Perplexing dichotomy regarding R-W'ers

[IlarMeilyr]

When the OP starts of with a blatant straw man you know they have no interest in a real or honest discussion on the matter.

I've noticed that among right wingers any challenge to their ideology is labeled as a "straw man"......Interesting !

No. You didn't notice any such thing.

You just claim it.

There is a difference.

 

[nat4900]

FIRST of all, conservatives deride an OVER-REACHING & lawless federal government not some amorphous Federal Government in general, you dipshit.

And it only makes sense to try to gain political power IN the Federal Government to be in a position to try to reign it in and compel it to operate within its proper (limited) Constitutional province.

And your comprehension of the conservative view of capitalism is as ridiculously off as your other sub-cretin "understandings." Properly understood (in other words, far beyond your grasp), the conservative view of capitalism is that the market economy (by and large) works better when some idiot government worker doesn't try to manipulate it.

Speaking of dipshit.......

Will, you then, as the hypocritical right wingers that you are....be NOW willing to state that Government should ALSO stay out of the "women's right to choose issue".....The gay/lesbian right to marry issue. The "lets have prayer in schools issue" etc....?????

And, the "holy" market economy that works better without government interference, should have been brought out a bit more when it came to TARP or the latest WS bailout......that SAME market economy that believes in all-out "capitalism" when the going is good and profits high....BUT believes in "socialism" when the gambling doesn't pan out and the market economy needs taxpayers' bailouts.

 

[FA_Q2]

When the OP starts of with a blatant straw man you know they have no interest in a real or honest discussion on the matter.

I've noticed that among right wingers any challenge to their ideology is labeled as a "straw man"......Interesting !

Then, perhaps, you can show where you have done such a thing. It has been pointed out many times over where your OP is a blatant straw man. Not one attempt to correct it or even to bother to show how the charge is false.

Just this pathetic attempt to side step the point.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

FIRST of all, conservatives deride an OVER-REACHING & lawless federal government not some amorphous Federal Government in general, you dipshit.

And it only makes sense to try to gain political power IN the Federal Government to be in a position to try to reign it in and compel it to operate within its proper (limited) Constitutional province.

And your comprehension of the conservative view of capitalism is as ridiculously off as your other sub-cretin "understandings." Properly understood (in other words, far beyond your grasp), the conservative view of capitalism is that the market economy (by and large) works better when some idiot government worker doesn't try to manipulate it.

Speaking of dipshit.......

Will, you then, as the hypocritical right wingers that you are....be NOW willing to state that Government should ALSO stay out of the "women's right to choose issue".....The gay/lesbian right to marry issue. The "lets have prayer in schools issue" etc....?????

And, the "holy" market economy that works better without government interference, should have been brought out a bit more when it came to TARP or the latest WS bailout......that SAME market economy that believes in all-out "capitalism" when the going is good and profits high....BUT believes in "socialism" when the gambling doesn't pan out and the market economy needs taxpayers' bailouts.

Disagreeing with YOU is not a hallmark of hypocrisy since YOU have no consistent political philosophy and are tragically ILlogical.

Let me repeat something pretty BASIC for you. In the FIRST place I clearly noted that there is a place for regulation. Ergo, if you weren't being a bombastic twit, even YOU might take note of the fact that I CONCEDED that there sometimes IS a proper role for government in capitalism.

In the SECOND place, there is no Constitutional RIGHT to a capitalistic market economy. Butt there sure as heck IS a Constitutional RIGHT to life itself.

So, now, I believe it IS within the province of the Government to protect human life.

So much for your failure of a would-be "analogy." Hint" there is supposed to be some valid analog for any analogy to work. Keep that in mind in case you ever wish to try your hand at that kind of thing again.

Now, back to YOU, you dipshit.

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats forcing young workers to buy more health insurance than they need to fund government hand outs?

Well, nitwit, when that young worker rides on a motorcycle without a helmet, crashes and is brain dead.....WHO, exactly will take care of his bills for the next 60 or so years?

Look shit for brains that's why young people used to be able to purchase low cost catastrophic health insurance. Then lying corrupt lowlife filth scum Democrats passed a law forcing them to buy a lot more insurance than they need at that age, for more money, that's virtually worthless given the sky high deductibles. With friends like Democrats who needs enemies.

 

[SmokeALib]

Conservatives - God, guns, babies, freedom, liberty, property rights.
Liberals - a dependent class of self-serving hypocrites and sexual perverts looking for a huge, unaccountable, bankrupt government to think and do everything for them.

 

[nat4900]

In the SECOND place, there is no Constitutional RIGHT to a capitalistic market economy. Butt there sure as heck IS a Constitutional RIGHT to life itself.

So, now, I believe it IS within the province of the Government to protect human life.

So much for your failure of a would-be "analogy." Hint" there is supposed to be some valid analog for any analogy to work. Keep that in mind in case you ever wish to try your hand at that kind of thing again.

Now, back to YOU, you dipshit.

Not really worth my time to argue with hypocrites.......BTW, speaking of the province of government to protect human life, how many civilized countries still have the death penalty?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

In the SECOND place, there is no Constitutional RIGHT to a capitalistic market economy. Butt there sure as heck IS a Constitutional RIGHT to life itself.

So, now, I believe it IS within the province of the Government to protect human life.

So much for your failure of a would-be "analogy." Hint" there is supposed to be some valid analog for any analogy to work. Keep that in mind in case you ever wish to try your hand at that kind of thing again.

Now, back to YOU, you dipshit.

Not really worth my time to argue with hypocrites.......BTW, speaking of the province of government to protect human life, how many civilized countries still have the death penalty?

You ARE the arguing hypocrite. And you are NOT a particularly good debater at that.

Anyway, since I have refuted even your infantile premises, I understand why you'd find it more expedient to just cut and run. No worries. You weren't exactly a worthwhile opponent, anyway.

Whether other so-called "civilized" countries have a death penalty or not will not be the measure of whether (or not) we should have one.

By and large, I am opposed to the death penalty. but I (unlike drones such as you) do admit of some exceptions.

The "right to life" is NOT properly understood to mean that it is a right which can never be forfeited. Rights CAN sometimes be subject to forfeiture. Even YOU should be able to grasp that obvious (and plainly true) concept.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We will tell you all about how the debt has risen to 19 trillion under O, welfare record numbers, 100 million out of work, real unemployment at around 20 percent.

Lets see.....according to your stupidity...Obama single-handedly rose the debt ...Never mind the unpaid wars of GWB....Never mind, TARP, never mind the unpaid Medicare Advantage, never mind the latest bailout to WS....Obama just took that money and stashed it in the Caymans???

And, BTW, your imbecility ...when you state that we have 100 MILLION people out of work, do you even realize what a moronic statement that is...STOP WATCHING FOX.

O was complicit in all that I stated.

 

[Dovahkiin]

It is the same reason why Obama and other communist hate the rich but don't mind being rich themselves. Prepare to suck dick!

I stopped reading your post when you called Obama a communist.

 

[martybegan]

You equate mish mashing economics via the minimum wage as "helping workers", yet the only trend we are going to see is the replacement of said over-valued workers with machines, which makes their effective minimum wage zero.

and opposition to public sector unions is something even FDR was in favor of.

You've overdosed on FOX business talking-heads.....

If machines could do the work of these "over-valued" workers (your term), then greedy CEOs, CFOs and board members would eliminate laborers altogether,

Second, if you think so damn poorly of government, why should we do away with public sector unions?

I haven't watched cable news in 10 years. I usually use CNN's website for generic news, and of course, opinion websites to view opinions on the matters.

CEO's and such only want to replace over-cost labor. It's a simple economic fact that you cannot make money paying someone $15 to $8 worth of work.

And Public sector unions are one of the reasons government is screwed up in the first place.

 

[nat4900]

CEO's and such only want to replace over-cost labor. It's a simple economic fact that you cannot make money paying someone $15 to $8 worth of work.

It's rather interesting that "CEO's and such" who bemoan labor costs, turn to those SAME "overpaid" laborers to bail their sorry arses out when their gambling doesn't work out.....

 

[martybegan]

CEO's and such only want to replace over-cost labor. It's a simple economic fact that you cannot make money paying someone $15 to $8 worth of work.

It's rather interesting that "CEO's and such" who bemoan labor costs, turn to those SAME "overpaid" laborers to bail their sorry arses out when their gambling doesn't work out.....

What are you blathering about?

 

[nat4900]

What are you blathering about?

Language comprehension issues?

Here, I'll make it simple for you:

CEOs do NOT want to pay $15 minimum wage to common tax payers......However, when these CEOs' businesses fail, they DO turn to these same taxpayers for bailouts....Yes or No???

 

[martybegan]

What are you blathering about?

Language comprehension issues?

Here, I'll make it simple for you:

CEOs do NOT want to pay $15 minimum wage to common tax payers......However, when these CEOs' businesses fail, they DO turn to these same taxpayers for bailouts....Yes or No???

First, they are workers, not tax payers, and 2nd, those bailouts, as stupid as they were, prevented tons of said workers from being thrown out of work, and thus earning the actual minimum wage, which is $0.00

Plus, most of those bailouts were for companies that pay on average far more than $15 or even $30 an hour. I haven't seen any bailouts of burger king or McDonald's planned.

 

[nat4900]

First, they are workers, not tax payers,[/QUOTE]

What ??????

 

[martybegan]

First, they are workers, not tax payers,[/QUOTE]

What ??????

The fact they pay taxes does not entitle people to make more money than they are worth.

I'm not letting you use typical progressive dogma descriptions in this thread, so stop doing it.

 

[nat4900]

The fact they pay taxes does not entitle people to make more money than they are worth.

Great......so YOUR ilk determines what people are "worth"....you would have fit rather well in 1850s Alabama plantations.

 

[martybegan]

The fact they pay taxes does not entitle people to make more money than they are worth.

Great......so YOUR ilk determines what people are "worth"....you would have fit rather well in 1850s Alabama plantations.

Actually the results of their labor determines what people are worth, in conjunction with how much other people will pay for the end result of said labor.

The market determines it, pure and simple.

 

[nat4900]

Actually the results of their labor determines what people are worth

....and THAT is why rich people (plutocrats) DEMAND that they should run the country and rely on morons on the right to actually back them up.