People Within the FBI Need to Go to Prison

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Why did they break the law getting the warrant then lie about using the unverified dossier?
We know why.


On a sleepy summer Saturday, after months of stonewalling, the FBI dumped 412 pages of documents related to the Carter Page FISA surveillance warrants ā€” the applications, the certifications, and the warrants themselves. Now that we can see it all in black and white ā€” mostly black, as they are heavily redacted ā€” it is crystal clear that the Steele dossier, an unverified Clinton-campaign product, was the driving force behind the Trumpā€“Russia investigation.

Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election.

This sensational allegation came from Christopher Steele, the former British spy. The FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steeleā€™s work. Nor did the FBI and Justice Department inform the court that Steeleā€™s allegations had never been verified. To the contrary, each FISA application ā€” the original one in October 2016, and the three renewals at 90-day intervals ā€” is labeled ā€œVERIFIED APPLICATIONā€ (bold caps in original). And each one makes this breathtaking representation:

The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).

In reality, the applications were never verified for accuracy.

What ā€˜Verifyā€™ Means

Consider this: The representation that the FBIā€™s verification procedures include sending the application to ā€œappropriate field officesā€ is standard in FISA warrant applications. It is done because the FBIā€™s Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) mandates that the bureau ā€œensure that information appearing in a FISA application that is presented to the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] has been thoroughly vetted and confirmed.ā€ (See House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes March 1, 2018, letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, embedded here.) The point is to assure the court that the FBI has corroborated the allegations in the warrant application in the usual way.

A hypothetical shows how this works. Letā€™s say that X, an informant, tells the FBI in Washington that Y, a person in St. Louis, told him that Z, the suspect, is plotting to rob the bank.

Xā€™s story is unverified; he doesnā€™t know anything firsthand about Z ā€” he only knows what Y has told him. Obviously, then, the FBI does not instantly run to court and seek a warrant against Z. Instead, the bureau sends an investigative ā€œleadā€ from headquarters in Washington to the FBI field office in St. Louis. FBI agents in St. Louis then go find and interview Y. Based on that interview, the FBI gathers supporting information (perhaps physical surveillance of Z, scrutiny of available documents and records about Z, etc.). Only then, after debriefing the witness with competent knowledge, do the Justice Department and FBI seek a warrant against Z from the court. In the application, they explain to the judge that they have verified Xā€™s information by interviewing Y and then corroborating Yā€™s version of events. In fact, if they get solid enough information about Z from Y, there may be no reason even to mention X, whose tip to the FBI was sheer hearsay.

But that is not what happened with the Carter Page FISA warrants.

Were the allegations thoroughly vetted and confirmed by proof independent of Steele before being presented to the FISA court? No, they were not.
The FBI presented the court with allegations posited by Steele. He is in the position of X in our hypothetical. He is not the source of any of the relevant information on which the court was asked to rely for its probable-cause finding that Page was a clandestine agent of Russia. In this context, source means a reliable witness who saw or heard some occurrence on which the court is being asked to base its ruling.

Steele has not been in Russia for about 20 years. In connection with the dossier allegations, he was merely the purveyor of information from the actual sources ā€” unidentified Russians who themselves relied on hearsay information from other sources (sometimes double and triple hearsay, very attenuated from the supposed original source).

Keep readingā€¦
 
WOW, send the law enforcers rather than the law breakers to jail. Welcome to the new conservatism.
 
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WOW, send the law enforcers rather than the law breakers to jail. Welcome to the new conservatism.


Lying to a Judge to obtain a warrant is a crime, Shitforbrains.
Hey Dumbass here is a link, and real news, that can explain the Steele Dossier and its links to the Mueller Investigation that even you may be able to understand.

Trump Says The Steele Dossier Launched The Mueller Probe - It Didn't
Shitforbrains, it was released, we can read it. The Dossier was the primary evidence.
 
Imagine if, after 9/11, the president had said that the World Trade Center and Pentagon could have been attacked by ā€œChinaā€ or ā€œlots of other people.ā€ Imagine if he had dismissed claims of al-Qaedaā€™s responsibility as a ā€œhoaxā€ and said that he ā€œreallyā€ believed Osama bin Ladenā€™s denials. Imagine if he saw the attack primarily as a political embarrassment to be minimized rather than as a national security threat to be combated. Imagine if he threatened to fire the investigators trying to find out what happened.


Imagine, moreover, if the president refused to appoint a commission to study how to safeguard America. Imagine if, as a result, we did not harden cockpit doors. If we did not create a Transportation Security Administration and a Department of Homeland Security. If we did not lower barriers between law enforcement and intelligence. If we did not pass a USA Patriot Act to enhance surveillance. And if we did not take myriad other steps to prevent another 9/11.


Thatā€™s roughly where we stand after the second-worst foreign attack on America in the past two decades. The Russian subversion of the 2016 election did not, to be sure, kill nearly 3,000 people. But its longer-term impact may be even more corrosive by undermining faith in our democracy.


The evidence of Russian meddling became ā€œincontrovertible,ā€ in the word of national security adviser H.R. McMaster, after special counsel Robert S. Mueller III indicted 13 Russians and three Russian organizations on Friday for taking part in this operation. ā€œDefendantsā€™ operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump (ā€˜Trump Campaignā€™) and disparaging Hillary Clinton,ā€ the indictment charges.


Yet in a disturbing weekend tweetstorm, President Trump attacked the FBI, Democrats, even McMaster ā€” anyone but the Russians. He sought to minimize the impact of the Kremlinā€™s intrusion, tweeting: ā€œThe results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!ā€ Actually, thereā€™s plenty of evidence of collusion, including the infamous June 2016 meeting that Trumpā€™s son, son-in-law and campaign manager held with Russian representatives who promised to ā€œincriminateā€ Hillary Clinton.


There is also considerable evidence that the Kremlin impacted the election, which was decided by fewer than 80,000 votes in three states. Trump must have thought the Russian operation was significant because he mentioned its handiwork ā€” the release of Democratic Party documents via WikiLeaks ā€” 137 times in the final month of the campaign. On top of that, Russian propaganda reached at least 126 million Americans via Facebook alone.


The onslaught did not end in 2016. Russian trolls have continued promoting hashtags such as #ReleaseTheMemo to sow dissension and division. Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats just testified that Russia ā€œviews the 2018 U.S. midterm elections as a potential target for Russian influence operations.ā€ Yet Trump has never convened a Cabinet meeting to address this threat and has resisted implementing sanctions passed by Congress.


The presidentā€™s obstructionism makes it impossible to appoint an 11/8 Commission to study this cyber-assault and to recommend responses. Various agencies, such as the FBI, are trying to combat the Russians on their own, but there is no coordinated response.


 
Imagine if, after 9/11, the president had said that the World Trade Center and Pentagon could have been attacked by ā€œChinaā€ or ā€œlots of other people.ā€ Imagine if he had dismissed claims of al-Qaedaā€™s responsibility as a ā€œhoaxā€ and said that he ā€œreallyā€ believed Osama bin Ladenā€™s denials. Imagine if he saw the attack primarily as a political embarrassment to be minimized rather than as a national security threat to be combated. Imagine if he threatened to fire the investigators trying to find out what happened.


Imagine, moreover, if the president refused to appoint a commission to study how to safeguard America. Imagine if, as a result, we did not harden cockpit doors. If we did not create a Transportation Security Administration and a Department of Homeland Security. If we did not lower barriers between law enforcement and intelligence. If we did not pass a USA Patriot Act to enhance surveillance. And if we did not take myriad other steps to prevent another 9/11.


Thatā€™s roughly where we stand after the second-worst foreign attack on America in the past two decades. The Russian subversion of the 2016 election did not, to be sure, kill nearly 3,000 people. But its longer-term impact may be even more corrosive by undermining faith in our democracy.


The evidence of Russian meddling became ā€œincontrovertible,ā€ in the word of national security adviser H.R. McMaster, after special counsel Robert S. Mueller III indicted 13 Russians and three Russian organizations on Friday for taking part in this operation. ā€œDefendantsā€™ operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump (ā€˜Trump Campaignā€™) and disparaging Hillary Clinton,ā€ the indictment charges.


Yet in a disturbing weekend tweetstorm, President Trump attacked the FBI, Democrats, even McMaster ā€” anyone but the Russians. He sought to minimize the impact of the Kremlinā€™s intrusion, tweeting: ā€œThe results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!ā€ Actually, thereā€™s plenty of evidence of collusion, including the infamous June 2016 meeting that Trumpā€™s son, son-in-law and campaign manager held with Russian representatives who promised to ā€œincriminateā€ Hillary Clinton.


There is also considerable evidence that the Kremlin impacted the election, which was decided by fewer than 80,000 votes in three states. Trump must have thought the Russian operation was significant because he mentioned its handiwork ā€” the release of Democratic Party documents via WikiLeaks ā€” 137 times in the final month of the campaign. On top of that, Russian propaganda reached at least 126 million Americans via Facebook alone.


The onslaught did not end in 2016. Russian trolls have continued promoting hashtags such as #ReleaseTheMemo to sow dissension and division. Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats just testified that Russia ā€œviews the 2018 U.S. midterm elections as a potential target for Russian influence operations.ā€ Yet Trump has never convened a Cabinet meeting to address this threat and has resisted implementing sanctions passed by Congress.


The presidentā€™s obstructionism makes it impossible to appoint an 11/8 Commission to study this cyber-assault and to recommend responses. Various agencies, such as the FBI, are trying to combat the Russians on their own, but there is no coordinated response.

The government lying to violate the Rights of citizens is the worst crime possible to assault America.
 
Just as Sept. 11 made clear that private security could not safeguard the aviation system, so the 2016 Russian attack made clear that social media companies cannot safeguard the electoral system. A greater federal role is needed, yet Trump refuses to even admit that the problem exists.


The most benign explanation is that he is putting his vanity ā€” he canā€™t have anything taint his glorious victory ā€” above his obligation to ā€œprotect and defend the Constitution.ā€ The more sinister hypothesis is that he has something to hide and, having benefited from Russiaā€™s assistance once, hopes for more aid in 2018 and 2020. Either way, we are at war without a commander in chief.


Russian hackers are currently targeting the U.S. election system ā€” and President Donald Trump hasn't formally asked the NSA how to stop it, agency head Adm. Mike Rogers told lawmakers.


Trump hasn't directed NSA chief to strike back at Russian hackers


February 27, 2018

NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election

NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election

 
Why did they break the law getting the warrant then lie about using the unverified dossier?
We know why.


On a sleepy summer Saturday, after months of stonewalling, the FBI dumped 412 pages of documents related to the Carter Page FISA surveillance warrants ā€” the applications, the certifications, and the warrants themselves. Now that we can see it all in black and white ā€” mostly black, as they are heavily redacted ā€” it is crystal clear that the Steele dossier, an unverified Clinton-campaign product, was the driving force behind the Trumpā€“Russia investigation.

Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election.

This sensational allegation came from Christopher Steele, the former British spy. The FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steeleā€™s work. Nor did the FBI and Justice Department inform the court that Steeleā€™s allegations had never been verified. To the contrary, each FISA application ā€” the original one in October 2016, and the three renewals at 90-day intervals ā€” is labeled ā€œVERIFIED APPLICATIONā€ (bold caps in original). And each one makes this breathtaking representation:

The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).

In reality, the applications were never verified for accuracy.

What ā€˜Verifyā€™ Means

Consider this: The representation that the FBIā€™s verification procedures include sending the application to ā€œappropriate field officesā€ is standard in FISA warrant applications. It is done because the FBIā€™s Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) mandates that the bureau ā€œensure that information appearing in a FISA application that is presented to the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] has been thoroughly vetted and confirmed.ā€ (See House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes March 1, 2018, letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, embedded here.) The point is to assure the court that the FBI has corroborated the allegations in the warrant application in the usual way.

A hypothetical shows how this works. Letā€™s say that X, an informant, tells the FBI in Washington that Y, a person in St. Louis, told him that Z, the suspect, is plotting to rob the bank.

Xā€™s story is unverified; he doesnā€™t know anything firsthand about Z ā€” he only knows what Y has told him. Obviously, then, the FBI does not instantly run to court and seek a warrant against Z. Instead, the bureau sends an investigative ā€œleadā€ from headquarters in Washington to the FBI field office in St. Louis. FBI agents in St. Louis then go find and interview Y. Based on that interview, the FBI gathers supporting information (perhaps physical surveillance of Z, scrutiny of available documents and records about Z, etc.). Only then, after debriefing the witness with competent knowledge, do the Justice Department and FBI seek a warrant against Z from the court. In the application, they explain to the judge that they have verified Xā€™s information by interviewing Y and then corroborating Yā€™s version of events. In fact, if they get solid enough information about Z from Y, there may be no reason even to mention X, whose tip to the FBI was sheer hearsay.

But that is not what happened with the Carter Page FISA warrants.

Were the allegations thoroughly vetted and confirmed by proof independent of Steele before being presented to the FISA court? No, they were not.
The FBI presented the court with allegations posited by Steele. He is in the position of X in our hypothetical. He is not the source of any of the relevant information on which the court was asked to rely for its probable-cause finding that Page was a clandestine agent of Russia. In this context, source means a reliable witness who saw or heard some occurrence on which the court is being asked to base its ruling.

Steele has not been in Russia for about 20 years. In connection with the dossier allegations, he was merely the purveyor of information from the actual sources ā€” unidentified Russians who themselves relied on hearsay information from other sources (sometimes double and triple hearsay, very attenuated from the supposed original source).

Keep readingā€¦




Sadly, no one will ever go to prison for this. Plenty of republicans are as invested it wrecking Trump as Democrats are.
 
Why did they break the law getting the warrant then lie about using the unverified dossier?
We know why.


On a sleepy summer Saturday, after months of stonewalling, the FBI dumped 412 pages of documents related to the Carter Page FISA surveillance warrants ā€” the applications, the certifications, and the warrants themselves. Now that we can see it all in black and white ā€” mostly black, as they are heavily redacted ā€” it is crystal clear that the Steele dossier, an unverified Clinton-campaign product, was the driving force behind the Trumpā€“Russia investigation.

Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election.

This sensational allegation came from Christopher Steele, the former British spy. The FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steeleā€™s work. Nor did the FBI and Justice Department inform the court that Steeleā€™s allegations had never been verified. To the contrary, each FISA application ā€” the original one in October 2016, and the three renewals at 90-day intervals ā€” is labeled ā€œVERIFIED APPLICATIONā€ (bold caps in original). And each one makes this breathtaking representation:

The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).

In reality, the applications were never verified for accuracy.

What ā€˜Verifyā€™ Means

Consider this: The representation that the FBIā€™s verification procedures include sending the application to ā€œappropriate field officesā€ is standard in FISA warrant applications. It is done because the FBIā€™s Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) mandates that the bureau ā€œensure that information appearing in a FISA application that is presented to the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] has been thoroughly vetted and confirmed.ā€ (See House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes March 1, 2018, letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, embedded here.) The point is to assure the court that the FBI has corroborated the allegations in the warrant application in the usual way.

A hypothetical shows how this works. Letā€™s say that X, an informant, tells the FBI in Washington that Y, a person in St. Louis, told him that Z, the suspect, is plotting to rob the bank.

Xā€™s story is unverified; he doesnā€™t know anything firsthand about Z ā€” he only knows what Y has told him. Obviously, then, the FBI does not instantly run to court and seek a warrant against Z. Instead, the bureau sends an investigative ā€œleadā€ from headquarters in Washington to the FBI field office in St. Louis. FBI agents in St. Louis then go find and interview Y. Based on that interview, the FBI gathers supporting information (perhaps physical surveillance of Z, scrutiny of available documents and records about Z, etc.). Only then, after debriefing the witness with competent knowledge, do the Justice Department and FBI seek a warrant against Z from the court. In the application, they explain to the judge that they have verified Xā€™s information by interviewing Y and then corroborating Yā€™s version of events. In fact, if they get solid enough information about Z from Y, there may be no reason even to mention X, whose tip to the FBI was sheer hearsay.

But that is not what happened with the Carter Page FISA warrants.

Were the allegations thoroughly vetted and confirmed by proof independent of Steele before being presented to the FISA court? No, they were not.
The FBI presented the court with allegations posited by Steele. He is in the position of X in our hypothetical. He is not the source of any of the relevant information on which the court was asked to rely for its probable-cause finding that Page was a clandestine agent of Russia. In this context, source means a reliable witness who saw or heard some occurrence on which the court is being asked to base its ruling.

Steele has not been in Russia for about 20 years. In connection with the dossier allegations, he was merely the purveyor of information from the actual sources ā€” unidentified Russians who themselves relied on hearsay information from other sources (sometimes double and triple hearsay, very attenuated from the supposed original source).

Keep readingā€¦



Damn right they need to go to jail.

This agent obviously committed perjury. And why did they redact their name and the date.


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"Republicans are mere enablers. They and their president would do well to remember who the Watergate source worked for"

Trump's attack on the FBI is an attack on the US constitution itself


Since his election, revelations of Donald Trumpā€™s contempt for the legal process have been dizzying. The rule of law is what protects democracy in the United States. The president has done everything possible to subvert it.

Congressional Republicans who stick by Trump and protect him will be remembered as the villains of Washingtonā€™s unfolding drama. They are the ones enabling an epic White House end run around the constitution.

Instead of holding Trump to account, Republicans are joining him in a cynical attempt to tarnish the FBI and undermine the criminal investigation into Russian election meddling.
 
Just as Sept. 11 made clear that private security could not safeguard the aviation system, so the 2016 Russian attack made clear that social media companies cannot safeguard the electoral system. A greater federal role is needed, yet Trump refuses to even admit that the problem exists.


The most benign explanation is that he is putting his vanity ā€” he canā€™t have anything taint his glorious victory ā€” above his obligation to ā€œprotect and defend the Constitution.ā€ The more sinister hypothesis is that he has something to hide and, having benefited from Russiaā€™s assistance once, hopes for more aid in 2018 and 2020. Either way, we are at war without a commander in chief.


Russian hackers are currently targeting the U.S. election system ā€” and President Donald Trump hasn't formally asked the NSA how to stop it, agency head Adm. Mike Rogers told lawmakers.


Trump hasn't directed NSA chief to strike back at Russian hackers


February 27, 2018

NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election


NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election
While Obama told the NSA to stand down when told about Russian interference in 2016.
 
https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/sessions-defends-rosenstein-after-move-to-impeach-him/

Attorney General Jeff Sessions and House Speaker Paul Ryan on Thursday defended Rod Rosenstein after a handful of right-wing Republican lawmakers who zealously back President Trump moved to impeach the deputy AG.


ā€œMy deputy, Rod Rosenstein, is highly capable. I have the highest confidence in him,ā€ Sessions said during an appearance in Boston, before essentially thumbing his nose at the 11 Republicans who launched the effort.



die-hard trump deranged traitors are slowing being isolated. :eusa_clap:

 
Why did they break the law getting the warrant then lie about using the unverified dossier?
We know why.


On a sleepy summer Saturday, after months of stonewalling, the FBI dumped 412 pages of documents related to the Carter Page FISA surveillance warrants ā€” the applications, the certifications, and the warrants themselves. Now that we can see it all in black and white ā€” mostly black, as they are heavily redacted ā€” it is crystal clear that the Steele dossier, an unverified Clinton-campaign product, was the driving force behind the Trumpā€“Russia investigation.

Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election.

This sensational allegation came from Christopher Steele, the former British spy. The FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steeleā€™s work. Nor did the FBI and Justice Department inform the court that Steeleā€™s allegations had never been verified. To the contrary, each FISA application ā€” the original one in October 2016, and the three renewals at 90-day intervals ā€” is labeled ā€œVERIFIED APPLICATIONā€ (bold caps in original). And each one makes this breathtaking representation:

The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).

In reality, the applications were never verified for accuracy.

What ā€˜Verifyā€™ Means

Consider this: The representation that the FBIā€™s verification procedures include sending the application to ā€œappropriate field officesā€ is standard in FISA warrant applications. It is done because the FBIā€™s Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) mandates that the bureau ā€œensure that information appearing in a FISA application that is presented to the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] has been thoroughly vetted and confirmed.ā€ (See House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes March 1, 2018, letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, embedded here.) The point is to assure the court that the FBI has corroborated the allegations in the warrant application in the usual way.

A hypothetical shows how this works. Letā€™s say that X, an informant, tells the FBI in Washington that Y, a person in St. Louis, told him that Z, the suspect, is plotting to rob the bank.

Xā€™s story is unverified; he doesnā€™t know anything firsthand about Z ā€” he only knows what Y has told him. Obviously, then, the FBI does not instantly run to court and seek a warrant against Z. Instead, the bureau sends an investigative ā€œleadā€ from headquarters in Washington to the FBI field office in St. Louis. FBI agents in St. Louis then go find and interview Y. Based on that interview, the FBI gathers supporting information (perhaps physical surveillance of Z, scrutiny of available documents and records about Z, etc.). Only then, after debriefing the witness with competent knowledge, do the Justice Department and FBI seek a warrant against Z from the court. In the application, they explain to the judge that they have verified Xā€™s information by interviewing Y and then corroborating Yā€™s version of events. In fact, if they get solid enough information about Z from Y, there may be no reason even to mention X, whose tip to the FBI was sheer hearsay.

But that is not what happened with the Carter Page FISA warrants.

Were the allegations thoroughly vetted and confirmed by proof independent of Steele before being presented to the FISA court? No, they were not.
The FBI presented the court with allegations posited by Steele. He is in the position of X in our hypothetical. He is not the source of any of the relevant information on which the court was asked to rely for its probable-cause finding that Page was a clandestine agent of Russia. In this context, source means a reliable witness who saw or heard some occurrence on which the court is being asked to base its ruling.

Steele has not been in Russia for about 20 years. In connection with the dossier allegations, he was merely the purveyor of information from the actual sources ā€” unidentified Russians who themselves relied on hearsay information from other sources (sometimes double and triple hearsay, very attenuated from the supposed original source).

Keep readingā€¦




Sadly, no one will ever go to prison for this. Plenty of republicans are as invested it wrecking Trump as Democrats are.
You may be correct. the Deep State is deep.
 

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