Pilot to TSA: 'No Groping Me and No Naked Photos'

[Oddball]

OMG they ask you to prove your not carrying anything dangerous onto a plane full of people, what scum they are.

Its simple, airplanes are PRIVATE property, airlines don't have to let you on their planes, they have decided not to if you won't subject yourself to TSA scrutiny. End of story.

Yeah they're PRIVATE PROPERTY....Which means that they're the property of the airlines.

Therefore, security should be a concern of the airlines and airports, NOT the feds.

ConHog and jillian sitting in a tree....

because we actually, on a rare occasion, agree with each other?

are you really, truly that stupid?

you never fail to be even worse than i imagine.

and you've never yet been able to respond to any point in any discussion without throwing a tantrum.

No, because he's a neocon bullshit artist.

The both of y'all have a sweaty love affair with nanny statist big gubmint, as long as it achieves your ends.

P.S...Just because adults don't like overbearing finger-wagging scolds like you treating them like children, that doesn't make them children.

 

[blu]

you have a lot of hate in your life. Not surprising really...........

Good grief, 99% of TSA agents are just doing their jobs, they don't make the rules, and they don't violate policy. Some do, they need to be ran off.

Yeah...The bureaucrat goon is "just doing their job"!

Amazing how easily fake "conservatives" can run around rationalizing intrusive and overbearing big gubmint, when it's a nanny state program that they like.

No one said I like the program. I have asked for alternatives and you have none. Yet you stand by and call me (or conhog) fake conservatives while a true Blu liberal calls me a coward.

I'm tired of the fake Americans who are afraid of stepping on toes and doing what needs to be done to protect the innocent people of America from another 9-11 attack. Big fucking deal if some stranger sees your naked silhouette. Do you get to where you are going alive? I'm willing to bet there are about 3000 people who if they had a voice today they would be all for it. Now I don't like big government but this is one thing that the government is supposed to do. I'd rather they were protecting the people than having meetings about steroids, baseball, and inviting comedians to testify..

the proper precautions are already in place without the scanners, you have guarded cockpits, can't bring on liquids of a certain amount and so on, you have your shoes, jackets, etc scanned and so on.

the scanners were simply a big overstep by the government and the sheep (cowards) walked in line

 

[SFC Ollie]

Yeah...The bureaucrat goon is "just doing their job"!

Amazing how easily fake "conservatives" can run around rationalizing intrusive and overbearing big gubmint, when it's a nanny state program that they like.

No one said I like the program. I have asked for alternatives and you have none. Yet you stand by and call me (or conhog) fake conservatives while a true Blu liberal calls me a coward.

I'm tired of the fake Americans who are afraid of stepping on toes and doing what needs to be done to protect the innocent people of America from another 9-11 attack. Big fucking deal if some stranger sees your naked silhouette. Do you get to where you are going alive? I'm willing to bet there are about 3000 people who if they had a voice today they would be all for it. Now I don't like big government but this is one thing that the government is supposed to do. I'd rather they were protecting the people than having meetings about steroids, baseball, and inviting comedians to testify..

the proper precautions are already in place without the scanners, you have guarded cockpits, can't bring on liquids of a certain amount and so on, you have your shoes, jackets, etc scanned and so on.

the scanners were simply a big overstep by the government and the sheep (cowards) walked in line

And it all failed to stop the crotch bomber didn't it....

 

[Oddball]

And it all failed to stop the crotch bomber didn't it....

So....Failure of gubmint stooges is supposed to be evidence that they need even more power?

Congratulations....You might already be a progressive/liberal.

 

[ConHog]

Yeah they're PRIVATE PROPERTY....Which means that they're the property of the airlines.

Therefore, security should be a concern of the airlines and airports, NOT the feds.

ConHog and jillian sitting in a tree....

On THIS particular subject I will proudly sit in Jillian's tree, or maybe she's in mine?

Always had you pegged as a neocon fake.

Glad to see my BS filter still works.

When have I ever claimed to be a neocon? I can't be fake at something if I don't pretend to be that something. From the moment I first started posting on this site, I made it clear that although overall I am conservative there are certain issues I lean left on, such as gays in the military, gay civil unions, abortion, welfare , etc etc. I don't consider airline safety to be a left right position though, sorry that you do.

BTW Google neocon. You are clearly using the word wrong.

 

[Oddball]

You don't have to claim to be a neocon. In fact, most of them deny it (just like liberals do ).

Your political positions give you away.

Good job.

 

[ConHog]

You don't have to claim to be a neocon. In fact, most of them deny it (just like liberals do ).

Your political positions give you away.

Good job.

Again, google neocon. I don't support positions generally supported by neocons.

 

[jillian]

Yeah they're PRIVATE PROPERTY....Which means that they're the property of the airlines.

Therefore, security should be a concern of the airlines and airports, NOT the feds.

ConHog and jillian sitting in a tree....

because we actually, on a rare occasion, agree with each other?

are you really, truly that stupid?

you never fail to be even worse than i imagine.

and you've never yet been able to respond to any point in any discussion without throwing a tantrum.

No, because he's a neocon bullshit artist.

The both of y'all have a sweaty love affair with nanny statist big gubmint, as long as it achieves your ends.

P.S...Just because adults don't like overbearing finger-wagging scolds like you treating them like children, that doesn't make them children.

if i were a neocon i'd have supported the iraq war. try again. i know you're intellectually limited, but at least try to be honest. that might make up for some of your intellectual deficits.

and if you saw a plane hit your old office, you'd be crying like a little girl... me? i just want them to take reasonable precautions.

mostly? i think little spoiled brats who hate government should get out of the way....

... especially if they are going to be the first ones to blame government if something happens.

and i particularly appreciate the way you set out to derail the thread because you had no facts at your disposal. very typical of dud.

 

[uscitizen]

I will solve this by porklamation.

Henceforth no persons shall be admitted to airports while wearing clothes.

 

[SFC Ollie]

You need to step back and do some thinking. The government is supposed to handle security. if you have any valid ideas to do that please speak up. Otherwise Oddball, you have gone off the deep end on this one. ConHog is right, this isn't a left right issue. Sorry if you are so afraid that some TSA idiot might laugh at your little wee wee.

 

[Liability]

Oddball and I tend to agree a vast majority of the time. Well, to be more precise, I tend to find his thinking very often logical and persuasive.

On a few issues, however, like the NSA Surveillance Program, the USA PATRIOT Act and maybe a few related issues, we tend not to agree much at all.

It is interesting to me that our disagreement doesn't lead to tons of bad feelings. Indeed, I respect his opinion quite a bit even while I disagree with it on those few matters. He is remarkably consistent in his views.

Such consistency doesn't come around by random thinking. It comes about as a result of a fundamental philosophy which leads to a train of thinking. He follows where that logic leads.

Objecting to the TSA Porno-scanners is not an indication that he is concerned about the size of his willy. If one is guided by consistent principles, the conclusion one reaches tends to be very much independent of such minor considerations.

 

[jillian]

Funny, I guess it's a matter of perspective. I've found him to pretend expertise in areas where he has no knowledge. And his only consistency is in a childish hatred of government.

when faced with his lack of knowledge, he lobs personal attacks and runs shrieking from the thread.

sorry... nothing to respect there.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I wonder if the "pilots" who flew the jetliners into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and the field in PA would be as honored for their refusal to go through security screening.

You might be inclined to think that THEY are different from this AIRLINE pilot. And, of course, that much is true as far as it goes.

But Major Nidal Malik Hasan was probably deemed to be pretty much above suspicion, too. Well he may have been unless the folks in charge of security (maybe) took note of his ethnicity.

The point is not that a pilot should be above suspicion, the point is that we have the right not to be harrassed when we travel.

So, is profiling appropriate, now?

Profiling is mostly a waste of resources.

Profiling only works if you have a small pool of people to examine. It works for El-Al because they have less people flying on all of their lanes combined than fly through a major airport in the US.

Or, in the fight against the efforts of those who'd like to blow up another crowded passenger jet, are we required to let political correctness rule the day?

No, we are required to follow the Constitution. Did I miss the memo that supended the Bill of Rights?

I GET why many folks object to the naked-image scanners. And maybe some other method needs to be found. But what method ISN'T going to draw the ire of guys like blu and the ACLU?

One that does not violate anyone's civil rights.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When another one saw that I had a lot of cash in my passport pouch she made me take it off, she grabbed it and headed out of sight. I asked that she not leave my presence with my stuff. She didn't but I though she was going to call the cops on me over it.

it is illegal to leave the country with more than $9,999 in cash and they are required by law to intercept anyone who tries to do that.

Why is it illegal? And what makes you thing that TSA officers are supposed to enforce customs laws? Don't we have customs officers for that?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

LOL. A while back I saw some actress on TV who said she tells the people going through her bags with latex gloves that it arouses her.

I don't know about that, but I've been fondled more than a 16 year old in the back of a 57 Chevy. And it will never end be cause of my metal knees.

LOL, i wasn't going to go there, but i agree. Now i just flat tell them to copp their feel and move on. The day that was interesting was when they told me to take off my shirt.

I looked at my husband and he gave me the " oh please don't do this" look. I almost striped naked.

they wouldn't have told you to remove a shirt that didn't have another shirt underneath, hon.

at least not out in the open at checkpoint.

You are truly naive, aren't you? What gives them the right to ask a person to take off a shirt even in private?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Not saying that some of them might not be over bearing assholes. But they do have a job to do. And it is their job to protect those who fly. So plain and simple, if you don't have a better solution, and you don't like the way security is handled; Tough Shit. I'm sick of people crying about their precious rights. Well I have the right to be secure while traveling, and if that means we all have to strip down then I'll pretend I'm at a nude beach. I'm not proud and have nothing to hide.

Again the world has changed. And we cannot pretend it didn't.

This is where you are flat out wrong. The TSA does not exist to protect the people who fly, its sole purpose is to protect the politicians from voters. Why do you think they spend so much time reacting to the last attack instead of anticipating, and preventing, the next one?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I remind you all again that the world changed on 9-11-01. and we have little choice but to change a little bit with it.

Tell me what alternative will keep air travelers safer?

You are not giving up any freedoms, You don't like going through security, don't fly.

or you could stop being a fucking pussy you piece of shit. fuck you and your ilk for taking away my civil liberties because you are cowards

What the fuck? civil liberties? Hey stupid you do NOT have a right to fly. PERIOD.

Actually, you do.

US v Guest and Shapiro v Thompson clearly give us the right to travel without restriction, and no sane person could possibly claim that does not apply to flying.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sorry bout that,

it is illegal to leave the country with more than $9,999 in cash and they are required by law to intercept anyone who tries to do that.

1. Well I find this to be false statement.
2. Not that it matters but I left the country before with over 60k and ofcourse declared it, and had no problem at all.
3. Its was my personal *Legal Tender*, hard earned.


Regards,
SirjamesofTexas

She was talking about undeclared cash.

She was not talking about traveling outside the country, unless I missed that. You all just assumed that the TSA ran off with her money because it had something to do with a border.

 

[ConHog]

or you could stop being a fucking pussy you piece of shit. fuck you and your ilk for taking away my civil liberties because you are cowards

What the fuck? civil liberties? Hey stupid you do NOT have a right to fly. PERIOD.

Actually, you do.

US v Guest and Shapiro v Thompson clearly give us the right to travel without restriction, and no sane person could possibly claim that does not apply to flying.

You are wrong, you have a right to fly, you do NOT have a right to board an airliner. IOW if you own a private plane you have the right to fly it, providing you have a license or a licenses pilot, you do NOT have a right to board Southwest Airlines flight 23. IF that were the case then airlines couldn't refuse to let you board if you were drunk , for example. BUt they can. Because you don't have a right.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

OMG they ask you to prove your not carrying anything dangerous onto a plane full of people, what scum they are.

Its simple, airplanes are PRIVATE property, airlines don't have to let you on their planes, they have decided not to if you won't subject yourself to TSA scrutiny. End of story.

Yeah they're PRIVATE PROPERTY....Which means that they're the property of the airlines.

Therefore, security should be a concern of the airlines and airports, NOT the feds.

ConHog and jillian sitting in a tree....

because we actually, on a rare occasion, agree with each other?

are you really, truly that stupid?

you never fail to be even worse than i imagine.

and you've never yet been able to respond to any point in any discussion without throwing a tantrum.

As often as he is wrong you should check your position whenever you do agree with him, because the odds favor that he is still wrong.