Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill

It's NOT any ole business....

Pharmacies and pharmacists are licensed and governed by the State with many rules and regs attached....sort of similar to other businesses such as Liquor Stores or perhaps Gun shops as well.

those who choose to go in to this business are well aware of such government overseers, BEFORE they choose this business as one to go in to.

Sure, but that does not make this regulation correct or proper. For the regulation to stand there should be good reason and purpose for it and as I see it, there is none. No business including a pharmacy should be forced to carry a product. I will ask again, why has no one taken up my challenge on chemotherapy drugs that are not dispensed at a pharmacy but somehow plan b is required?

This PARTICULAR state government, has chosen this as a rule....not being from this particular state, I HAVE NO SAY in the matter....it is up to the gvt of such state and its citizens that vote the jokers in to office.

I do not know the situation in Washington state that made your government make this law in the first place....you seem to think it is not necessary and you have the right to such decision, since it is your State and you also know more about it....but I do not.

chemotherapy drugs are not administered at home, are they?

Yes, chemotherapy drugs ARE administered at home. There are certain ones that the hospital is required to administer but there are many chemotherapy drugs that are not. There are even a few IV chemotherapy treatments that are administered at home as well if you are comfortable doing so.
 
There is a litany of examples of business being regulated by government, much of it for good reasons.

Why is this a bad reason?
Fail. You must show why a regulation should be put in place.

Why should a business owner be forced to sell goods he or she does not wish to sell?

:eusa_eh:

Are you serious?

Can you honestly only see one side of this issue?

I can certainly understand the argument that it infringes on the autonomous decision making of the pharmacy owner. Can you not see the obvious argument for it that some might consider it a public service?

I'd much rather this law be imposed on pharmacy owners than the government getting into the pharmacy business to sell what bible thumping doucher pharmacists won't.

Sometimes your mind is narrower than Hank Hill's urethra. No offense.
 
Bible thumping doucher chemist


:rolleyes:

Good to see you're hear to discuss the merits of government determing what a business must sell and not to call names and paint anyone who believes in liberty in the market as a 'bible thumping doucher'

If you're too stupid to go elsewhere, you clearly don't want that particular medication. Especially given the litany of other places where it can be obtained. When in doubt call PP- surely, they'll be more than happy to help you find it.


I see how you selectively omitted where I insulted the customer too. :rolleyes:

Apparently you don't even need to thump the bible to be a doucher. :thup:
 
I see no one has yet taken up my challenge on why a pharmacy is not required to stock my chemotherapy medication that is damn well LIFE THREATENING if doses are missed yet for some reason plan b is required. Should I drop the last pill in the drain I must go immediately to the nearest hospital that can cater to that field (not always the closes as I have had to drive over 50 miles before for something along these lines) and receive my medication there. For some reason, that was okay because I was just dealing with plain old cancer, nothing major like a POSSIBLE PREGNANCY!

If the government deems plan b a necessary available product then it is the community hospitals that should be required to carry as they are COMMUNITY hospitals, not private pharmacies. That is what they are there for, serving the community.
I am certainly not familiar with pharmacies across the country but I don't believe pharmacies are required to maintain a stock of any drug including Plan B, however I believe they must get the drug in a reasonable period of time. A pharmacy may be able to decline sale of a drug for various reasons, but the personal preference of the pharmacist is not a valid reason, at least in the states mentioned in the article.
 
It's NOT any ole business....

Pharmacies and pharmacists are licensed and governed by the State with many rules and regs attached....sort of similar to other businesses such as Liquor Stores or perhaps Gun shops as well.

those who choose to go in to this business are well aware of such government overseers, BEFORE they choose this business as one to go in to.


So any government control of business can be justified by 'they should expect this kind of authoritarianism and stop bitching'?
 
It's NOT any ole business....

Pharmacies and pharmacists are licensed and governed by the State with many rules and regs attached....sort of similar to other businesses such as Liquor Stores or perhaps Gun shops as well.

those who choose to go in to this business are well aware of such government overseers, BEFORE they choose this business as one to go in to.

Sure, but that does not make this regulation correct or proper. For the regulation to stand there should be good reason and purpose for it and as I see it, there is none. No business including a pharmacy should be forced to carry a product. I will ask again, why has no one taken up my challenge on chemotherapy drugs that are not dispensed at a pharmacy but somehow plan b is required?

This PARTICULAR state government, has chosen this as a rule....not being from this particular state, I HAVE NO SAY in the matter....

I call bullshit on that cop put.

Do I have no say in California forcefully sterilizing children or Georgia keeping people in slavery?
 
There is a litany of examples of business being regulated by government, much of it for good reasons.

Why is this a bad reason?
Fail. You must show why a regulation should be put in place.

Why should a business owner be forced to sell goods he or she does not wish to sell?

:eusa_eh:

Are you serious?

Can you honestly only see one side of this issue?

I can certainly understand the argument that it infringes on the autonomous decision making of the pharmacy owner. Can you not see the obvious argument for it that some might consider it a public service?

Nope. A private business is not there to provide a public service. The Health Department and public (municipal etc) hospitals are.

Private businesses are there to make a profit by providing goods or services to private persons who wish to do business.

Soup kitchens provide a public service. Wendy's does not. Local libraries provide a public service. Old Mr. Malcone's Bookshoppe and Literary Emporium does not.
I'd much rather this law be imposed on pharmacy owners than the government getting into the pharmacy business to sell what bible thumping doucher pharmacists won't.

How bout neither?
Sometimes your mind is narrower than Hank Hill's urethra. No offense.
Because I don't support governments effectively taking over businesses?


Solution: tell the gov to STFU and let business chose whether or not to sell a given product. Allow those who sell BC, including Plan B to add their name a list if they wish and require that is a pharmacy does not sell prophylactics/BC, they provide the address and phone number for the Health Department an/or a list of those pharmacies who requested their name be added to the list. Allow the Health Department (or whatever department thereof) to make BC available to those in need.


Where I live, the Health Department has a Department of Family Planning and Women's Health that makes condoms available. This same department can be set up in the city in question and tasked with also providing BC or, if more feasible, guiding those in need to where they might acquire such resources.


That way, the pharmacists are not forced to sell something to do not wish to sell and those in need still have access to BC, including Plan B.


Can we all live with that?
 
Bible thumping doucher chemist


:rolleyes:

Good to see you're hear to discuss the merits of government determing what a business must sell and not to call names and paint anyone who believes in liberty in the market as a 'bible thumping doucher'

If you're too stupid to go elsewhere, you clearly don't want that particular medication. Especially given the litany of other places where it can be obtained. When in doubt call PP- surely, they'll be more than happy to help you find it.


I see how you selectively omitted where I insulted the customer too. :rolleyes:

Apparently you don't even need to thump the bible to be a doucher. :thup:


After I saw the above, I didn't bother reading the rest of your dribble. :thup:
 
JB indirectly supports socialism and he doesn't even realize it.

Not surprising since, although he does at times appear educated, his logic is always linear.

No lateral thinking in that brain. None whatsoever.

Oh well. *shrug*
 
It's NOT any ole business....

Pharmacies and pharmacists are licensed and governed by the State with many rules and regs attached....sort of similar to other businesses such as Liquor Stores or perhaps Gun shops as well.

those who choose to go in to this business are well aware of such government overseers, BEFORE they choose this business as one to go in to.

Sure, but that does not make this regulation correct or proper. For the regulation to stand there should be good reason and purpose for it and as I see it, there is none. No business including a pharmacy should be forced to carry a product. I will ask again, why has no one taken up my challenge on chemotherapy drugs that are not dispensed at a pharmacy but somehow plan b is required?

It's an emergency medication. When was the last time you bitched about stores being forced to have operable fire extinguishers on hand?
 
Sure, but that does not make this regulation correct or proper. For the regulation to stand there should be good reason and purpose for it and as I see it, there is none. No business including a pharmacy should be forced to carry a product. I will ask again, why has no one taken up my challenge on chemotherapy drugs that are not dispensed at a pharmacy but somehow plan b is required?

This PARTICULAR state government, has chosen this as a rule....not being from this particular state, I HAVE NO SAY in the matter....

I call bullshit on that cop put.

Do I have no say in California forcefully sterilizing children or Georgia keeping people in slavery?

IF Washington State, is anything like Maine with lots of rural areas, with pharmacies and hospitals, few and far between, then I think that the State legislature and the circuit court, did the right thing....the people's need outweighs the single pharmacist's personal choice....

But IF the State of Washington is anything like Massachusetts, where Pharmacies are a dime a dozen, then I would think that this measure is just some far left wing liberals pushing their agenda down our throats...
 
If you are talking about the employee of the pharmacy that is a different manner. I think those of us on the opposite side from your point of view are looking at it as the owner of the pharmacy. I know that is how I see it.

If I am the employee of the pharmacy and I don't want to sell product that the owner wants to sell, then I can always quit and go elsewhere. I work for the employer. He/she does not work for me.

Immie


Since it is an emergency medication it should be a mandated item. On what basis do you justify denying a rape victim the opportunity to prevent conception from her monster attacker?


Your being a loose slut and not being on BC is not an emergency.

If you were assaulted, go to the ER; everyone's voiced support for making it available there for victims of sexual assault. Or go to the Health Department.

Now, stfu, sit down, and don't speak until you're prepared to be honest.


Since I'm a man that's pretty fucking stoopid you ignorant cocksucking bitch.

Not all assault victims would be prepared to immediately go to the ER and the Health Department isn't open on weekends, holidays, after 5pm, etc. You truly suck at debating.
 
It's NOT any ole business....

Pharmacies and pharmacists are licensed and governed by the State with many rules and regs attached....sort of similar to other businesses such as Liquor Stores or perhaps Gun shops as well.

those who choose to go in to this business are well aware of such government overseers, BEFORE they choose this business as one to go in to.


So any government control of business can be justified by 'they should expect this kind of authoritarianism and stop bitching'?
"The courts have held, time and time again, that a person or corporation acting in a for-profit capacity as a marketplace actor must accept the general marketplace rules by which a secular world operates—including nondiscrimination in the provision of goods and services. As the United States Supreme Court held in United States v. Lee, 455 U.S. 252, 261 (1982), “When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith, are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.”

Your own private, little laws can't trump the secular world's laws.​
 
I have a feeling many whiners are confusing plan b for the ru486 pill. Anyone bitching about plan b should also be bitching about all forms of birth control.
 
I have a feeling many whiners are confusing plan b for the ru486 pill. Anyone bitching about plan b should also be bitching about all forms of birth control.
They do have a tendency to get confused about most things.....in the REAL World.

:rolleyes:

(I think it must be genetic.)

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I'm pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but this one just doesn't seem right. I am not comfortable with a retail establishment being forced to sell anything, especially if they don't feel it is morally right. Even Walmart at times has refused to carry music or DVDs they feel are objectionable.

I also live in a small town and yet there are at least six pharmacies within a seven mile radius. So if one decided they didn't want to carry something, there are several other options.

Also, if I was sexually active and pregnancy would be completely out of the question for me, I would probably take some pre-emptive measures and make sure I had this drug on hand just in case, and not go on a frenzied scavenger hunt at the last minute.
 
I have a feeling many whiners are confusing plan b for the ru486 pill. Anyone bitching about plan b should also be bitching about all forms of birth control.

Exactly. They're hitting every angle but the right one.
 
I'm pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but this one just doesn't seem right. I am not comfortable with a retail establishment being forced to sell anything, especially if they don't feel it is morally right. Even Walmart at times has refused to carry music or DVDs they feel are objectionable.

I also live in a small town and yet there are at least six pharmacies within a seven mile radius. So if one decided they didn't want to carry something, there are several other options.

Also, if I was sexually active and pregnancy would be completely out of the question for me, I would probably take some pre-emptive measures and make sure I had this drug on hand just in case, and not go on a frenzied scavenger hunt at the last minute.

Walmart is a general goods store and is not solely a pharmacy that is highly regulated and licensed by the State for the medical good of the people....
 
I'm pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but this one just doesn't seem right. I am not comfortable with a retail establishment being forced to sell anything, especially if they don't feel it is morally right. Even Walmart at times has refused to carry music or DVDs they feel are objectionable.

I also live in a small town and yet there are at least six pharmacies within a seven mile radius. So if one decided they didn't want to carry something, there are several other options.

Also, if I was sexually active and pregnancy would be completely out of the question for me, I would probably take some pre-emptive measures and make sure I had this drug on hand just in case, and not go on a frenzied scavenger hunt at the last minute.

Walmart is a general goods store and is not solely a pharmacy that is highly regulated and licensed by the State for the medical good of the people....

Medical good of the people doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. This medicine is available at Family Planing Clinics correct? Those are pretty much in every county nationwide. So I start a pharmacy in 1990, before the drug. Now I find myself in this position twenty years later. I am suppose to throw my ethics out the window because the state says so or go out of business? Nice play at God there Care.
 
I have a feeling many whiners are confusing plan b for the ru486 pill. Anyone bitching about plan b should also be bitching about all forms of birth control.

Exactly. They're hitting every angle but the right one.
I'm thinkin'.....no matter how-many hits are delivered....there's already been irreversible-damage done (most-likely, multiple-dropping-incidents).

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