Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

[Challenger]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still shoveling Israeli shit.

Nobody attacked Israel.

Tinmore, when you and your assistant get a break from being on duty monitoring the forum for Hamas, I suggest you buy or rent the movie Cast a Giant Shadow. It is based on a true study.

Amazon.com: Cast a Giant Shadow: Kirk Douglas, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, Senta Berger, Angie Dickinson, James Donald, Stathis Giallelis, Luther Adler, Haim Topol, Ruth White, Gordon Jackson, Michael Hordern, Aldo Tonti, Melville Shavelson, Michael Wayne, Ted Berkman: Movies & TV

Just like "Braveheart" or "The Patriot"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then, as now, its the rejection of the principle of self-determination and self-government for BOTH peoples

The Palestinians are Muslims, Christians, and Jews. They are one people.

Seriously?

Yes, one people, different religions.

Indeed, just like in the US of A.

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

 

[GLASNOST]

1).

There were some Jewish inhabitants, but they were Palestinians along with their Christian and Muslim co-religionists; most Jewish natives were fervent anti-Zionists and were against the Jewish European colonists at the outset and indeed in many cases up until 1948, by then, they no longer had any choice in the matter; they were "tarred with the same brush" as are many Jewish Europeans and Americans.

YES.
2).

The truth will out, everything outside the original 181 partition is occupied Palestine. thanks for sharing.

BRAVO.
3).

It's called occupied territory.

BINGO.
4).

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

EXACTLY.
5).

Nope. Imperialism, there's a difference.

PRECISELY.
6).

Yes, one people, different religions.

MAZEL TOV!

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

You still haven't been able to understand the definition of Genocide. And now you seen to be having trouble with Ethnic Cleansing. Why do you constantly make a fool of yourself. Let's go over Genocide again, maybe the third time will do it. Note: at least three of the acts have and are being committed by the Jews.

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide. "

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

You still haven't been able to understand the definition of Genocide. And now you seen to be having trouble with Ethnic Cleansing. Why do you constantly make a fool of yourself. Let's go over Genocide again, maybe the third time will do it. Note: at least three of the acts have and are being committed by the Jews.

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide. "

Aw, bless you Monte for saying the Palestinians are committing a genocide on the Israeli's.

 

[Shusha]

Let's go over Genocide again, maybe the third time will do it. Note: at least three of the acts have and are being committed by the Jews.

The commission of these acts does not define the term "genocide". Genocide requires the intent to destroy a group.

There is no intent by Israel to destroy the group Palestinians.

And this is a really, really inappropriate time to use the word "Jews". This is an instance when you should be using the term "Israel" to criticize the actions of the Israeli government and not collectively blame "the Jews".

 

[montelatici]

Let's go over Genocide again, maybe the third time will do it. Note: at least three of the acts have and are being committed by the Jews.

The commission of these acts does not define the term "genocide". Genocide requires the intent to destroy a group.

There is no intent by Israel to destroy the group Palestinians.

And this is a really, really inappropriate time to use the word "Jews". This is an instance when you should be using the term "Israel" to criticize the actions of the Israeli government and not collectively blame "the Jews".

The Israeli Jews have (and have had) every intent to destroy the Palestinians. From claiming they did not exist (as many posters here claim) to killing thousands of them at time every now and then, when they think they can get away with it with not too much criticism.

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

You still haven't been able to understand the definition of Genocide. And now you seen to be having trouble with Ethnic Cleansing. Why do you constantly make a fool of yourself. Let's go over Genocide again, maybe the third time will do it. Note: at least three of the acts have and are being committed by the Jews.

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide. "

Aw, bless you Monte for saying the Palestinians are committing a genocide on the Israeli's.

Monte, I have to give you credit. What other Pali support would prove to us the Palestinians are committing a genocide on the Israelis. And who said Monte is an imbecile? Read this folks.


"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide. "

 

[Shusha]

The Israeli Jews have (and have had) every intent to destroy the Palestinians. From claiming they did not exist (as many posters here claim) to killing thousands of them at time every now and then, when they think they can get away with it with not too much criticism.

Wow. Do you actually believe this?

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians are not trying to destroy the Israelis. They are trying to get their land back. There is a difference.

 

[Shusha]

Palestinians are not trying to destroy the Israelis. They are trying to get their land back. There is a difference.

The Jewish people aren't trying to destroy the Palestinians. They are trying to get their land and their sovereignty back. Not to mention creating a safe and secure place for the Jewish people.

 

[montelatici]

The Israeli Jews have (and have had) every intent to destroy the Palestinians. From claiming they did not exist (as many posters here claim) to killing thousands of them at time every now and then, when they think they can get away with it with not too much criticism.

Wow. Do you actually believe this?

Of course. No need to provide Israeli politician quotes, and there are many, the Israel First posters here that make it very clear. Do you not read the posts?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Genocide requires the intent to destroy a group.

Indeed, and Israel has been trying to erase Palestinians from history. This confirms the intent.

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians are not trying to destroy the Israelis. They are trying to get their land back. There is a difference.

The Jewish people aren't trying to destroy the Palestinians. They are trying to get their land and their sovereignty back. Not to mention creating a safe and secure place for the Jewish people.

Palestine did not belong to Jews. It belonged to the native inhabitants, the Christians and Muslims that inhabited the land for thousands of years before the European invasion. Let's get that straight. This idea that a bunch of people in Europe claiming to be of a particular religion, had the right to expel or otherwise eliminate the inhabitants of a place because of some myth, is ridiculous.

The creation of a state for these Europeans was predicated on the destruction of the native people, the Palestinians.

 

[Shusha]

Palestine did not belong to Jews. It belonged to the native inhabitants, the Christians and Muslims that inhabited the land for thousands of years before the European invasion. Let's get that straight. This idea that a bunch of people in Europe claiming to be of a particular religion, had the right to expel or otherwise eliminate the inhabitants of a place because of some myth, is ridiculous.

The creation of a state for these Europeans was predicated on the destruction of the native people, the Palestinians.

And you don't see this as erasing the history of the Jews? Erasing the Jewish people? Which is genocide, according to you.

 

[montelatici]

What, the invasion of Palestine by Europeans and the expulsion and killing of the native inhabitants erased the history of the Jews?

 

[Phoenall]

An opinion piece written By Jennifer Rubin December 17, 2013

Then lets look at the evidence shall we

In 1917 the arab muslims were offered a place on the LoN mandate committee to discus the equal allocation of the lands formerly owned by the Ottoman Empire..................They refused and demanded they be given the whole lot as their god told them it was theirs

They tried many times to destroy the Jews and failed because they are not used to going against an armed opponent

In 1947 the UN illegally tried to buy them of with partitioning the Jewish national home and they refused again demanding the whole lot as their god told them

They then attacked and invaded Israel in may 1948 and were defeated yet again, all 5 arab league armies that outnumbered and out gunned the Jews. The Jews offered them friendship and peace and they refused


So where have they ever accepted a two state solution, even their charter says they will fight for an islamic state to the last man.

 

[Phoenall]

The Arabs who started calling themselves "Palestinian" a few decades back for political purposes have never wanted a separate state. They could have had one at just about any point in time over the last 70 years if A -- they were an actual, distinct people and B -- actually wanted a state.

The Palestinians were Palestinians when the Zionists called the area Palestine at the first Zionist Conference in Basel at least in the late 1800s.

The Palestinians sought independence as a people and declared such in correspondence with the British Colonial Office in 1921-1922. You are ignorant of the facts.

"PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.



No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.





​

HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unis...48a7e5584ee1403485256cd8006c3fbe?OpenDocument

Not a legal document as the British had no authority to talk to the arab muslims. And as we can see they were demanding they be given it all and to hell with the rights of the indigenous Jews and Christians.

 

[Phoenall]

For Palestinians it's all or nothing. So nothing it shall be.
Maybe Palestinians don’t want two states

FIRST: It's written by the Washington Post, which is inside D.C./Tel Aviv's back pocket.
SECOND: Without becoming a member I cannot access the whole article by way of your link.
THIRD: Unless I (we) are provided with the whole "deal" (the fine print, etc.) the Palestinian nub cannot be evaluated.
FOURTH: Therefore your (and the Washington Post's) over-simplified sum-up, "For Palestinians it's all or nothing" is probably a lie.

Read monte's cut and paste and you seethat the arab muslims demand it all


" no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable."