PBS says we must fear the "white Christian Nationalist"

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

An America that you lot would cheerfully impose on the rest of us. THAT is never going to happen.

Wrong. Can't even be more wrong. I give absolutely no fucks what you do, just leave me alone.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Well that's so pathetic an argument I'll just wish you a nice afternoon and leave you to it.

It's a good enough argument to make magaturds turn tail and run. Win.

 

[Foxfyre]

It's a good enough argument to make magaturds turn tail and run. Win.

News flash. There is a huge difference between not arguing with idiots and engaging in other exercises in futility and turning tail and running. I can explain it to you if you like.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

What is Christian nationalism and why it raises concerns about threats to democracy

White Christian nationalism has been in the headlines quite a lot as of late. Brad Onishi is a former evangelical minister who once identified as a Christian nationalist himself. He left the church in 2005 and began studying religion and extremism. Laura Barrón-López spoke with Onishi to better...

www.pbs.org

(snidbit)
The phrase white Christian nationalism has been in the headlines quite a bit recently, but what does it really mean?
Christian nationalism is an ideology that is based around the idea that this is a Christian nation, that this was founded as a Christian nation, and, therefore, it should be a Christian nation today and should be so in the future.
According to survey data, Christian nationalists agree with statements like the federal government should declare the United States of America a Christian nation. Our laws should be based on Christian values. being a Christian is important if you want to be a real American.
One, it's built around the idea that Christians are called to a new transformation or reformation of the United States. These are Christians who want to revolutionize the way that our country looks, and to make it great again in terms of being a Christian nation.
They were at the very avant-garde of trying to get the 2020 election overturned in the wake of Joe Biden's victory and mobilizing folks to be at January 6.
I think white evangelicals are the group we think of when we think of white Christian nationalism, and for good reason.
These are folks who, when we think about the Iowa caucuses, in 2016 Trump's white evangelical voters were about 20 percent of his share of voters in that cycle. Just a few weeks ago, in 2024, that grew to well over 50 percent.
White evangelicals remain committed to the MAGA movement.

Comment:
This is Democrat boilerplate propaganda hate and fear mongering.
The Radical Left is using hate and fear for the Evangelicals as one of their campaign tools.
They are saying that we must fear the Evangelicals.
This is part of the pattern of the Radical Left's cultural loathing of Wasps.
Can you imagine using this sort of campaign hate mongering against any other religious group?
When the Radical Left uses their term "threat against democracy" it actually means a threat against the corrupt Democrat Party's quest for one-party hegemony.
Their version of "democracy" is one-party tyranny.

Just ask some of the Democrats here they think “white supremacy” is real. They don’t care one bit about the fact that major companies, sports organizations and universities openly discriminate against white men. And they give jobs and scholarships to lesser qualified blacks and so-called minorities before giving it to a white man. That is a crime against humanity.


Nobody on PBS talks about the poor white man getting denied a loan in this country. We’ve had something like 20 movies about Martin Luther King Jr. recently. Why don’t we have a movie about the American hero Andrew Jackson? And show him in a good positive image for the hero he was.

Seems like the good news is more. Americans recently are rejecting the far left and we will have a return to traditional values which will give us a better economy for everyone. We have one of the worst economies in American history due to Joe Biden BLM type politics. Home prices are so high it’s unaffordable for the middle-class. The dwindling middle-class that is.

Homes "unaffordable" in 99% of nation for average American

Home prices have jumped so much that Americans must pay a third of their income on housing, according to one study.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Do you know what the context was for Trump's 'shit hole country'? I do. Instead of having immigration policy that requires new immigrants to be able to support themselves and contribute to American society we have a lottery system that brings in as many welfare recipients as it does self supporting and contributing new citizens. In a bipartisan closed door discussion towards revising and improving the immigration laws, the Democrats argued that without the lottery system, people from some countries would never qualify. Ergo Trump's very honest and accurate but politically incorrect question "Why do we want people from these shit hole little countries?"

The politically correct way to say it would be what most countries require, i.e. a certain standard of education, ability to support themselves and not be a burden on society, be willing to learn English well enough to follow directions and obey laws written in English, a basic understanding of constitutional principles and law, and usually renouncing allegiance/citizenship in all other countries. And if some people wanting to immigrate can't meet those qualifications or nobody from some countries can qualify, too bad.

White (also black, brown, etc) Christian nationalists who embrace the MAGA vision appreciate his kind of honesty. "Woke' Democrats take him out of his full context to deliberately and maliciously pretend he is saying something else.

42 Bullshit! Trump was throwing more red meat to his racist, xenophobic base. It is not about the economy. It is about preserving a white majority. The migrants, many of whom are asylum seekers contribute more to the economy than they take.
Immigration Will Boost the US Economy by $7 Trillion Through 2034: CBO (businessinsider.com)

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I was very clear in my post on that point. I can recommend a good remedial reading course for you.

I do not recall what you said about that but I doubt that yu were clear at all,. The fact remains that if they wanted a Christian Nation the Constitution would have said so, You can’t squirm out of that

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Try re-reading my post on that. They definitely DID want a Christian nation but one that was voluntarily Christian and not one in which the government mandated that everybody had to be Christian.

Nice try at a walk back. Not working , Now it’s become “ voluntary” Of course it is voluntary. That is called religious freedom and applies equally to all faiths as well as non believers , But the Christian nationalists are not promoting religious freedom, or freedom from religion. They want religious freedom for themselves and only themselves.
What would a “Christian Nation where Christianity is voluntary actually look like. ? I will tell you . It would be a place where those who are not Christian are marginalized and pushed into the shadows of society. There is no other interpretation possible If you think that there is ,spell it out

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

We can do a battle of the anecdotal opinions expressed by this or that person and you'll lose there too. Your opinion that those who want a strong, free, prosperous America where the citizens have maximum liberty, choices, options, opportunity are 'dangerous' and want some kind of theocracy is typical of the anti-Christian Marxists who are actively trying to take complete control of this country. Nobody in any kind of power has ever suggested executing anybody for being gay or transexual. And there are as many on your side spewing rhetoric that MAGAs should be executed as there are the few misfits on the right who would stupid rhetoric about gays people. And despite 236 years of government in which almost all Presidents and the vast majority of legislators, both Democrat and Republicans, have been 'Christian nationalists', there has never ever been any legislation even suggested making the USA a theocracy.

. “ Anecdotal opinions” ? What a bunch of inane codswallop That is just a feeble attemt to gaslight us....to make us doubt our perception and understanding of what is going on in this country. One need only to open their eyes

"Nobody in any kind of power has ever suggested executing anybody for being gay or transexual." ? More horseshit. You are not paying attention or just lying
Republican Faces Backlash for Praising Plan to Kill Gay People (msn.com)

Pastor Says 'Solution' to Gay People Is Executions: It's in the Bible
WebPastor Dillon Awes said that the "solution" to gay people is presented in the Bible: "They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head." In a Sunday sermon


“And there are as many on your side spewing rhetoric that MAGAs should be executed as there are the few misfits on the right who would stupid rhetoric about gays people”. ? Really? Who?? And there are more than “a few” spewing hateful rhetoric and lies about LGBT people

You claim that they want “ a strong, free, prosperous America where the citizens have maximum liberty, choices, options, opportunity “ is utter and shameless horsehit. They want freedom for themselves, not for women, LGBT people , migrans or any minorites who are not them


"Most presidents have been Christian Nationalists”??? Clearly you do not understand what Christian Nationalism is, or your just playing dumb. Being a Christian does not make one a Christian nationalist. Believing that everyone should be a Christian and living according to church doctrine and dogma does. And I have documented the fact that there are many people in positions of power and influence who believe exactly that,

“.....there has never ever been any legislation even suggested making the USA a theocracy.”? Of course not! It would not happen like that. First of all it would require a constitutional convention or at lease an amendment. Not happening. Rather it is incremental and starting at the state level

Which US states have passed religious laws? - BBC News

• More than a dozen states in the US have passed or considered "religious liberty" laws, sparking c…
  Many of the laws directly affect the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
• Supporters argue that the bills protect religious beliefs but critics say they are discriminatory.
  Tennessee is the latest state to consider a bill, involving therapists and counsellors.

See more on bbc.com

 

[Foxfyre]

42 Bullshit! Trump was throwing more red meat to his racist, xenophobic base. It is not about the economy. It is about preserving a white majority. The migrants, many of whom are asylum seekers contribute more to the economy than they take.
Immigration Will Boost the US Economy by $7 Trillion Through 2034: CBO (businessinsider.com)

Like most woke Democrats you apparently have never learned the difference between immigrant and illegal migrants.
"An ongoing border crisis that saw 5,000 illegal aliens being released into the United States per day in December of last year is a microcosm of a much larger issue as President Joe Biden aims to recapture the White House in a crucial election year.

The issue is a $150.7 billion one, shared between federal and state governments, and that's just one year. . ."

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Foxfyre]

I do not recall what you said about that but I doubt that yu were clear at all,. The fact remains that if they wanted a Christian Nation the Constitution would have said so, You can’t squirm out of that

You really would benefit from both a good history class and a remedial reading comprehension class.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nice try at a walk back. Not working , Now it’s become “ voluntary” Of course it is voluntary. That is called religious freedom and applies equally to all faiths as well as non believers , But the Christian nationalists are not promoting religious freedom, or freedom from religion. They want religious freedom for themselves and only themselves.
What would a “Christian Nation where Christianity is voluntary actually look like. ? I will tell you . It would be a place where those who are not Christian are marginalized and pushed into the shadows of society. There is no other interpretation possible If you think that there is ,spell it out

You said you didn't read or recall my post on the subject. But I explained all that quite clearly in my post. Too bad you aren't honest enough to acknowledge that.

 

[Invisibleflash]

What is Christian nationalism and why it raises concerns about threats to democracy

White Christian nationalism has been in the headlines quite a lot as of late. Brad Onishi is a former evangelical minister who once identified as a Christian nationalist himself. He left the church in 2005 and began studying religion and extremism. Laura Barrón-López spoke with Onishi to better...

www.pbs.org

(snidbit)
The phrase white Christian nationalism has been in the headlines quite a bit recently, but what does it really mean?
Christian nationalism is an ideology that is based around the idea that this is a Christian nation, that this was founded as a Christian nation, and, therefore, it should be a Christian nation today and should be so in the future.
According to survey data, Christian nationalists agree with statements like the federal government should declare the United States of America a Christian nation. Our laws should be based on Christian values. being a Christian is important if you want to be a real American.
One, it's built around the idea that Christians are called to a new transformation or reformation of the United States. These are Christians who want to revolutionize the way that our country looks, and to make it great again in terms of being a Christian nation.
They were at the very avant-garde of trying to get the 2020 election overturned in the wake of Joe Biden's victory and mobilizing folks to be at January 6.
I think white evangelicals are the group we think of when we think of white Christian nationalism, and for good reason.
These are folks who, when we think about the Iowa caucuses, in 2016 Trump's white evangelical voters were about 20 percent of his share of voters in that cycle. Just a few weeks ago, in 2024, that grew to well over 50 percent.
White evangelicals remain committed to the MAGA movement.

Comment:
This is Democrat boilerplate propaganda hate and fear mongering.
The Radical Left is using hate and fear for the Evangelicals as one of their campaign tools.
They are saying that we must fear the Evangelicals.
This is part of the pattern of the Radical Left's cultural loathing of Wasps.
Can you imagine using this sort of campaign hate mongering against any other religious group?
When the Radical Left uses their term "threat against democracy" it actually means a threat against the corrupt Democrat Party's quest for one-party hegemony.
Their version of "democracy" is one-party tyranny.

 

[Foxfyre]

. “ Anecdotal opinions” ? What a bunch of inane codswallop That is just a feeble attemt to gaslight us....to make us doubt our perception and understanding of what is going on in this country. One need only to open their eyes

"Nobody in any kind of power has ever suggested executing anybody for being gay or transexual." ? More horseshit. You are not paying attention or just lying
Republican Faces Backlash for Praising Plan to Kill Gay People (msn.com)

Pastor Says 'Solution' to Gay People Is Executions: It's in the Bible
WebPastor Dillon Awes said that the "solution" to gay people is presented in the Bible: "They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head." In a Sunday sermon


“And there are as many on your side spewing rhetoric that MAGAs should be executed as there are the few misfits on the right who would stupid rhetoric about gays people”. ? Really? Who?? And there are more than “a few” spewing hateful rhetoric and lies about LGBT people

You claim that they want “ a strong, free, prosperous America where the citizens have maximum liberty, choices, options, opportunity “ is utter and shameless horsehit. They want freedom for themselves, not for women, LGBT people , migrans or any minorites who are not them


"Most presidents have been Christian Nationalists”??? Clearly you do not understand what Christian Nationalism is, or your just playing dumb. Being a Christian does not make one a Christian nationalist. Believing that everyone should be a Christian and living according to church doctrine and dogma does. And I have documented the fact that there are many people in positions of power and influence who believe exactly that,

“.....there has never ever been any legislation even suggested making the USA a theocracy.”? Of course not! It would not happen like that. First of all it would require a constitutional convention or at lease an amendment. Not happening. Rather it is incremental and starting at the state level

Which US states have passed religious laws? - BBC News

• More than a dozen states in the US have passed or considered "religious liberty" laws, sparking c…
  Many of the laws directly affect the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
• Supporters argue that the bills protect religious beliefs but critics say they are discriminatory.
  Tennessee is the latest state to consider a bill, involving therapists and counsellors.

See more on bbc.com

I disagree with the Ugandan law and have said so. I think the Congressman was ill advised and wrong to support it and have said so. Gay sex in private should not be a crime or bear any punishment by law. But the death penalty is for 'aggravated homosexuality" not just being gay. That would be for forcible sex with a minor, an elderly person, or repeat offenders. Just being gay brings no penalty whatsoever.

 

[BS Filter]

Are you a right wing christian nationalist and this bothers you?

Are you frightened of conservative white Christians?

 

[DGS49]

At its founding, all of the Founding Fathers presumed without stating that the country would be run basically in accordance with the moral principles set forth in the Torah - excluding the purely religious ones (idolatry, honoring the sabbath, etc.). They didn't think it needed to be codified or stated overtly because it was manifestly true.

If they had stated it, there would still be complete religious freedom here, but laws that go against Mosaic laws would be verboten. Only whack-job Leftists would be affected.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You really would benefit from both a good history class and a remedial reading comprehension class.

Bullshit. You did not explain anything. You made a claim that you can't back up and now you're running from it after being called out

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Like most woke Democrats you apparently have never learned the difference between immigrant and illegal migrants.
"An ongoing border crisis that saw 5,000 illegal aliens being released into the United States per day in December of last year is a microcosm of a much larger issue as President Joe Biden aims to recapture the White House in a crucial election year.

The issue is a $150.7 billion one, shared between federal and state governments, and that's just one year. . ."

MSN

www.msn.com

Like most conservative and other unenlightened people, you wield the concept of “woke” like a weapon while failing to understand anything about its origin or proper usage. The only thing that you accomplish by using woke as a pejorative is broadcasting your opposition to social justice.

And like those others, you have a problem staying on topic, especially when you have run out of lame ass bullshit on the subject, in this case Christian Nationalism. The only possible relationship between the two topics is that in both cases, the goal is to promote the interests of white evangelicals but immigration is still off topic . There are plenty of threads about immigration. Please go there and stop derailing this one.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I disagree with the Ugandan law and have said so. I think the Congressman was ill advised and wrong to support it and have said so. Gay sex in private should not be a crime or bear any punishment by law. But the death penalty is for 'aggravated homosexuality" not just being gay. That would be for forcible sex with a minor, an elderly person, or repeat offenders. Just being gay brings no penalty whatsoever.

What are you blathering about now?? You made the asinine statement that "Nobody in any kind of power has ever suggested executing anybody for being gay or transexual." I provided two examples of how that is bullshit and neither had anything to do with Uganda. But you bring up Uganda because you have nothing else to hide behind

 

[Foxfyre]

What are you blathering about now?? You made the asinine statement that "Nobody in any kind of power has ever suggested executing anybody for being gay or transexual." I provided two examples of how that is bullshit and neither had anything to do with Uganda. But you bring up Uganda because you have nothing else to hide behind

Your reading dysfunction is showing up badly now.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Your reading dysfunction is showing up badly now.