Perplexing dichotomy regarding R-W'ers

I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.

The idea that workers have value is not socialist.

Hang on... Socialism at its core is about society solving problems rather than individuals. To say socialism doesn't work in America is to say America doesn't function well as a society... That is quite anti American statement.

I think putting people in charge of a society who doesn't think the society works and wants to weaken the society is fundamentally flawed. As it would mean American society would be weakened and thus America itself would be weakened.

Socialism is the problem solving method where all you have is a hammer, and thus every problem looks like a nail.

You are confusing society with government control of every aspect of ones life, which is what socialism ends up being.
 
I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.

The idea that workers have value is not socialist.

Hang on... Socialism at its core is about society solving problems rather than individuals. To say socialism doesn't work in America is to say America doesn't function well as a society... That is quite anti American statement.

Oh, man. That is some seriously flawed illogic right there. Equivocation, fallacy of the excluded middle...
 
The idea that conservatives don't value workers is a LIE invented by lowlife scum filth liberals.

Just for a recent example......How many of the GOP candidates are FOR raising the minimum wage?
Further, how many right wing "leaders" are for strengthening unions?

Democrats forcing young workers to buy more health insurance than they need to fund government hand outs? Democrats saddling young college students with student loan debt the size of a home mortgage? Democrats choosing hatred of big oil and coal over high paying union jobs in oil and coal? OH SNAP that's gonna leave a mark :laugh:
 
Cruz now talking about carpeting bombing..."We're going to light all of their stuff on fire."
Just heard him say that.
Is that what you righties want for this country?

(Poor Ted, he doesn't care about all the kids that will be killed in his death march ...That's because they've been born already.)


Oh my Allah, against your ISIS allies? :eek:

You must be in a panic....
 
Are you freaking shitting me? WWII ring a bell? Firebombing entire cities, Japanese internment camps, dropping atomic bombs? Vietnam? WTF lib.

If you're comparing the reasons for WWII to the series of other conflicts we've wasted lives and treasury, then you're another moronic right winger who chooses to "interpret" history.

I whooped your ass with facts, go lick your wounds lib.
 
Top U.S. general slams idea of carpet bombing ISIS

But military analysts note that the first Gulf War was the beginning of the growing use of precision-guided weapons. And in that war, unlike the fight against ISIS, the U.S. was going against Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's large numbers of conventional armed troops in the field -- readily detectable targets separate from civilian populations.
 
I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.

because we don't trust you idiots with the power, and our mistrust has been proven again and again.

Letting progressives have control of more and more government power is like handing an MLRS launch controller to a toddler.

How did you suffer eight years of Bill Clinton? How did the nation suffer 8 years of Bush? Let's start with the crash of '08 and two failed wars....
Now tell us how Obama has taken your guns away and turned America into a military state, as we were warned. Where's the Sharia law? Burkhas? His "brotherhood"? He's really running out of time for this.


We will tell you all about how the debt has risen to 19 trillion under O, welfare record numbers, 100 million out of work, real unemployment at around 20 percent.
 
I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.

The idea that workers have value is not socialist.

Hang on... Socialism at its core is about society solving problems rather than individuals. To say socialism doesn't work in America is to say America doesn't function well as a society... That is quite anti American statement.

I think putting people in charge of a society who doesn't think the society works and wants to weaken the society is fundamentally flawed. As it would mean American society would be weakened and thus America itself would be weakened.

This is exactly why I told you in the other thread that I have no respect for Europeans. Nothing you posted has a thing to do with the one simple sentence you quoted.
 
I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.
Conservatives generally agree that the Federal government is taking over for personal responsibility. Rights, to them is the right to obtain something, not be given that same thing unless there is a good reason the citizen could not gain that object on his own.

Liberals on the other hand believe in everyone is equal and should never be in need regardless of their own disposition in life. If a person has a problem, he looks to the government to solve it for him.

Naturally the perfect solution would be to entwine the two, so society can meet the needs of the people only after it is shown they cannot solve their problems themselves. As a country, we need to be personally responsible for what we have, but the government should meet the needs of those who are physically or mentally unable to provide for themselves.

Like the Ideal Gas Law, your perfect solution is flawed and cannot work in the real world, simply because everyone would vote themselves the goodies if they could (and they currently are).
Remember when... people worked...everyone and sometimes two jobs to make ends meet... Remember when... OWS insisted on government subsidizing their own lives by taking from the 1% and allowing them to refuse to work.
 
I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.
Conservatives generally agree that the Federal government is taking over for personal responsibility. Rights, to them is the right to obtain something, not be given that same thing unless there is a good reason the citizen could not gain that object on his own.

Liberals on the other hand believe in everyone is equal and should never be in need regardless of their own disposition in life. If a person has a problem, he looks to the government to solve it for him.

Naturally the perfect solution would be to entwine the two, so society can meet the needs of the people only after it is shown they cannot solve their problems themselves. As a country, we need to be personally responsible for what we have, but the government should meet the needs of those who are physically or mentally unable to provide for themselves.

Like the Ideal Gas Law, your perfect solution is flawed and cannot work in the real world, simply because everyone would vote themselves the goodies if they could (and they currently are).
Remember when... people worked...everyone and sometimes two jobs to make ends meet... Remember when... OWS insisted on government subsidizing their own lives by taking from the 1% and allowing them to refuse to work.

My father worked two jobs growing up, he didn't complain. I went to college and got a profession so I only had to work one (and I still worked on the side the first 2-3 years).

OWS is the perfect example of "goody wanters".
 
Carpet bombing would not harm ISIS. But it would achieve the mass slaughter of hostage civilians.

Good job!

Retard. Take your Hollywood movie knowledge of warfare elsewhere.

Yes, Dresden lost the war for us.

Look Jake, if we were to actually start dropping some of the bombs on the sorties that fly out, would that upset? Obviously it upsets Obama, but would you be upset?

Should we call first, and let ISIS know we are planning a bombing run, so no democrat assets get hurt?
 
Carpet bombing would not harm ISIS. But it would achieve the mass slaughter of hostage civilians.

Good job!

Retard. Take your Hollywood movie knowledge of warfare elsewhere.

Yes, Dresden lost the war for us.

Look Jake, if we were to actually start dropping some of the bombs on the sorties that fly out, would that upset? Obviously it upsets Obama, but would you be upset?

Should we call first, and let ISIS know we are planning a bombing run, so no democrat assets get hurt?

Why would you resort to firebombing when we no longer need to? Why would you bomb civilians period?
 
That is not an answer to the question I asked you.

It was the perfect answer to the partisan hackery you offered.

Defeating ISIS will first require that we actually want to defeat them. Currently we do not.

If being against crimes against humanity is partisan hackery then I'm a partisan hack. Except I'm not. I think it's more likely you're one of those guys who thinks other people should go to war and commit crimes so you feel better about the limitations you suffer due to below average penis size.
 
I've always wondered the why most right wingers deride the federal government, while doing everything possible to be at the helm of such a government.

They seem to simply love capitalism while neglecting that such capitalism could not flourish and even survive without the democratic (and, YES, socialistic) precepts that workers are just as valuable as corporations.

We deride BIG and intrusive government... nobody's claiming we need to get rid of government. That's just your inner stupid telling you stories.
 

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