Okay, let's dissect this piece by piece:
Piece one:
Zionism is not Judaism. One is a religion, the other is a political movement. Criticizing Israeli foreign policy has nothing to do with antisemitism. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Not all Jews support Israel.
1. Zionism is the expression of the Jewish peoples right to self-determination, sovereignty, and a homeland in, you know, their actual homeland. Sure. You want to call it a political movement, its a political movement. But it is a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) its ACTUAL EXISTENCE. In exactly the same way, the Arab Palestinian people (as distinct from the Jordanian people who already have these things) have a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) a WISH to have actual existence. You can't ask for the second without also granting the first. Unless you have special rules for Israel.
2. Thank you for admitting that Israel's actions with respect to Gaza are FOREIGN policy. I agree. The only policy which you seem to criticizing in this latest exchange between us is Israel's defending herself and her citizens against FOREIGN hostility and violence. Rejecting the idea that Israel has a right to defend herself from violence is. well, let's say ... problematic. Do you mean to say that Israel should be prevented from protecting her citizens from violence? Or that she should just permit it? Are you out of your mind?
3. True. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Just like all Gazans aren't Arabs. Oh....wait.
4. All PEOPLE, Jewish or not, support Israel's existence. Even you support Israel's existence, don't you? (As opposed to Tinmore and others). Not all people support Israel's government policies. I don't even support all of Israel's government policies. The policy of defending herself from violent, hostile people trying to cross the border and murder her citizens, though, I absolutely support. All decent people would.
Piece two:
If that was true, why do you shoot at their fishermen? Why do you make up this bullshit lie about smuggling? ... Since 2001, over 10,000 rockets have been launched, only 28 people killed. ...That's not a threat, that is a nuisance.
1. Ah, so we agree that there have been rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. (The number is closer to 20,000, btw). How do you think the people and government of Gaza obtained those rockets? I can think of only four ways: they were smuggled in through Israel; they were smuggled in through Egypt; they were smuggled in by sea; they were built on site from material imported. Where else would they get the rockets from? Do you disagree?
2. The POINT of the border controls and the sea blockade are to prevent Gaza's people and government from importing weapons or materials for weapons. Do you disagree?
3. What is the difference between a "threat" and a "nuisance"?. How many people does Israel have to allow to be murdered before it becomes a threat? How many have to die in Gaza before you consider Israel a threat? If your criteria is that "nuisances" do not warrant lethal force, even if peoples lives are taken, then how can the blockade and normal international border patrols, which have caused no deaths, be considered a cause for "self-defense" by the Gazans?
Piece three:
And those rockets didn't start until 34 years after the occupation began.
Those rockets started immediately after Israel ceded the territory to the Arab Gazans and ceased to have control over the territory. Indeed, self-determination and sovereignty was the CONDITION which permitted the foreign entity to begin attacking Israel.
If you can come back after 3000 years, they can come back after 70.
We agree on that point. The devil is in the details.
. **** YOU !!
