Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes

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To you.
If the commander on the scene judges the target(s) need additional attention in pursuit of the mission, they are within their power to continue the engagement. That the target might be on fire and unmoving does not change this.

Responsibility to rescue comes -after- the engagement, not during.
This engagement was not over.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gcii-1949/article-12

it being understood that the term “shipwreck” means shipwreck from any cause

Note the 2 last words.

 

[Delldude]

The report was not denied. Trump is now blaming Hegseth for the murder and distancing himself after being informed of the risk by his lawyers.

Little poetic license Gator?

 

[citygator]

Little poetic license Gator?

 

[Seymour Flops]

No commander in a conflict at sea would stop and render aid until the hostile vessel is completely and verifiably neutralized in it's mission and counter-attack capabilities.

The armchair Admirals of USMB are looking pretty silly.

 

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To you.
If the commander on the scene judges the target(s) need additional attention in pursuit of the mission, they are within their power to continue the engagement. That the target might be on fire and unmoving does not change this.

Responsibility to rescue comes -after- the engagement, not during.
This engagement was not over.

And no not just according to me but according to JAG

https://www.jag.navy.mil/organization/code_10/LOAC/Commanders%20Handbook.pdf

Commanders and their subordinates shall take all feasible measures to protect persons in peril at sea, including survivors of damaged or disabled vessels.

Note the last few words.

 

[M14 Shooter]

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gcii-1949/article-12

it being understood that the term “shipwreck” means shipwreck from any cause
Note the 2 last words.

M'kay.
Once there is a shipwreck from whatever cause, there is a responsibility to rescue.
This is not inconsistent with the points I made.

The target in question was not a shipwreck until the 2nd strike;

Responsibility to rescue comes -after- the engagement, not during.
This engagement was not over.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Commanders and their subordinates shall take all feasible measures to protect persons in peril at sea, including survivors of damaged or disabled vessels.

After the engagement is over.

 

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M'kay.
Once there is a shipwreck from whatever cause, there is a responsibility to rescue.
This is not inconsistent with the points I made.

The target in question was not a shipwreck until the 2nd strike;

Responsibility to rescue comes -after- the engagement, not during.
This engagement was not over.

You know what. Why don't you source your definition of shipwrecked. Go on.

 

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After the engagement is over.

Nope, you can't simply add words because you don't like the ones that are there.

Find me that passage.

 

[Rogue AI]

It is illegal in wartime to execute an enemy when they are no longer a threat. Those half drowned injured people in the water were no longer a threat, despite the shit that comes out of Hegseth's yap.

He knows that or should know it. If he doesn't he should resign or be fired which should have happened anyway with his Signalgate fuckup.

The boat was struck by a missile. We're there people close enough to rescue anyone? Was there even enough time, given they were injured? It would be cruel and unusual to leave them to die a painful death, suffering and such. Of course that is only relevant if this whole thing isn't just another liberal fabrication.

 

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After the engagement is over.

Go on cite/copy/paste.

 

[Anarchy666]

It makes no sense why the Democraps and their allies are apoplectic about this, we literally kill drug dealers all the time in our own country, why is it suddenly a problem when they are foreign invaders/enemies? These people just hate America. Period. Nothing else makes any sense.

 

[Lesh]

No commander in a conflict at sea would stop and render aid until the hostile vessel is completely and verifiably neutralized in it's mission and counter-attack capabilities.

The armchair Admirals of USMB are looking pretty silly.

But then “stop and render aid” is a world apart from KILLING survivors

 

[M14 Shooter]

You know what. Why don't you source your definition of shipwrecked. Go on.

A shipwreck is the wreckage of a ship that is located either beached on land or sunken to the bottom of a body of water. It results from the event of shipwrecking, which may be intentional or unintentional

Shipwreck - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not a shipwreck.

Responsibility to rescue comes -after- the engagement, not during
This engagement was not over.

 

[Lesh]

The boat was struck by a missile. Were there people close enough to rescue anyone? Was there even enough time, given they were injured? It would be cruel and unusual to leave them to die a painful death, suffering and such. Of course that is only relevant if this whole thing isn't just another liberal fabrication.

So they were “put out of their misery”?

That’s one hell of a defense for murder

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nope, you can't simply add words because you don't like the ones that are there.

Words like "during the engagement"?
""While the target is still engaged"?
Find me that passage.

 

[Rogue AI]

So they were “put out of their misery”?

That’s one hell of a defense for murder

In lieu of a risky rescue operation with zero chance of success? Then you loons would be whining about cruel and unusual. Sadly, that is all you clowns are good for, rooting for the enemy and whining.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So they were “put out of their misery”?

No. They were fired on a 2nd time because the target was not yet sunk.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The boat was struck by a missile. We're there people close enough to rescue anyone? Was there even enough time, given they were injured? It would be cruel and unusual to leave them to die a painful death, suffering and such.

Were they radio'ing for back up, groping for weapons to destroy the drone, were some already returning fire?

Of course that is only relevant if this whole thing isn't just another liberal fabrication.

Exactly.

Always a two-pronged debate with the Trump-deranged. Challenging their conclusions and trying to get them to provide any confirmation of their claimed facts.

This is way too convenient. That right after the 6 congressional concern trolls talked about disobeying illegal orders someone comes out with an "anonymous source" alleging a claim about an illegal order.

 

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But then “stop and render aid” is a world apart from KILLING survivors

No way to know whether they were survivors until the battle was over.

Anyway no point in debating over what we each guess might have happened. Post the video and let's see what it shows.

Or wait until the video actually exists.