Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

[Hollie]

In 1925 most of the individuals involved in the mutiny of the Battleship Potemkin that took place in 1905, were still alive and had fought against the Imperial Navy. Doesn't mean the film was accurate. It was completely one-sided for the Communists. Just as "Cast the Shadow" glorifies the invasion of Palestine by Europeans and the defeat of the native non-Jews; making it appear that violent attacks on native non-Europeans by hostile invaders is just fine.

One of the amusing things on this forum is when you see a Jew hater parked here all day long like it was his second home and one who can't stand to see a film brought up that gives what happened to his Arab friends. All those who think this film is fictitious, why not send birthday greets to Kirk Douglas on his 100th birthday and ask him if he could tell you who was around to verify the accuracy of the script. He might remember their names and if they are still alive for you to contact them.

I am a Jew-hater because I question the veracity of Hollywood interpretations of historical events. LOL

Your cutting and pasting of Pallywood Production Studios propaganda pieces starring Shirley Temper was a hoot.

It does suggest your versions of historical (hysterical) events leaves a great deal of "make it up as you go" to your Islamist heroes.

 

[Shusha]

As long as Zionism (or any ideology) does not include the expulsion of native people and oppression of people because of their religions as part of the manifestation of the ideology. I have no problem with it.

Zionism does not require the expulsion or oppression of people. Certainly not because of religion, as Zionism does not speak to religion.

Palestinians are not afforded rights, they are under military occupation and that certainly prevents them from having rights.

And my take on this is that Palestinians have rights, including the right to self-determination and that they only have to act on that to achieve it. Military occupation does not prevent them from exercising peaceful rights. It only prevents them from exercising belligerent acts.

The wars with Gaza would be over in a year if Palestinians just stopped attacking.

 

[montelatici]

So, the Muslims and Christians were not expelled from Palestine in your opinion.

They were uprooted as a result of an unnecessary war brought about by Arabs from foreign sovereign States. This was not so with the Jewish expulsion. The Jewish people were not at war with anyone in their own native lands of the Muslim ME where they have lived for hundreds or thousands of years.

I can solve the conflict in less than a week, if I had a Team Palestine participant willing to actually engage in negotiations with me. Do you want to volunteer? I'll start a thread.

The Muslims and Christians were being expelled (and killed) long before the Arab League intervened in attempt to stop the Jewish expulsion and killing of non-Jews. For example, the Jews started bombarding Jaffa (part of the Arab section of the Partition plan) in mid-April and the surrendered on May 12, 1948. Other Arab towns had fallen as well, long before Israel declared independence and before the Arab League intervened a few days later. Besides, all the major battles were fought in the Arab section of the partition and the international sector (Jerusalem) where the Arab League tried to protect the non-Jews, not in the Jewish section of the partition.You see Susha, you have been sold a bill of goods.

Sure I'll negotiate, but I now believe only a single state solution will work.

 

[Shusha]

Sure I'll negotiate, but I now believe only a single state solution will work.

Cool. I'll set up a thread.

 

[montelatici]

Roger that.

 

[Hossfly]

In 1925 most of the individuals involved in the mutiny of the Battleship Potemkin that took place in 1905, were still alive and had fought against the Imperial Navy. Doesn't mean the film was accurate. It was completely one-sided for the Communists. Just as "Cast the Shadow" glorifies the invasion of Palestine by Europeans and the defeat of the native non-Jews; making it appear that violent attacks on native non-Europeans by hostile invaders is just fine.

One of the amusing things on this forum is when you see a Jew hater parked here all day long like it was his second home and one who can't stand to see a film brought up that gives what happened to his Arab friends. All those who think this film is fictitious, why not send birthday greets to Kirk Douglas on his 100th birthday and ask him if he could tell you who was around to verify the accuracy of the script. He might remember their names and if they are still alive for you to contact them.

I am a Jew-hater because I question the veracity of Hollywood interpretations of historical events. LOL

Don't give up your day job, Monte. A stand-up comedian you will never be. From all of Monte's posts from morning to night (he must bring his lunch and an afternoon snack) to demonize the Jews, this is what he came up with???

 

[montelatici]

Oh shut up you ignorant piece of crap. You are here 24/7. I leave for months at a time.

 

[Hossfly]

Oh shut up you ignorant piece of crap. You are here 24/7. I leave for months at a time.

hope Monte doesn't mind if I take a page from his own book and tell this "ignorant piece of crap to shut up."
Of course, Monte is going to prove that I am on these forums 24/7 even when I am going from one destination to another by car. You will do that, wouldn't you, you "ignorant piece of crap?" Monte is never gone for months at a time, and for all we know when he is gone, he is in for his shock treatments.

What's for the snack tomorrow, Monte, as you sit here demonizing the Jews?

 

[montelatici]

Just shut up. You are making a fool of yourself. You have no facts you just attack people that don't agree with you.

 

[Hossfly]

Just shut up. You are making a fool of yourself. You have no facts you just attack people that don't agree with you.

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[theliq]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

You missed the point MJ......The Zionists tried and slaughtered 100,000's of Palestinians......The Palestinians have a stronger and abundant Semenal flow and the ladies bare children well, compared to Jews and Europeans for example,so where the Palestinians have increased their population naturally,the Zionists have had to import "Synthetico Jews" to raise and increase the Jewish population......FACT as ALWAYS..STEVIE....Remember Hoss and all,the strength of any nation is in their Semen.

 

[Hossfly]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

You missed the point MJ......The Zionists tried and slaughtered 100,000's of Palestinian......The Palestinian have a stronger and abundant Semenal flow and the ladies bare children well, compared to Jews and Europeans for example,so where the Palestinians have increased their population naturally,the Zionists have had to import "Synthetico Jews" to raise and increase the Jewish population......FACT as ALWAYS..STEVIE

I always hear from the Pali faction about Jews killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Where are all the bodies buried and why is this never in the news?

 

[montelatici]

Well, 2,300 in one year multiplied by 56 years equals what?

Israel killed more Palestinians in 2014 than in any other year since 1967

 

[Hossfly]

Well, 2,300 in one year multiplied by 56 years equals what?

Israel killed more Palestinians in 2014 than in any other year since 1967

The bastards started the 2014 war then the UN cries because they got killed. Tough titty.

 

[montelatici]

I see, so the Jews did kill 100,000 Palestinians but it was their fault. So you were full of shit when you denied the fact asshole.

 

[Hossfly]

I see, so the Jews did kill 100,000 Palestinians but it was their fault. So you were full of shit when you denied the fact asshole.

I think I will use this site since the Pro Palis have used it from time to time when it suited them.

Total Casualties, Arab-Israeli Conflict | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[montelatici]

Oh, the Zionist propaganda site par excellence. The Jewish Virtual Library is where you get your facts? What an asshole you are. LOL

 

[theliq]

montelatici, et al,

Let us start by remembering that the fundamental purposes of the UN as an organization is to maintain international peace and security. The UN tries to act in the furtherance of prevention and removal of threats to the peace. This is the very meaning behind Chapter I of the UN Charter with the intent to suppress acts of aggression and the outbreak of hostilities.

Cablegram from the Secretary-General (SG) of the League of Arab States (LAS) to the Secretary-General of the United Nations (1948)

On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed, I have the honour to request your Excellency to bring following statement before General Assembly and Security Council.​

.......The Arab States recognize that the independence and sovereignty of Palestine which was so far subject to the British Mandate has now, with the termination of the Mandate, become established in fact, and maintain that the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration in Palestine for the discharge of all governmental functions without any external interference. ​

Arab League Declaration on the intervention in Palestine, 15 May 1948 | Religion :: Science :: Peace

(COMMENT)

The first dynamic to International Diplomacy at the policy level is the concept for a "Just War." Technically, today, the FIRST USE of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter I Article 2(4) shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression.

The excerpt of the Cablegram (To SG - From LAS) is essentially a confession (prima facie evidence) to the act of FIRST USE. Technically, there were at least seven counts. Today, it would be Seven Counts in contravention of Chapter I/UN Charter --- and --- Seven Count in violation of Rome Statue - Article 8 bis Crime of aggression. However, in the 1948 invasion by LAS Armed Forces against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

• The remarkable thing here is the fact that it must be a State(s) against State(s) - remembering that there was no State of Palestine at that time - AND - that it is an "invasion" OR "attack" against a sovereignty.
​

The "Just War" Defense given by the LAS is that:

• Jewish aggression was the proximate cause of Peace and order having been completely upset in Palestine.
• To prevent Jewish Forces from committing excessive (war crimes like) acts upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places.
• That the sovereignty and independence of the Jewish State was improperly establish and that only the lawful inhabitants of Palestine are alone competent and entitled to set up an administration.
​

The underlying opposition against the LAS justification for aggression rests with:

• Chapter I is interpreted to include the concept that no consideration of whatever may be granted to the LAS in the nature of the intervention; whether political, economic, military or otherwise. None may serve as a justification for aggression.
• Chapter VII provides for the Jewish State to initiate defensive actions with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression by the FIRST USE of armed force against Israeli declared sovereignty.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rambling RoccoR seems to overlook there was no UN condenmation of the action by the neighbouring states intervention to prevent the Zionists ethnically cleansing Palestine.

Yep! Those Zionists are "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya, a GENOCIDE!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

You missed the point MJ......The Zionists tried and slaughtered 100,000's of Palestinian......The Palestinian have a stronger and abundant Semenal flow and the ladies bare children well, compared to Jews and Europeans for example,so where the Palestinians have increased their population naturally,the Zionists have had to import "Synthetico Jews" to raise and increase the Jewish population......FACT as ALWAYS..STEVIE

I always hear from the Pali faction about Jews killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Where are all the bodies buried and why is this never in the news?

I know you must have been Blind Drunk at the Time Hossie,but it is well documented my friend.....LOL.......Stephen,steven,the Magnificent one,theliq

 

[theliq]

Well, 2,300 in one year multiplied by 56 years equals what?

Israel killed more Palestinians in 2014 than in any other year since 1967

The bastards started the 2014 war then the UN cries because they got killed. Tough titty.

silly post Hoss

 

[yiostheoy]

For Palestinians it's all or nothing. So nothing it shall be.


Maybe Palestinians don’t want two states

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