

Funny how you ignore the posts that directly contradict yours... by explaining the bullshit 'science' you're quoting... and outlining why it's bullshit. Proves that I have a point and you don't like it.

You guys haven't disproven any of Matthew's major points. Blacks as a group are more violent and less intelligent. That isn't a racist slur, its a statement of measured fact. The only argument you guys have is that blacks would be smarter and less violent if they were some how treated better. Well, whites would be more successful if they were treated better as well. Not only that, but the dividend for improving conditions for poor and dull whites would be higher.

Well I kinda did just that. I provided actual data links websites names and all sorts of shit he could research. He asked for it and I gave it to him and he asked for links and I gave them to him and he hasn't gotten back to me yet

Taking a sample of rich blacks and comparing them to poor white gang members. Isn't the best way to argue population.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I found my link!
NAEP - 2009 Reading: Grade 8 State Results

Black, white, asian by grade level!

MISS 8th grade for
blacks 240
Whites 267

AL
268 for whites
243 for blacks

Oregon
248 for blacks
269 for whites

Ohio
247 for blacks
274 for whites

PA
275 for Whites
244 for blacks

So blacks are why the south is held down!

Blacks are 240-250 across the nation
Whites are 265-275 across the nation

 

[ScienceRocks]

Math

NAEP - Mathematics 2011: Grade 8 State Results

Miss
whites 283
black 255

Al
whites 280
black 250

Ga
whites 290
black 262

OR
whites 287
black 263

Ohio
Blacks 263
Whites 295


Should be clear by now! This is what I call a fact.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Give us the links for schools in the same demographic and same level of incomes.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

They are equal because they breathe.

 

[sealadaigh]

Please prove with real data that blacks are our equals in intellect. The link within my sig has all the SAT, ACT, IQ data to show that I have a solid case.

Please show me how I am wrong??? If not then show me how it isn't genetic?

whay difference does it make?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Matthew clearly proves he is the inferior person here with his silly posting.

 

[IanC]

Funny how you ignore the posts that directly contradict yours... by explaining the bullshit 'science' you're quoting... and outlining why it's bullshit. Proves that I have a point and you don't like it.

You guys haven't disproven any of Matthew's major points. Blacks as a group are more violent and less intelligent. That isn't a racist slur, its a statement of measured fact. The only argument you guys have is that blacks would be smarter and less violent if they were some how treated better. Well, whites would be more successful if they were treated better as well. Not only that, but the dividend for improving conditions for poor and dull whites would be higher.

Prove what? His data is suspect and current statiscal research such as longitudinal studies show different results.

As far as intelligence its controversial and many time participating subjects may come bad backgrounds. If in fact there is some real significance then studies would include confounding variables such as environment, level of education of the parents, etc

I entertained this long enough though.

the problem is that many people just dont think any of this through, and confuse the different aspects.

I believe that intelligence is the biggest factor in human success. it is certianly not the only factor, just the most important, the one that explains life trajectories better than anything else we can attempt to measure.

all intelligence tests, for as long as tests have been around, find that blacks are roughly one standard deviation lower than whites. tens of millions of data points in IQ tests, SATs, ACT, aptitude tests, etc, etc. there is no doubt that blacks as a group have less of the brain processing skills that we consider the basic building blocks of 'intelligence'.

you can't argue the existence of the gap but you can argue the reason for it. genetics is the biggest factor in body physiology, which includes the brain and how it functions. it is certainly not the only factor, just the most important one which explains body type and development better than anything else we can measure.

genetics is the reason behind the different size and shape of brains, the speed of impulses and the number of connections, etc, etc. MRI has vastly improved the ability to measure the parts of the brain that are intimately involved with thought and reasoning. the correlation coefficients make other types of scientists weep with envy. blacks follow the same rules of genetic inheritance as any other group but one of the most interesting aspects is that (american) blacks follow a 'regression to the mean' back to IQ85, whereas whites regress towards IQ100.

let's talk about environment, which includes culture. at the time of conception every baby has a genetically controlled top potential for intelligence. environment only reduces this potential, it cannot improve it. none of us ever achieves our top potential. this is where the leftist talking points come in. extremely bad nutrition, or injury, or illness can physically reduce the ability of the brain to grow and function. I am unaware of any studies that show traumatic injuries and illness so prevelent in blacks that there is measurable decrease in brain function. nor are there sizable portions of the black population that live under the extreme famine conditions that stunt tissue growth, in fact I believe obesity is much more common but I fail to see the mechanism of brain insult from being fat.

next comes the bad schools, low expectations, racism excuses. a child may not learn as much in a poor school but how does that get into his brain and damage it? are low expectations the product of racism or simply a realistic adaptation to the child's abilities? again, what is the mechanism that reaches in and damages the kid's brain? intelligence is there whether you measure it or not. why do poor schools, poor parents, crummy surroundings seem to effect blacks so much more than whites? why do blacks under favourable conditions still underperform whites under bad conditions? is there some mysterious 'factor X' that only affects blacks? dont laugh, it has been looked for and even proposed as an excuse (with a straight face).

culture is an excuse for under performance caused by bad character BUT it is not is not an excuse for the physical differences in brain activity that correlate to intelligence levels.

to sum up - real difference in intelligence that can be measured either by test or by physiological differences. principally controlled by genetics that operate the same way in all races. poorly understood environmental component that defies logical correlation and a physical basis of explanation, which affects blacks all out of proportion to other races.

Occam's Razor is needed here to cut away the bullshit that is needed to turn reality into 'everybody is equal in every way'.

PS the Armed Forces only accepts recruits with IQ90+. they tried taking lower, once on purpose and once by accident, and it was a disaster. so IQ90 is pretty close to the cut off for a trainable competent human that can be expected to perform a standard technology based job. most blacks are unable to meet the requirements.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You don't have scientific data on all "blacks" to conclude 'most blacks are unable to meet the requirements.'

 

[IanC]

You don't have scientific data on all "blacks" to conclude 'most blacks are unable to meet the requirements.'

black average for IQ is 85 and spread in a normal curve. by definition a cutoff of IQ90 will leave more than half below that threshhold

 

[ScienceRocks]

You don't have scientific data on all "blacks" to conclude 'most blacks are unable to meet the requirements.'

black average for IQ is 85 and spread in a normal curve. by definition a cutoff of IQ90 will leave more than half below that threshhold

These people don't even bring real data to the debate...Yet, they can say this shit, ianc. These anti-racist make me laugh.

I posted the 4th and 8th grade data for every race and state a few post above yours.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The point scoring for black is about 10 to 12 points higher than that, and white scores are inflated by 4 to 6 points.

The difference is cultural background and education, not genetics.

Try again.

You don't have scientific data on all "blacks" to conclude 'most blacks are unable to meet the requirements.'

black average for IQ is 85 and spread in a normal curve. by definition a cutoff of IQ90 will leave more than half below that threshhold

 

[BBCAmerica]

You guys haven't disproven any of Matthew's major points. Blacks as a group are more violent and less intelligent. That isn't a racist slur, its a statement of measured fact. The only argument you guys have is that blacks would be smarter and less violent if they were some how treated better. Well, whites would be more successful if they were treated better as well. Not only that, but the dividend for improving conditions for poor and dull whites would be higher.

Well I kinda did just that. I provided actual data links websites names and all sorts of shit he could research. He asked for it and I gave it to him and he asked for links and I gave them to him and he hasn't gotten back to me yet

Taking a sample of rich blacks and comparing them to poor white gang members. Isn't the best way to argue population.

So are you saying that the kids that attend the Harlem Children's Zone are rich kids?
But never mind that. What I am saying is that if you take the best HOME SCHOOLED black kids and put the against the best PUBLIC or PRIVATE SCHOOLED white kids. The white kids would be toast. Also did you ever wonder why you never see these stats on racial achievement gaps abroad? Yeah because there aren't any. And I think that we all know that among industrialized nations we are far dummer than most.

 

[BBCAmerica]

You don't have scientific data on all "blacks" to conclude 'most blacks are unable to meet the requirements.'

black average for IQ is 85 and spread in a normal curve. by definition a cutoff of IQ90 will leave more than half below that threshhold

These people don't even bring real data to the debate...Yet, they can say this shit, ianc. These anti-racist make me laugh.

I posted the 4th and 8th grade data for every race and state a few post above yours.

You keep posting public school data. I already told you that this is old news. The new news is why is this data not the same when comparing home schooled kids or the black kids that attend the Harlem Children's Zone.
If this IQ shit is really real then how how can 100% of a poor black school out perform the entire state of NY?


PROMISE ACADEMY

100% of third graders at Promise Academies I and II tested at or above grade level on the math exam, outperforming their peers in New York State, New York City, District 5, and black and white students throughout the state

Over 98% of Promise Academy II's students scored at or above grade level on the math exam, outperforming their counterparts in New York State, New York City and District 5, as well as black and white students in New York State

In English and Language Arts (ELA), over 93% of Promise Academy I third graders tested at or above grade level, outperforming New York State, New York City and District 5 peers, as well as black and white students in New York State

Over 84% of Promise Academy II's students scored at or above grade level in ELA, outperforming on average their counterparts in New York State, New York City and District 5, as well as black students in New York City

In 2008, 93% of Promise Academy High School ninth graders passed the statewide Algebra Regents exam.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The point is tht Matthew and Ianc and the rest of the racists are just that, racists, and they won't change.

We will just keep working on the children of racists as we do here in our schools, where we do a great job of education and a great job of respect for others.

 

[Unkotare]

And I think that we all know that among industrialized nations we are far dummer than most.

No, "we" don't know that.

 

[IanC]

black average for IQ is 85 and spread in a normal curve. by definition a cutoff of IQ90 will leave more than half below that threshhold

These people don't even bring real data to the debate...Yet, they can say this shit, ianc. These anti-racist make me laugh.

I posted the 4th and 8th grade data for every race and state a few post above yours.

You keep posting public school data. I already told you that this is old news. The new news is why is this data not the same when comparing home schooled kids or the black kids that attend the Harlem Children's Zone.
If this IQ shit is really real then how how can 100% of a poor black school out perform the entire state of NY?


PROMISE ACADEMY

100% of third graders at Promise Academies I and II tested at or above grade level on the math exam, outperforming their peers in New York State, New York City, District 5, and black and white students throughout the state

Over 98% of Promise Academy II's students scored at or above grade level on the math exam, outperforming their counterparts in New York State, New York City and District 5, as well as black and white students in New York State

In English and Language Arts (ELA), over 93% of Promise Academy I third graders tested at or above grade level, outperforming New York State, New York City and District 5 peers, as well as black and white students in New York State

Over 84% of Promise Academy II's students scored at or above grade level in ELA, outperforming on average their counterparts in New York State, New York City and District 5, as well as black students in New York City

In 2008, 93% of Promise Academy High School ninth graders passed the statewide Algebra Regents exam.

BBCA- Im not sure of what you want me to take away from your link to HCZ. Canada has certainly done an excellent job but I dont see that comparing the results of a school where the student/teacher ratio is 6/1, the classroom hours are extended (almost double), no teacher's union to deal with, parental involvement is mandated, funding is tripled by donations, and Canada's charisma and leadership is given free reign, compared to average schools is meaningful.

here is an illustrative anecdote. I sent my kids to a small catholic high school where literally half of the incoming grade 8 boys were on the football team every year. they won the provincial championship 10 years in a row despite being considerably smaller in size than almost any other team. the odds against that happening are many billions to one. do you think it was outstanding atheletic prowess, or outstanding coaching combined with more practise?

how many examples can you show me of schools where black and white students, under the same conditions, do equally as well? they are as rare as hen's teeth, that's why 'reasons' are needed so that the disparity can be blamed on something. any reason besides the obvious measured difference in intelligence, that is.

I think that 100 IQ100 blacks would outperform 100 IQ85 whites in a school setting under equal conditions. I dont particularly care about race at all, I care about the obvious relationship that intelligence has with social traits.

 

[JakeStarkey]

IanC's silly article above is rare as hen's teeth for truth. He has no regard for truth. For example, Canada: teacher unions' demand fair collective bargaining process Education International - Canada: teacher unions

Send children to the same type of elite schooling and they will do well.

 

[IanC]

IanC's silly article above is rare as hen's teeth for truth. He has no regard for truth. For example, Canada: teacher unions' demand fair collective bargaining process Education International - Canada: teacher unions

Send children to the same type of elite schooling and they will do well.

???

ahhhh. Canada the educator, not Canada the country. try to keep up with the subject

Geoffrey Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ah, IanC, who does not want to go for all the facts.

Stay focused, which is the major problem for a racialist.