Please critique my proposed policy to ensure an honest vote

[Crick]

So your solution to a non existent problem which has been manufactured by one side to suppress the vote, is to help suppress the vote...
No one has proven any thing close to mass voter fraud in an election...

I think you also forget one thing,

You have a right to vote....
That is in the constitution. You need a reason to take away that right and inventing a false problem doesn't count.

We know why GOP want it:

Trump says Republicans would âneverâ be elected again if it was easier to vote

President dismissed Democratic-led push for voter reforms amid coronavirus pandemic during Fox & Friends appearance

www.theguardian.com

But it is a right...

Here are just one example of how disgusting your suggestions are here: "sufficiently mentally competent ". Who judges that... Many people on this forum have stated if you vote Democrats you are not sufficiently mentally competent. How does that work?

Where in the constitution does it claim that you can loose your right to vote if you don't participate? Let's be very clear the people who tried to suppress the vote in Selma... Please know a bit of history, know how people have had there vote suppressed and taken away from them in the past...
Please don't say this is a thing of the past... The people of Florida voted overwhelming to give past felons the right to vote... The GOP spent there time doing the most they can to stop those people being allowed to vote... This is today...


So your suggestions are pretty disgusting IMHO... They are to restrict voting not expand it... Where are the mandatory minimum voting places so everyone can vote especially in urban areas... Voting in other countries takes minutes, no queues, quick and easy... Mail in voting is popular highest democracies around the world.

GOP doesn't like loosing and instead of actually coming up with policies that the people want they want to corrupt democracy. Shame on you helping them

Bravo Zulu. Right On The MONEY!

 

[healthmyths]

I like it.

I have a minor issue with item #4 under "Registration".

I would prefer to put the number of missed elections at two consecutive (or maybe even three) before removing someone from the rolls and requiring them to re-register.

In every instance, every person voting should have a state or federally issued ID in order to vote. If you don't have that, stay home...

I just finished mailing my absentee ballot in and the issue is my signature. That will always be the weak point. What may eliminate that weakness would be a method to verify the signature. There are some ideas but I'd like to share later.
But as a forum member tell me which is the true signature of the attached.

 

[Foxfyre]

And computers can count more accurately than humans. No evidence supporting any of Mike Lindell's or Sydney Powell's accusations of voting machine fraud has EVER been presented to a court of law.

I am not speaking of any person's theory about anything. I am speaking of restoring the people's confidence in the election policies and process. You obviously don't want to do that so oh well.

 

[Foxfyre]

I just finished mailing my absentee ballot in and the issue is my signature. That will always be the weak point. What may eliminate that weakness would be a method to verify the signature. There are some ideas but I'd like to share later.
But as a forum member tell me which is the true signature of the attached.
View attachment 708730

I am of the opinion that a mail in ballot should not only be signed with an affidavit that the person's name, address, and voter registration are authentic, but it should be notarized. All my life I never write my name precisely in the same way either.

 

[Foxfyre]

So your solution to a non existent problem which has been manufactured by one side to suppress the vote, is to help suppress the vote...
No one has proven any thing close to mass voter fraud in an election...

I think you also forget one thing,

You have a right to vote....
That is in the constitution. You need a reason to take away that right and inventing a false problem doesn't count.

We know why GOP want it:

Trump says Republicans would âneverâ be elected again if it was easier to vote

President dismissed Democratic-led push for voter reforms amid coronavirus pandemic during Fox & Friends appearance

www.theguardian.com

But it is a right...

Here are just one example of how disgusting your suggestions are here: "sufficiently mentally competent ". Who judges that... Many people on this forum have stated if you vote Democrats you are not sufficiently mentally competent. How does that work?

Where in the constitution does it claim that you can loose your right to vote if you don't participate? Let's be very clear the people who tried to suppress the vote in Selma... Please know a bit of history, know how people have had there vote suppressed and taken away from them in the past...
Please don't say this is a thing of the past... The people of Florida voted overwhelming to give past felons the right to vote... The GOP spent there time doing the most they can to stop those people being allowed to vote... This is today...


So your suggestions are pretty disgusting IMHO... They are to restrict voting not expand it... Where are the mandatory minimum voting places so everyone can vote especially in urban areas... Voting in other countries takes minutes, no queues, quick and easy... Mail in voting is popular highest democracies around the world.

GOP doesn't like loosing and instead of actually coming up with policies that the people want they want to corrupt democracy. Shame on you helping them

Voting is privilege reserved for those who meet the requirements to vote legally meaning they are of legal age, that they reside in the precinct they will vote in, they are citizens, and they are who they say they are. Or at least that's the way it used to be. The way it should be.

 

[rightwinger]

I did report it. I have witnessed where a 'misplaced' ballot box was amazingly found just in time to reverse the vote in a close election and in that particular state that is not an uncommon occurrence. I have twice observed when people signing in at the poll reported that somebody recently deceased was signed in ahead of them. That state does not require Voter ID/Photo ID. Working at the polls I have handed ballots to people I just had a gut feeling were not who they claimed to be, but we were not allowed to ask for ID.

OK
What were in the ballots?

Did the numbers of total ballots cast in your district match the voter logs of who cast ballots?

I bet they did
If so, there is no voter fraud

 

[Foxfyre]

OK
What were in the ballots?

Did the numbers of total ballots cast in your district match the voter logs of who cast ballots?

I bet they did
If so, there is no voter fraud

If you think dead people voting is not fraudulent, then oh well. Have a lovely evening.

 

[Canon Shooter]

But as a forum member tell me which is the true signature of the attached.
View attachment 708730

What exactly are you asking here?

There's no way for anyone here to select the actual signatures of the people named...

 

[rightwinger]

If you think dead people voting is not fraudulent, then oh well. Have a lovely evening.

Dead people voting is EXTREMELY RARE
When it happens, it is a big story and is severely prosecuted

In cases like yours, it is usually a case of someone signing on the wrong line or with a similar name

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Decades ago there was cheating and hanky panky in elections, but never did we have an electorate as suspicious and convinced of malfeasance or as fearful that elections can be stolen as we have now. Without faith that elections are fair and honest, it is unlikely that our constitutional republic will survive.

So I propose what I believe is a system/policy that, if implemented, will ensure roughly 99.9% honest and fair elections. Do you agree? If not please state your reason why it would be bad policy.

PHOTO ID:
Any person who is unable to secure a certified Driver's License w/photo or other valid photo ID may provide proof of citizenship and residence and apply for a free photo ID in the city or county where the person resides.

REGISTRATION:
All U.S. citizens who are not felons and who are sufficiently mentally competent to register to vote via their own intentional effort should go to the city or county clerk's office where they reside and:
1. Provide certified photo ID, proof of citizenship, proof of home residency, proof of age.
2. Anyone who moves out of his/her precinct must re-register in order to be allowed to vote.
3. Voter registration must be done 2 to 6 weeks prior to the election so that the person can be added to the official voter rolls.
4. Any person not voting in either the primary or general election in any given election year will be dropped from the voter rolls and must re-register to vote.
5. Some provision will be made for those who otherwise qualify but cannot physically go to the city or county clerk's office to register but the registration must be taken by a person with the city or county clerk's office.
5. Anyone falsifying his/her voter registration or knowingly accepting or creating fake registrations is subject to prosecution for a felony offense and, if convicted, will be subject to fine and/or imprisonment.

ELECTIONS:
1. All persons physically able must go to the polls in their assigned precinct personally and present positive certified photo ID and certify under oath that they live at the address shown on their voter registration. Early voting if allowed in any state may not exceed ten days prior to election day and must include all safeguards in place on election day.
2. Those who must or need to vote absentee will apply for an absentee ballot with a signed and notarized application.
3. The completed absentee ballot must be delivered to the precinct polling location no later than the close of the polls on election day. No ballots will be accepted from any source after the polls close. Every absentee ballot should be able to be matched with a notarized application for the ballot. No person having been issued an absentee ballot may vote by any means other than that absentee ballot.
4. Anyone voting in somebody else's name or hindering the timely delivery of absentee ballots to the polling place or discouraging or hindering people's ability to get to the polls will be subject to prosecution for a felony with penalties fines and/or imprisonment.
5. Only properly registered persons living within the United States and/or its territories are eligible to vote.

COUNTING THE VOTE:
1. All interested parties must be allowed to have representatives present and able to observe the counting process. Those representatives must be allowed to remain until the counting is completed and will be given a certified document verifying what the final count is.
2. All ballots will be via paper ballots and hand counted. Counting will continue without interruption, even if people have to be replaced, until all ballots are counted and the results provided to the city or county officials as well as to the poll watchers.

Recognizing that for every rule, there can be necessary exceptions for truly valid reasons such as natural disasters or whatever, the above should insure that never again will any person have to wonder whether an election was stolen.

I would add that ALL vote counting shall be monitored and VIDEO RECOREDED for future review.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Dead people voting is EXTREMELY RARE

That's the main Dem constituent.

 

[rightwinger]

I just finished mailing my absentee ballot in and the issue is my signature. That will always be the weak point. What may eliminate that weakness would be a method to verify the signature. There are some ideas but I'd like to share later.
But as a forum member tell me which is the true signature of the attached.
View attachment 708730

If I were manning the polls or reviewing mail in ballots, I would reject each of those signatures.
I would then ask for further identification

 

[airplanemechanic]

I think that not only should felons be allowed to vote, I think voting should be required while on parole/probation. The problem is once people are felons they are shunned by society, can't find jobs, can't vote. They feel like fuck it, mine as well offend again, at least that way I can get 3 hots and a cot. No, felons should most certainly be allowed to vote.

If they are not in prison at the day of voting, they should be allowed to vote. If they get locked up right before election day and they could have voted early before they got arrested, they should be allowed to vote from jail.

 

[Kondor3]

...never again will any person have to wonder whether an election was stolen.

We can achieve much the same result regarding confidence if we choose candidates who are Man Enough to admit when they've lost.

 

[Lisa558]

I think that not only should felons be allowed to vote, I think voting should be required while on parole/probation. The problem is once people are felons they are shunned by society, can't find jobs, can't vote. They feel like fuck it, mine as well offend again, at least that way I can get 3 hots and a cot. No, felons should most certainly be allowed to vote.

If they are not in prison at the day of voting, they should be allowed to vote. If they get locked up right before election day and they could have voted early before they got arrested, they should be allowed to vote from jail.

So an ex-con will commit another crime if he doesn’t get his vote back? If it were that important to him, he shouldn’t have committed his first crime - bad enough to land him in prison.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

I just finished mailing my absentee ballot in and the issue is my signature. That will always be the weak point. What may eliminate that weakness would be a method to verify the signature. There are some ideas but I'd like to share later.
But as a forum member tell me which is the true signature of the attached.
View attachment 708730

I would have said that only the first signature (Frank) is valid, but I researched, and I see Rosalie got upset that her vote was not counted.

I suppose that there needs to be a system in place to notify someone if their signature is rejected so that they can personally validate it. "Yep, that's my signature."

Seems like a reasonable thing which is probably already in place in most locales.

A small price to pay for the pleasure of not voting in person, while also reasonably attempting to ensure election integrity.

Regards,
Jim

 

[Couchpotato]

I responded to the first paragraph of your post in my post #8.

As to the second, hand counting with all interested parties able to agree on the count is necessary to have confidence in the system. Yes computers can count faster than people can on average, but if a recount for any reason was necessary, it can complicate things. And computers can be programmed to count any way the programmer wants it to count and the voter has no way to know if it has been rigged to favor any given candidate or if his/her vote was even counted.

Countries that have honest elections and hand count their ballots never require days, weeks, months to come to a final tally as we have seen time and time again in America.

Less about speed more about accuracy. It’s really unlikely that a computer is going to make a counting/tabulation error. Having random audits where the computer totals are verified via hand count seems more appropriate.

 

[Couchpotato]

We already have an honest vote

Show any US elections that have been fixed

According to some in the Demcrat party there hasnt been a major election they lost that wasn’t compromised in some way since 2000. Trump was way late to the stolen election party.

 

[Couchpotato]

So your solution to a non existent problem which has been manufactured by one side to suppress the vote, is to help suppress the vote...
No one has proven any thing close to mass voter fraud in an election...

I think you also forget one thing,

You have a right to vote....
That is in the constitution. You need a reason to take away that right and inventing a false problem doesn't count.

We know why GOP want it:

Trump says Republicans would âneverâ be elected again if it was easier to vote

President dismissed Democratic-led push for voter reforms amid coronavirus pandemic during Fox & Friends appearance

www.theguardian.com

But it is a right...

Here are just one example of how disgusting your suggestions are here: "sufficiently mentally competent ". Who judges that... Many people on this forum have stated if you vote Democrats you are not sufficiently mentally competent. How does that work?

Where in the constitution does it claim that you can loose your right to vote if you don't participate? Let's be very clear the people who tried to suppress the vote in Selma... Please know a bit of history, know how people have had there vote suppressed and taken away from them in the past...
Please don't say this is a thing of the past... The people of Florida voted overwhelming to give past felons the right to vote... The GOP spent there time doing the most they can to stop those people being allowed to vote... This is today...


So your suggestions are pretty disgusting IMHO... They are to restrict voting not expand it... Where are the mandatory minimum voting places so everyone can vote especially in urban areas... Voting in other countries takes minutes, no queues, quick and easy... Mail in voting is popular highest democracies around the world.

GOP doesn't like loosing and instead of actually coming up with policies that the people want they want to corrupt democracy. Shame on you helping them

Trump and the GOP were late to the “stolen election“ party. The last three democrats to lose a presidential election claimed they were robbed of their respective elections.

 

[airplanemechanic]

So an ex-con will commit another crime if he doesn’t get his vote back? If it were that important to him, he shouldn’t have committed his first crime - bad enough to land him in prison.

No, he's more likely to reoffend if he is not accepted back into society. One of those things is voting. If it matters to them. If they don't give a fuck, then voting doesn't matter.