Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

[montelatici]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

 

[teddyearp]

Again, I still call that quite a stretch to assert that MJB thinks that there are Muslim Archbishops.

You are hilarious. What does his post say about the article, it says:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."

How would the article lead him to post that?

Talk about dumb and dumber. LOL

Hmm. Nice try Monti. You are smarter than that and I thought you had a much better command of the English language than what you show here. But your own postings seem to show otherwise.

Please, please, show us exactly where and quote where MJB said anything about Muslim Archbishops. By your own admission and quote, he used the term Muslim Palestinians. How is a Muslim Palestinian equated with a Muslim Archbishop?

But, we understand. You have been on the 'spin' cycle so very long here that all semblance of intelligence has clearly left you. And I know you know better, as you sit in your private room kneading your hands and snickering thinking that you're fooling someone, you are not.

Now who's dumber(est)? Thanks for the laugh.

 

[teddyearp]

The Zionists that invaded Palestine and displaced the native Christians and Muslims were from Europe. That's all there is to know. They were not inhabitants of Palestine as Article 22 of the LON Covenant stated were to receive tutelage to be able to become an independent state. Furthermore, European Jews are European genitically:

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

But, more to the point. When the Arabs, who were the officers and non-commissioned officers, with thousands of convert foot soldiers invaded Palestine and conquered Jerusalem, the inhabitants were Christians, as was required by the Romans/Byzantines after Christianity became the state religion. Prior to Constantine's conversion and the adoption of Christianity as the state religion, the Romans only regularly persecuted members of one religion, Christianity. There are many hypotheses as to why they tolerated other religions such as the Persian cult of Mithraism, the Egyptian cult of Isis, Neoplatonism and Judaism, for example. One is that only the Christians refused to call the Emperor lord, another is that the Christians were suspected of cannibalism (the Eucharist was thought to be a literal eating of the body and blood of Christ). So the Christians of Palestine were converts to Christianity whose parent and grand parents practiced a variety of religions, including Judaism.

Do you think that the Christian inhabitants of Palestine disappeared and somehow were replaced by Muslims after the Arab conquest? No, the Christians of Palestine remained Christian and were the majority of the people in Palestine for centuries after the conquest, and only slowly converted to Islam as it became increasingly socially and economically beneficial to adopt the religion of the ruling class.

The native Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the descendants of these people and they have a much stronger tie to the land than Zionists that lived on another continent.

Oh for fucks sake, here it is again, new readers . . . . . .

 

[Hollie]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

Since when is your cutting and pasting from Pallywood Propaganda Studios to be taken seriously?

Shirley Temper? You poor befuddled cut and paster, LOL.

 

[montelatici]

Again, I still call that quite a stretch to assert that MJB thinks that there are Muslim Archbishops.

You are hilarious. What does his post say about the article, it says:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."

How would the article lead him to post that?

Talk about dumb and dumber. LOL

Hmm. Nice try Monti. You are smarter than that and I thought you had a much better command of the English language than what you show here. But your own postings seem to show otherwise.

Please, please, show us exactly where and quote where MJB said anything about Muslim Archbishops. By your own admission and quote, he used the term Muslim Palestinians. How is a Muslim Palestinian equated with a Muslim Archbishop?

But, we understand. You have been on the 'spin' cycle so very long here that all semblance of intelligence has clearly left you. And I know you know better, as you sit in your private room kneading your hands and snickering thinking that you're fooling someone, you are not.

Now who's dumber(est)? Thanks for the laugh.

Well, you are competing for the dumbest.LOL It wasn't MJ posted an article about the Greek Orthodox Church firing a Palestinian Archbishop and his comment was:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."



Oh, another poster pointed this out to MJ first, not me.

"You realize that the Palestinian Archbishop is a Christian? Did you think that a muslim was the archbishop of a Christian church?"

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15987752/

You win the dumbest prize, moron.

 

[Hollie]

Again, I still call that quite a stretch to assert that MJB thinks that there are Muslim Archbishops.

You are hilarious. What does his post say about the article, it says:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."

How would the article lead him to post that?

Talk about dumb and dumber. LOL

Hmm. Nice try Monti. You are smarter than that and I thought you had a much better command of the English language than what you show here. But your own postings seem to show otherwise.

Please, please, show us exactly where and quote where MJB said anything about Muslim Archbishops. By your own admission and quote, he used the term Muslim Palestinians. How is a Muslim Palestinian equated with a Muslim Archbishop?

But, we understand. You have been on the 'spin' cycle so very long here that all semblance of intelligence has clearly left you. And I know you know better, as you sit in your private room kneading your hands and snickering thinking that you're fooling someone, you are not.

Now who's dumber(est)? Thanks for the laugh.

Well, you are competing for the dumbest.LOL It wasn't MJ posted an article about the Greek Orthodox Church firing a Palestinian Archbishop and his comment was:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."



Oh, another poster pointed this out to MJ first, not me.

"You realize that the Palestinian Archbishop is a Christian? Did you think that a muslim was the archbishop of a Christian church?"

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15987752/

You win the dumbest prize, moron.

Don't minimize your own achievements. Cutting and pasting Shirley Temper / Pallywood Production Studios propaganda photos you scour from the web puts you in the dumbest prize running.

 

[theliq]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still shoveling Israeli shit.

Nobody attacked Israel.

Tinmore, when you and your assistant get a break from being on duty monitoring the forum for Hamas, I suggest you buy or rent the movie Cast a Giant Shadow. It is based on a true study.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005S8KR/?tag=usmb-20

Hoss,this is not another one of these Hollywood Epics(like so many) That make out that those Jonny-Come-Latelys to WW2,the Americans WON THE WAR and changed History and Material Fact to imply so........if so NOT GOOD ENOUGH Hoss......You are off topic and have Hollywooditis(mind you they make some fabulous War Movies) Hoss I will get in early,Wishing You and your Family a Very Happy and Safe Christmas and New Year..steve

 

[Hossfly]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

There have been many movies based on actual events. Don't forget also there were many people alive who took part in this Israeli/Arab War who could tell the scriptwriters what actually happened. Maybe in your neck of the wood you can find some who participated. They might be in their late eighties and nineties by now, but can tell you what happened and that the movie followed the truth. Perhaps you can get away from the computer for a time and watch the movie yourself. By the way, Colonel David "Mickey" Marcus is the only person buried at West Point who fought for a foreign country.

David 'Mickey' Marcus | HistoryNet

 

[theliq]

Again, I still call that quite a stretch to assert that MJB thinks that there are Muslim Archbishops.

You are hilarious. What does his post say about the article, it says:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."

How would the article lead him to post that?

Talk about dumb and dumber. LOL

Hmm. Nice try Monti. You are smarter than that and I thought you had a much better command of the English language than what you show here. But your own postings seem to show otherwise.

Please, please, show us exactly where and quote where MJB said anything about Muslim Archbishops. By your own admission and quote, he used the term Muslim Palestinians. How is a Muslim Palestinian equated with a Muslim Archbishop?

But, we understand. You have been on the 'spin' cycle so very long here that all semblance of intelligence has clearly left you. And I know you know better, as you sit in your private room kneading your hands and snickering thinking that you're fooling someone, you are not.

Now who's dumber(est)? Thanks for the laugh.

Well, you are competing for the dumbest.LOL It wasn't MJ posted an article about the Greek Orthodox Church firing a Palestinian Archbishop and his comment was:

"It is truly sad that Muslim Palestinians cannot even get along with fellow Christian Palestinians."



Oh, another poster pointed this out to MJ first, not me.

"You realize that the Palestinian Archbishop is a Christian? Did you think that a muslim was the archbishop of a Christian church?"

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15987752/

You win the dumbest prize, moron.

Don't minimize your own achievements. Cutting and pasting Shirley Temper / Pallywood Production Studios propaganda photos you scour from the web puts you in the dumbest prize running.

I cannot agree Hollie.......you can say that to me (as I do ERR on occasions,and you swiftly put me in my place,fair enough) but not Monte,he is clearly a Titan amongst us.Go Monte....steve

 

[theliq]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

There have been many movies based on actual events. Don't forget also there were many people alive who took part in this Israeli/Arab War who could tell the scriptwriters what actually happened. Maybe in your neck of the wood you can find some who participated. They might be in their late eighties and nineties by now, but can tell you what happened and that the movie followed the truth. Perhaps you can get away from the computer for a time and watch the movie yourself. By the way, Colonel David "Mickey" Marcus is the only person buried at West Point who fought for a foreign country.

David 'Mickey' Marcus | HistoryNet

Why Hoss ???re David Marcus..st

 

[GLASNOST]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

That's the question we'd all like answered. I suppose it's depth of definition "based" that lies at the heart of the matter. All you need is to point out that at the beginning of the story "our hero left the house in the morning". After he left home he slayed 24 dragons and sodomized the corps of Yassar Arafat. The story therefore is "based" on a true story because his day actually did begin by him "leaving the house that morning".

Here's proof!

 

[theliq]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

That's the question we'd all like answered. I suppose it's depth of definition "based" that lies at the heart of the matter. All you need is to point out that at the beginning of the story "our hero left the house in the morning". After he left home he slayed 24 dragons and sodomized the corps of Yassar Arafat. The story therefore is "based" on a true story because his day actually did begin by him "leaving the house that morning".

Here's proof!

Really Glasnost.....What are you really saying!!!!!!?????? Did the Man when he left home in the morning really Sodomize the thousands of Yasser Arafat's soldiers(his Corps) OR did you mean Yasser Arafat's CORPSE as in dead body,if so the Man was DEBASED and a NECROPHILIAC or could he have been a wandering NOCTAMBULIST????therefore would be the true depth of Definition methinks.just sayin


steve

 

[GLASNOST]

Since when are Hollywood movies based on "true studies"? LOL

That's the question we'd all like answered. I suppose it's depth of definition "based" that lies at the heart of the matter. All you need is to point out that at the beginning of the story "our hero left the house in the morning". After he left home he slayed 24 dragons and sodomized the corps of Yassar Arafat. The story therefore is "based" on a true story because his day actually did begin by him "leaving the house that morning".

Here's proof!

Really Glasnost.....What are you really saying!!!!!!?????? Did the Man when he left home in the morning really Sodomize the thousands of Yasser Arafat's soldiers(his Corps) OR did you mean Yasser Arafat's CORPSE as in dead body,if so the Man was DEBASED and a NECROPHILIAC or could he have been a wandering NOCTAMBULIST????therefore would be the true depth of Definition methinks.just sayin


steve

Sorry about that mate. I've been feeling crook all day. Too right ....... "corpse" is what I was after. But it wouldn't matter - it was based on a true story anyway.

 

[Challenger]

Shusha, et al,

If the issue of "borders" are brought to a forced conclusion, then I believe that the International Community will definitely side with the Arab Palestinians.

We know where Palestine was ..... and is - no, maybe not. We do know where it ought to be according international law. Israel is in breach of that law.

We know where it ought to be according to international law? Well, this is news. Tell me, where is the legal international boundary between Israel and "Palestine"? What treaty or legal instrument put that boundary in place? And where, exactly, is Israel breaching that boundary?

(COMMENT)

There is no more of a complicated issue than this. The all the parties to the conflict have allowed this to drag-on much too long.

I would hate to speculate, as there are so many aspects of the question to be considered.

I think that the Arab Palestinians themselves are an obstacle to any serious discussions. I'm of the opinion and concerned that the Arab Palestinians have no intention to compromise on any issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jews have never had any intention of compromising. The native inhabitants of Palestine, who under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations were to tutored towards independence and self-determination by the Mandatory, were supplanted by Europeans transferred to Palestine who were installed as rulers over the native inhabitants. None of your bullshit changes this basic fact.

"Native inhabitants" --- were Jews.

There were some Jewish inhabitants, but they were Palestinians along with their Christian and Muslim co-religionists; most Jewish natives were fervent anti-Zionists and were against the Jewish European colonists at the outset and indeed in many cases up until 1948, by then, they no longer had any choice in the matter; they were "tarred with the same brush" as are many Jewish Europeans and Americans.

 

[Challenger]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is so misrepresentative of the facts.

We know where Palestine was ..... and is - no, maybe not. We do know where it ought to be according international law. Israel is in breach of that law.

We know where it ought to be according to international law? Well, this is news. Tell me, where is the legal international boundary between Israel and "Palestine"? What treaty or legal instrument put that boundary in place? And where, exactly, is Israel breaching that boundary?

The borders for Israel and Palestine are mentioned in the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements. Now the UN cannot define or change borders but they can reference existing borders. So here are the borders as of after the end of the 1948 war.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Notice that there is no border between Israel and Palestine. That continues to today.

(COMMENT)

There were no Armistice Agreements with Palestine, because there was no party to the conflict called "Palestine." The Palestine in question at the in the 1948/49 timeframe was that defined by the Palestine Order in Council, the territory to which the former Mandate applied.

• In 1949, the Armistice with Egypt laid down the Armistice Line which was:

√ By Article V(2) stated: The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.
√ By Article XII(2)... shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved, ...
• The Peace Treaty between the Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Government of the State of Israel, 26 March 1979, supersedes the Armistice Agreement and establishes "the permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, 1 without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip."
​

• In 1949, the Armistice with Jordan laid down the Armistice Line which was:

√ By Article VI(9) stated: The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.
√ By Article XII(2) ... "shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved" ...
• The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty, 26 October 1994, supersedes the Armistice Agreement and establishes that the boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967; without the mention of Palestine in any facet.
​

• There is no current treaty between Lebanon and Israel. The International Boundary, currently monitored by the UNIFIL along the 2015 Blue Line was last confirmed in a Letter dated 9 June 2000 from the President of Lebanon addressed to the Secretary-General; after a border-crossing incident.

√ Article III(1) states: The resolution and the report, as well as the historical records and the various documents and maps, including those in the possession of the United Nations, confirm unequivocally that there are between Lebanon and Israel “internationally recognized boundaries” that have never been in dispute between the two countries. Indeed, the descriptive delimitation of these boundaries completed in 1923 was meticulously retraced in 1949, under the supervision of the United Nations and its observers, from boundary pillar 1 to boundary pillar 38 by way of all those in between.
​

The boundary set along the Syrian Frontier is set by the Annexation authority of the Knesset. This is a separate issue.

Whether we talk about the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, of some earlier alleged Palestinian sovereignty, the ground truth is set out above.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel declares its borders.

View attachment 101076

https://trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/pdf/12.pdf

The truth will out, everything outside the original 181 partition is occupied Palestine. thanks for sharing.

 

[Challenger]

The Arab-Israeli Conflict up to the Armistice Agreements expanded the area under the control and direct influence of Jewish Forces.

It's called occupied territory.

 

[Challenger]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

 

[Challenger]

This is the very definition of colonialism.

Nope. Imperialism, there's a difference.

 

[Challenger]

Then, as now, its the rejection of the principle of self-determination and self-government for BOTH peoples

The Palestinians are Muslims, Christians, and Jews. They are one people.

Seriously?

Yes, one people, different religions.

 

[Challenger]

Nobody attacked Israel.

Only because you are playing silly word games claiming that Israel did not exist. What the Arab States did, in contravention of the Charter, was gain control, using military force, of territory which was NOT under their sovereignty.

Now who's playing silly word games?