Pennsylvania presidential election results could again take days to count

[otto105]

The ones who claim they are citizens and register to vote, and then vote because we don't do anything to make sure they are actually citizens. We just take their word for it.

So, college students, military personnel and native Americans in state.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The best way to stop this is to limit mail-in ballots to the old, infirm, or military. That’s what we did before COVID, and there’s no reason not to return to it.

No, the best way to stop the delay is to allow security screening of ballot envelopes in advance of election day. Once cleared, the actual ballot is then separated from the envelop and placed in sealed containers. Then on election day they can be counted without delay.

Restricting mail-in ballot is the best way to try to reduce the number of opposition voters since it's been shown that DEM's favored mail-in balloting over in-person balloting. That would be true.

WW

 

[otto105]

No, the best way to stop the delay is to allow security screening of ballot envelopes in advance of election day. Once cleared, the actual ballot is then separated from the envelop and placed in sealed containers. Then on election day they can be counted without delay.

Restricting mail-in ballot is the best way to try to reduce the number of opposition voters since it's been shown that DEM's favored mail-in balloting over in-person balloting. That would be true.

WW

Explain Colorado

 

[WorldWatcher]

Explain Colorado

Explain what?

"1-7.5-107.5. Counting mail ballots.

The election officials at the mail ballot counting place may receive and prepare mail ballots delivered and turned over to them by the designated election official for tabulation. Counting of the mail ballots may begin fifteen days prior to the election and continue until counting is completed. The election official in charge of the mail ballot counting place shall take all precautions necessary to ensure the secrecy of the counting procedures, and no information concerning the count shall be released by the election officials or watchers until after 7 p.m. on election day."

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C.R.S. Title 1 Elections

www.sos.state.co.us

 

[Lisa558]

Explain what?

"1-7.5-107.5. Counting mail ballots.

The election officials at the mail ballot counting place may receive and prepare mail ballots delivered and turned over to them by the designated election official for tabulation. Counting of the mail ballots may begin fifteen days prior to the election and continue until counting is completed. The election official in charge of the mail ballot counting place shall take all precautions necessary to ensure the secrecy of the counting procedures, and no information concerning the count shall be released by the election officials or watchers until after 7 p.m. on election day."

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C.R.S. Title 1 Elections

www.sos.state.co.us

That’s a MAJOR issue that needs to be corrected: mail-in ballots can continue to be counted until completed? What if it takes a week AFTER Election Day to collect mail-in ballots to overcome Trump’s lead? What if it takes two weeks?

 

[WorldWatcher]

That’s a MAJOR issue that needs to be corrected: mail-in ballots can continue to be counted until completed? What if it takes a week AFTER Election Day to collect mail-in ballots to overcome Trump’s lead? What if it takes two weeks?

Don't know what you are talking about. No where does the link provided for Colorado law say that mail-in ballots can be received for weeks.

As a matter of fact it says: "(II) If an eligible elector returns the ballot by mail, the elector must provide postage. The ballot shall be received at the office of the county clerk and recorder or designated election official or a designated drop-off location, which shall remain open until 7 p.m. on election day. All envelopes containing mail ballots must be in the hands of the county clerk and recorder or designated election official no later than 7 p.m. on the day of the election."

Ballots have to be received by election day to be counted. You are confusing "counting" with "receiving".

Now which state to you think will be able to count and provide certified results? The state that allows the mail-in ballot security screening 15 days prior to election day (results kept sealed) or the state that doesn't even allow mail-in ballots to be touched until election day?

WW

 

[Lisa558]

Don't know what you are talking about. No where does the link provided for Colorado law say that mail-in ballots can be received for weeks.

As a matter of fact it says: "(II) If an eligible elector returns the ballot by mail, the elector must provide postage. The ballot shall be received at the office of the county clerk and recorder or designated election official or a designated drop-off location, which shall remain open until 7 p.m. on election day. All envelopes containing mail ballots must be in the hands of the county clerk and recorder or designated election official no later than 7 p.m. on the day of the election."

Ballots have to be received by election day to be counted. You are confusing "counting" with "receiving".

Now which state to you think will be able to count and provide certified results? The state that allows the mail-in ballot security screening 15 days prior to election day (results kept sealed) or the state that doesn't even allow mail-in ballots to be touched until election day?

WW

Then how were states still counting ballots a full week or more after Election Day? Lots of chances to sneak in thousands of last-minute ballots once the Dems know how many they need.

Or, if assuming these tens of thousands were post-marked by Election Day, and they delay the final tally for a week, this just prove the system was never set up or capable of dealing with a mail-in election.

And there’s a reason we never had a massive mail-in election - way too much chance for error and fraud. This was supposed to be an exception due to COVID.

We need to go back to in-person voting except for the elderly, disabled, or military.

 

[jknowgood]

Done what, Short Bus?

Yeah you loons threw Biden under the bus quick. But the good thing is he got his revenge and nominated Harris before you could nominate someone who could beat Trump.

 

[otto105]

Then how were states still counting ballots a full week or more after Election Day? Lots of chances to sneak in thousands of last-minute ballots once the Dems know how many they need.

Or, if assuming these tens of thousands were post-marked by Election Day, and they delay the final tally for a week, this just prove the system was never set up or capable of dealing with a mail-in election.

And there’s a reason we never had a massive mail-in election - way too much chance for error and fraud. This was supposed to be an exception due to COVID.

We need to go back to in-person voting except for the elderly, disabled, or military.

Hilarious

Grandma lisa. Have you asked yourself why republic fuckups keep laws on books that don’t allow states to count mail-in votes as they receive them.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Then how were states still counting ballots a full week or more after Election Day? Lots of chances to sneak in thousands of last-minute ballots once the Dems know how many they need.

Or, if assuming these tens of thousands were post-marked by Election Day, and they delay the final tally for a week, this just prove the system was never set up or capable of dealing with a mail-in election.

The results you see election night are preliminary. States are always counting votes for weeks after the election. Final vote certication does not occur election night. Many states allow for late receipt of Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) votes as long as they are post marked by election day and this is NOT a COVID change as this was standard for decades.

Part of that process is to compare the number of votes cast to the number of votes counted. The idea that DEMs can inject 10's or 100's of thousands of ballots overnight and not have that show up in the quality assurance review is horn swoggle.

And there’s a reason we never had a massive mail-in election - way too much chance for error and fraud. This was supposed to be an exception due to COVID.

All before COVID:

CALIFORNIA
Allowed counties to do all mail voting in 2016.

COLORADO
2013 All mail-in voting starts.

OREGON:
1998 All mail-in voting starts.

UTAH
2014 All mail-in voting starts.

WASHINGTON
2011 All mail-in voting starts.

MICHIGAN
2018 Starts no excuse mail-in voting.

We need to go back to in-person voting except for the elderly, disabled, or military.

No. We need to keep mail-in voting in a secure fashion in integral part of the American voting process to secure a democratic result.

WW

 

[Lisa558]

The results you see election night are preliminary. States are always counting votes for weeks after the election. Final vote certication does not occur election night. Many states allow for late receipt of Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) votes as long as they are post marked by election day and this is NOT a COVID change as this was standard for decades.

Part of that process is to compare the number of votes cast to the number of votes counted. The idea that DEMs can inject 10's or 100's of thousands of ballots overnight and not have that show up in the quality assurance review is horn swoggle.



All before COVID:

CALIFORNIA
Allowed counties to do all mail voting in 2016.

COLORADO
2013 All mail-in voting starts.

OREGON:
1998 All mail-in voting starts.

UTAH
2014 All mail-in voting starts.

WASHINGTON
2011 All mail-in voting starts.

MICHIGAN
2018 Starts no excuse mail-in voting.



No. We need to keep mail-in voting in a secure fashion in integral part of the American voting process to secure a democratic result.

WW

Why is widespread mail in voting needed to ensure a democratic result? All Americans get to vote - they just need to do it in person. Nobody’s right to vote is being removed.

Unless you’re old (my dad voted in person at age 91), disabled, or stationed overseas, all adults can vote for their candidate in person. With mail-in, Dems can have tens of thousands of harvested ballots, collected from ignorant and gullible people, focusing on heavily Dem areas.

How is it fair to fund 250,000 activists to collect ballots in Dem areas from people who are clueless about the candidates to negate the votes of Republican voters who are studied and knowledgeable? All you’re doing is ensuring the election is decided by ignorant people who don’t know the first thing about the candidates.

My one concession would be to make Election Day a holiday so nobody would be required to work that day,

 

[WorldWatcher]

Why is widespread mail in voting needed to ensure a democratic result? All Americans get to vote - they just need to do it in person. Nobody’s right to vote is being removed.

There is no need to not have mail-in voting, making mail-in voting (which is very popular) as difficult as possible to suppress the opposition party is a well known desire.

Unless you’re old (my dad voted in person at age 91), disabled, or stationed overseas, all adults can vote for their candidate in person.

So if I'm in the military and vote in New York and stationed in Florida I don't get to vote? (I mean I'm not overseas.)

And no, when stationed in TN, CA, and FL I couldn't get to vote in person as I was never a resident of those states.

With mail-in, Dems can have tens of thousands of harvested ballots, collected from ignorant and gullible people, focusing on heavily Dem areas.

How is it fair to fund 250,000 activists to collect ballots in Dem areas...

Not a fan of the idea of ballot harvesting, and have no problems restricting the ability of 3rd party organizations (which DEMs aren't the only ones) from collecting mail-in ballots for return.

This does not include family members of designated personnel at care facilities.

Such as the GOP setting up false drop boxes to harvest ballots.

California Republican Party Admits It Placed Misleading Ballot Boxes Around State (Published 2020)

Government officials say the receptacles are illegal and could lead to election fraud, but the party says it will continue the practice.

www.nytimes.com

from people who are clueless about the candidates to negate the votes of Republican voters who are studied and knowledgeable? All you’re doing is ensuring the election is decided by ignorant people who don’t know the first thing about the candidates.

I thought we were having a serious discussion until we got here. Republican's are "studied and knowledgeable" because you are with them? And this is the party that supports someone that:

• Owes someone $5 million for defamation,
• Could keep his mouth shut and added another $83.5 million to the total.
• Operated his business in a fraudulent manner and now owes the State $454 million.
• Boinked a porn star, cheating on his mistress playboy model all while his wife was home just having delivered his son. His 3rd wife by the way whom he cheated on while married to his 2nd wife. His 2nd wife by the way whom he cheated on while married to his 1st wife.
• Has been barred from operating charities in a state because of fraudulent practices.
• Has had his company convicted of tax fraud.
• Has been personally convicted of 34 felony counts of business fraud.
• Bankrupt multiple businesses including 2 casino's where the business model is literally people walk in and hand you their money.

This is the person these "studied and knowledgeable" Republican's want running the country? I was a loyal GOP voter from 1978 to 2016 (voting for a GOP candidate twice), and I will not support a MAGA GOP candidate, now my vote has to be earned again.

My one concession would be to make Election Day a holiday so nobody would be required to work that day,

Your concession isn't needed. Mail-in voting is popular, the people like it. It's not going anywhere.

WW

 

[Lisa558]

There is no need to not have mail-in voting, making mail-in voting (which is very popular) as difficult as possible to suppress the opposition party is a well known desire.

And there is no need to HAVE mail-in, other than it allows the Dem party to have “halt the count,” send observers from the GOP party out of the room, tape up windows so nobody can see what they’re doing, and then bring in 10,000 ballots of which 99% is marked for the “halt the count” party - which is a statistically impossibility.

All eligible adults are allowed to vote in-person. Nobody’s rights are being violated.

So if I'm in the military and vote in New York and stationed in Florida I don't get to vote? (I mean I'm not overseas.)

You’re splitting words. Obviously I meant stationed out of town.

And no, when stationed in TN, CA, and FL I couldn't get to vote in person as I was never a resident of those states.

See above.

Not a fan of the idea of ballot harvesting, and have no problems restricting the ability of 3rd party organizations (which DEMs aren't the only ones) from collecting mail-in ballots for return.

This does not include family members of designated personnel at care facilities.

You have to really watch the care facilitites. They got one guy, that I know of, who was caught with 300 ballots in his car, all from the same care facility, and all marked for Biden.

Such as the GOP setting up false drop boxes to harvest ballots.

So a lib media reported on the GOP? Where are their reports on the Dem Party, which has perfected the art of cheating. The GOP wanted surveillance cameras at each drop box, but the Dem Party objected.

California Republican Party Admits It Placed Misleading Ballot Boxes Around State (Published 2020)

Government officials say the receptacles are illegal and could lead to election fraud, but the party says it will continue the practice.

www.nytimes.com

I thought we were having a serious discussion until we got here. Republican's are "studied and knowledgeable" because you are with them? And this is the party that supports someone that:

• Owes someone $5 million for defamation,
• Could keep his mouth shut and added another $83.5 million to the total.
• Operated his business in a fraudulent manner and now owes the State $454 million.
• Boinked a porn star, cheating on his mistress playboy model all while his wife was home just having delivered his son. His 3rd wife by the way whom he cheated on while married to his 2nd wife. His 2nd wife by the way whom he cheated on while married to his 1st wife.
• Has been barred from operating charities in a state because of fraudulent practices.
• Has had his company convicted of tax fraud.
• Has been personally convicted of 34 felony counts of business fraud.
• Bankrupt multiple businesses including 2 casino's where the business model is literally people walk in and hand you their money.

This is the person these "studied and knowledgeable" Republican's want running the country? I was a loyal GOP voter from 1978 to 2016 (voting for a GOP candidate twice), and I will not support a MAGA GOP candidate, now my vote has to be earned again.

Not going to go down the rabbit hole with you on this one, given the rampant cheating and corruption among Dems. This discussion is about mail-in ballots.

Your concession isn't needed. Mail-in voting is popular, the people like it. It's not going anywhere.

Who says “the people” like it? The Dems like it because it enables their cheating. The GOP is opposed becuase we want an honest election.

WW

 

[bendo]

And ga in 20 approved mail in balloting to help trump, and trump told people to not use it.

And there is no need to HAVE mail-in, other than it allows the Dem party to have “halt the count,” send observers from the GOP party out of the room, tape up windows so nobody can see what they’re doing, and then bring in 10,000 ballots of which 99% is marked for the “halt the count” party - which is a statistically impossibility.

All eligible adults are allowed to vote in-person. Nobody’s rights are being violated.


You’re splitting words. Obviously I meant stationed out of town.

See above.


You have to really watch the care facilitites. They got one guy, that I know of, who was caught with 300 ballots in his car, all from the same care facility, and all marked for Biden.



So a lib media reported on the GOP? Where are their reports on the Dem Party, which has perfected the art of cheating. The GOP wanted surveillance cameras at each drop box, but the Dem Party objected.


Not going to go down the rabbit hole with you on this one, given the rampant cheating and corruption among Dems. This discussion is about mail-in ballots.


Who says “the people” like it? The Dems like it because it enables their cheating. The GOP is opposed becuase we want an honest electi

Sweet. WW just gave you, free of charge, an answer to a stupid question, and you simply go .... cheaters. too funny

GUESS what party enacted pa's election laws

 

[Lisa558]

And ga in 20 approved mail in balloting to help trump, and trump told people to not use it.

Sweet. WW just gave you, free of charge, an answer to a stupid question, and you simply go .... cheaters. too funny

Obviously, ^^^ a Dem who knows the only way to pull a candidate who is hiding from the voters - no interviews, no press conferences, no policies on the website, no unscripted answers to anything - over the finish is via cheating.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And there is no need to HAVE mail-in, other than it allows the Dem party to have “halt the count,”

Incorrect. Mail-in voter increases voter participation. I get you don't like that the increase is mostly among DEMs for now. Give it time it will level out if the GOP stops demonizing mail-in voting.

send observers from the GOP party out of the room,

Didn't happen. They were welcome to stay.

tape up windows so nobody can see what they’re doing,

Didn't happen. The window were to reduce the disctraction from the media and crowd. Inside there were plenty of party observers watching.

and then bring in 10,000 ballots of which 99% is marked for the “halt the count” party - which is a statistically impossibility.

Didn't happen. Quality assurance checks of physical ballots to the number of people voting prevent 10,000 of thousands of ballots appearing.

There were no places where 99% of mail-in ballots were for one party. You are being lied to. Higher percentage? Sure, because DEMs voted more via mail-in voting. GOP tended to vote in person.

All eligible adults are allowed to vote in-person. Nobody’s rights are being violated.

And people are allowed to vote via mail-in and actually like the option. Nobodies rights are being violated by allowing mail-in voting.

You’re splitting words. Obviously I meant stationed out of town.

See above.

Words matter.

You have to really watch the care facilitites.

I'd actually prefer election officials collect ballots from care facilities, could even be a police officer out on patrol or even a USPS reperentative.

They got one guy, that I know of, who was caught with 300 ballots in his car, all from the same care facility, and all marked for Biden.

The "one guy" story.

Link to a reputable news source?

So a lib media reported on the GOP? Where are their reports on the Dem Party, which has perfected the art of cheating. The GOP wanted surveillance cameras at each drop box, but the Dem Party objected.

Don't think we need special drop boxes. As we have plenty of USPS mail boxes which are the original drop box. Never understood the need for additional ones.

Not going to go down the rabbit hole with you on this one, given the rampant cheating and corruption among Dems. This discussion is about mail-in ballots.

You are being lied to stoke angst and rage. There was no wide spread and rampant cheating or corruption.

I know the discussion is about mail-in ballots. A very secure way to increase voter participation.

Who says “the people” like it? The Dems like it because it enables their cheating. The GOP is opposed becuase we want an honest election.

If it wasn't popular states wouldn't have implemented it pre-COVID and it's use would be much lower.

People like it because people have their legislatures (even in red states like Utah) pass it, allow for no excuse usage, and it's popular you know based on the number of votes cast by that method. If people didn't like it they would get laws passed in support and they wouldn't use it.

Try thinking through something instead of having to be told something.

WW

 

[bendo]

Obviously, ^^^ a Dem who knows the only way to pull a candidate who is hiding from the voters - no interviews, no press conferences, no policies on the website, no unscripted answers to anything - over the finish is via cheating.

or perhaps she's the only candidate who can answer a question

 

[WorldWatcher]

Sweet. WW just gave you, free of charge, an answer to a stupid question, and you simply go .... cheaters. too funny

Happens all the time.

Helps prevent mental dissonance which can be uncomfortable for some.

WW