Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[danielpalos]

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

The government collects monies for everything else; why Only a problem with unions? Arbitrary and capricious much.

Because it's not the role of government to collect for unions. They can collect their own damn dues. So can United Way, so can any other Left wing "cause".

Why not? They collect money for everyone else. Why only a problem with unions, person on the arbitrary and capricious right?

Why does the far left only concern themselves with churches?

Because the right has a problem with not-for-profit status in the name of religious morals.

 

[danielpalos]

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

The money unions donate to political causes isn't their money. That's why.

So, neither is money donated to political Causes by owners or management without voluntary signatories that, that is what Profit is to be Used for with their Labor.

 

[danielpalos]

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

 

[Papageorgio]

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Because they own the business, if the worker wants to make a donation they do it on their own. If the worker dislikes what the company does with the company's money, he can quit or start their own company.

how is that different from collecting dues from Labor for unions?

The worker needs to make the donation or pay the fee, not the corporation.

 

[Avatar4321]

If unions are such a good thing, why are they so concerned about not being able to take their dues without your consent?

Could it be that unions realize that they don't provide a service to the people and that said people won't pay dues if they have a choice?

 

[Papageorgio]

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

Why do they need to? The union needs to be responsible for getting their own money. It is not the responsibility of a company to collect for a union. How difficult is it for the union to track their own workers? Oh wait, you think union employees are deadbeats and irresponsible with their money.

The employer has to do it anyway;; however, you may have a good point. Unions should merely hire their own labor and lease them to employers.

The employer isn't a collection agency, they don't pay your car payment or house payment. The worker is responsible for keeping his union membership up to date.

 

[Papageorgio]

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

No it doesn't. I'm not sure how you are so far off, but if you are an employee, you work for the employer, the worker doesn't own the company. If the company went bankrupt, the employee loses nothing, except employment. They are two separate entities.

 

[Papageorgio]

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

The government collects monies for everything else; why Only a problem with unions? Arbitrary and capricious much.

Because it's not the role of government to collect for unions. They can collect their own damn dues. So can United Way, so can any other Left wing "cause".

Why not? They collect money for everyone else. Why only a problem with unions, person on the arbitrary and capricious right?

They are obligated by law to collect taxes, workers comp, unemployment insurance and so on, they are not required by law to take anything else out. It becomes the decision of the employer, or in this case the government agencies.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

Another far left post failure!

Another far right non-sequitur for their Cause; what not even repeal, this time?

Can you learn to write in English and use the proper sentence structure?

 

[danielpalos]

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Because they own the business, if the worker wants to make a donation they do it on their own. If the worker dislikes what the company does with the company's money, he can quit or start their own company.

how is that different from collecting dues from Labor for unions?

The worker needs to make the donation or pay the fee, not the corporation.

the corporation is not paying it, merely collecting it like it does for every other similar cost factor.

 

[danielpalos]

If unions are such a good thing, why are they so concerned about not being able to take their dues without your consent?

Could it be that unions realize that they don't provide a service to the people and that said people won't pay dues if they have a choice?

do you have a choice how the Firm you provide labor for spends their political contributions?

 

[Papageorgio]

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

This is Article 4 Section 2. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

Please show how Article 4, Section 2 to applies to:

A) How does it apply to forcing employer to withhold union dues and pay them to the unions.

B) Force businesses to donate to political causes for employee.


This has got to be good.

 

[danielpalos]

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

Why do they need to? The union needs to be responsible for getting their own money. It is not the responsibility of a company to collect for a union. How difficult is it for the union to track their own workers? Oh wait, you think union employees are deadbeats and irresponsible with their money.

The employer has to do it anyway;; however, you may have a good point. Unions should merely hire their own labor and lease them to employers.

The employer isn't a collection agency, they don't pay your car payment or house payment. The worker is responsible for keeping his union membership up to date.

yes, the employer is a collection agency for data and information relevant to any public sector.

 

[danielpalos]

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

Please quote and show how Article 4, Section to applies to:

A) How does it apply to forcing employer to withhold union dues and pay them to the unions.

B) Force businesses to donate to political causes for employee.

capitalists versus labor. it really is that simple.

 

[Papageorgio]

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

Please quote and show how Article 4, Section to applies to:

A) How does it apply to forcing employer to withhold union dues and pay them to the unions.

B) Force businesses to donate to political causes for employee.

capitalists versus labor. it really is that simple.

Explain it, here it is.

Article 4 Section 2. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

I think you are full of it.

 

[danielpalos]

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

Please quote and show how Article 4, Section to applies to:

A) How does it apply to forcing employer to withhold union dues and pay them to the unions.

B) Force businesses to donate to political causes for employee.

capitalists versus labor. it really is that simple.

Explain it, here it is.

Article 4 Section 2. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

I think you are full of it.

Special pleading as that form of False Witness bearing, Person on the somewhat religious Right?

The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

 

[Papageorgio]

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

Please quote and show how Article 4, Section to applies to:

A) How does it apply to forcing employer to withhold union dues and pay them to the unions.

B) Force businesses to donate to political causes for employee.

capitalists versus labor. it really is that simple.

Explain it, here it is.

Article 4 Section 2. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

I think you are full of it.

Special pleading as that form of False Witness bearing, Person on the somewhat religious Right?

The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

If you are going to cite the Constitution please use the correct Article and And Section. If you are going to call me a liar because YOU are wrong then we can end this now.

You are now quoting Article 4 Section 1 not Section 2 as you indicated earlier. No that I showed you you were wrong, you need to apologize to me for accusing me of bearing false witness as it seems you are the one confused.

Section 1 says:
The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

This means a state cannot discriminate against a person of another state. I fail to see your point.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

The money unions donate to political causes isn't their money. That's why.

So, neither is money donated to political Causes by owners or management without voluntary signatories that, that is what Profit is to be Used for with their Labor.

I have no idea what the hell the above is supposed to signify.

Management represents the owners. Deciding how company funds are spent is its responsibility. Labor has no say in how company funds are spent, just as your neighbor has no say in how you spend your pay check. They have no legitimate claim on it.

 

[bripat9643]

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

there is no basis to favor one faction or the other based on ideology over the law; we have a Commerce Clause.

The commerce clause is not Article 4, Section 2. No matter what article or clause where you find it, the clause doesn't justify anything you claim it justifies.

 

[bripat9643]

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

Another far left post failure!

Another far right non-sequitur for their Cause; what not even repeal, this time?

Can you learn to write in English and use the proper sentence structure?

That would require him to think in proper English sentences.