'Palestinian'

[louie888]

We have been over this before, when You tried to claim that Torah scrolls written in Hebrew did not belong to Jews and their heritage.

So?

In every local language that was combined with Hebrew, whether it's Babylonian witch gave us big parts of the language in the Talmud, Aramaic which is in the Hebrew bible, Judeo-Spanish which is influenced directly by the songs in Tehilim and Song of Songs, Yiddish or Judeo- Arabic...they all retained Hebrew.

So?

That's why the works of our sages in the diaspora and in Israel were so coordinated. When two Rabbis from distant diaspora countries met or spoke through letters, it was Hebrew that connected them.

Yes, and, asshole, not one traditional Jewish Rabbi nor any of our Sages ever even thought of, let alone discussed taking the Holy land by force... or any land for that matter. At the very beginning of our essence in our covenant with G-d, it is clear that not only are we to remain in our diaspora until He and only He returns us to our promised land, but also we are to remain loyal citizens to whatever country we reside in during our diaspora. <---- FACT!

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Is this author and website ever going to be attacked? How dare they make such an assertion? It goes against everything the anti-Israel forces have been saying since the '40s. Next thing you know, they will claim the area is such a mess because of outside forces (Israel) and not their own corruption and ineptitude.

They are a mix of Jordanians, Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrian, Sudanese etc. who settled within the area known as the British Mandate of Palestine. This land encompassed 43,000 square miles and was promised to the Jews as a national homeland in the 1917 Balfour Declaration. Yet, in 1922 the British turned over 75% of it to create the nation of Transjordan, (today’s Jordan). This left roughly 25% or 11,000 square miles of land to be dealt with.

In 1947 the British decided to leave the area and turned the issue over to the United Nations, which by a 72% majority voted to partition two separate states, one Jewish and one Arab. However, the surrounding Arab nations rejected the vote and attacked the new Jewish state one day after its independence, intending to destroy it. This is all indisputable fact.

Much more of this heretical essay @ Articles: 'Palestinian' Is a Fabricated Nationality

It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

 

[fanger]

Is this author and website ever going to be attacked? How dare they make such an assertion? It goes against everything the anti-Israel forces have been saying since the '40s. Next thing you know, they will claim the area is such a mess because of outside forces (Israel) and not their own corruption and ineptitude.

They are a mix of Jordanians, Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrian, Sudanese etc. who settled within the area known as the British Mandate of Palestine. This land encompassed 43,000 square miles and was promised to the Jews as a national homeland in the 1917 Balfour Declaration. Yet, in 1922 the British turned over 75% of it to create the nation of Transjordan, (today’s Jordan). This left roughly 25% or 11,000 square miles of land to be dealt with.

In 1947 the British decided to leave the area and turned the issue over to the United Nations, which by a 72% majority voted to partition two separate states, one Jewish and one Arab. However, the surrounding Arab nations rejected the vote and attacked the new Jewish state one day after its independence, intending to destroy it. This is all indisputable fact.

Much more of this heretical essay @ Articles: 'Palestinian' Is a Fabricated Nationality

It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

Yes that is a big lie, Israelis are descended from illegal immigrants, true story
here's one Golda Meir - Wikipedia

Golda Mabovitch (Ukrainian: Ґольда Мабович) was born on May 3, 1898, in Kiev, Russian Empire, present-day Ukraine,

 

[rylah]

We have been over this before, when You tried to claim that Torah scrolls written in Hebrew did not belong to Jews and their heritage.

So?

In every local language that was combined with Hebrew, whether it's Babylonian witch gave us big parts of the language in the Talmud, Aramaic which is in the Hebrew bible, Judeo-Spanish which is influenced directly by the songs in Tehilim and Song of Songs, Yiddish or Judeo- Arabic...they all retained Hebrew.

So?

That's why the works of our sages in the diaspora and in Israel were so coordinated. When two Rabbis from distant diaspora countries met or spoke through letters, it was Hebrew that connected them.

Yes, and, asshole, not one traditional Jewish Rabbi nor any of our Sages ever even thought of, let alone discussed taking the Holy land by force... or any land for that matter. At the very beginning of our essence in our covenant with G-d, it is clear that not only are we to remain in our diaspora until He and only He returns us to our promised land, but also we are to remain loyal citizens to whatever country we reside in during our diaspora. <---- FACT!

Tell me as a Jew .... have You heard of Moses? Or Yehoshua Bin Nun, or King David , or maybe Nahmonides and Rashi.

Let's start with Moses Our Rabi :

"[Thereupon,] Moses said to the descendants of Gad and the descendants of Reuben, "Shall your brethren go to war while you stay here?

Why do you discourage the children of Israel from crossing over to the land which the Lord has given them?

And behold, you have now risen in place of your fathers as a society of sinful people, to add to the wrathful anger of the Lord against Israel.

...We will then arm ourselves quickly [and go] before the children of Israel until we have brought them to their place. Our children will reside in the fortified cities on account of the inhabitants of the land.
We shall not return to our homes until each of the children of Israel has taken possession of his inheritance...

Moses said to them, "If you do this thing, if you arm yourselves for battle before the Lord,
and your armed force crosses the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies before Him,
and the Land will be conquered before the Lord, afterwards you may return, and you shall be freed [of your obligation] from the Lord and from Israel, and this land will become your heritage before the Lord."

Bamidbar 32 (heart)


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Louie You should know by now that every thing You've said about Jews so far was completely the opposite of fact. You couldn't be further from it. You're planets away.

 

[rylah]

Huh. You know who doesn't fit Eloy's definition of culture? The Palestinians.

Eloy, it is the Palestinians who don't fit your definition of a nationality, not the Israelis. Israel has a distinctive language--Hebrew. The Palestinian language, Arabic, is shared by 22 other countries. Israelis have distinctive food--gefilte fish, cholent, latkes, kugel, matza, etc. The Palestinians' food are shared by 22 others--falafel, hummus, schwarma, etc. Israelis have distinctive music--klezmer, folk songs, the hora. Palestinian Arab music is shared by 22 others. Israelis have distinctive clothing--tallit, Hasidic garb, kippas. Palestinian Arab hijabs and burqas are shared by 22 others. Even the Palestinian flag is a rip-off of Jordan's, while the beautiful Star of David flag is representative of the Jewish and Israeli people. So Eloy, aside from sports (international soccer, basketball, and judo), it is the Israelis who meet all your qualifications for a nationality, not the Palestinians at all.

America doesn't have a distinctive language, or a distinctive food

You're making a good point here...clear this up for me:

"America doesn't have distinctive language, or a distinctive food"


Are You suggesting that Palestinian nationalism can be compared to USA, or that Americans are the indigenous people?

 

[louie888]

We have been over this before, when You tried to claim that Torah scrolls written in Hebrew did not belong to Jews and their heritage.

So?

In every local language that was combined with Hebrew, whether it's Babylonian witch gave us big parts of the language in the Talmud, Aramaic which is in the Hebrew bible, Judeo-Spanish which is influenced directly by the songs in Tehilim and Song of Songs, Yiddish or Judeo- Arabic...they all retained Hebrew.

So?

That's why the works of our sages in the diaspora and in Israel were so coordinated. When two Rabbis from distant diaspora countries met or spoke through letters, it was Hebrew that connected them.

Yes, and, asshole, not one traditional Jewish Rabbi nor any of our Sages ever even thought of, let alone discussed taking the Holy land by force... or any land for that matter. At the very beginning of our essence in our covenant with G-d, it is clear that not only are we to remain in our diaspora until He and only He returns us to our promised land, but also we are to remain loyal citizens to whatever country we reside in during our diaspora. <---- FACT!

Tell me as a Jew .... have You heard of Moses? Or Yehoshua Bin Nun, or King David , or maybe Nahmonides and Rashi.

Let's start with Moses Our Rabi :

"[Thereupon,] Moses said to the descendants of Gad and the descendants of Reuben, "Shall your brethren go to war while you stay here?

Why do you discourage the children of Israel from crossing over to the land which the Lord has given them?

And behold, you have now risen in place of your fathers as a society of sinful people, to add to the wrathful anger of the Lord against Israel.

...We will then arm ourselves quickly [and go] before the children of Israel until we have brought them to their place. Our children will reside in the fortified cities on account of the inhabitants of the land.
We shall not return to our homes until each of the children of Israel has taken possession of his inheritance...

Moses said to them, "If you do this thing, if you arm yourselves for battle before the Lord,
and your armed force crosses the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies before Him,
and the Land will be conquered before the Lord, afterwards you may return, and you shall be freed [of your obligation] from the Lord and from Israel, and this land will become your heritage before the Lord."

Bamidbar 32 (heart)


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Louie You should know by now that every thing You've said about Jews so far was completely the opposite of fact. You couldn't be further from it. You're planets away.

That has nothing to do with my post, tool.
Read it again.

 

[José]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

What about a bunch of blond, blue eyed, pink skinned Russians, Germans and Poles like this jewish ukrainian couple:

pathetically trying to trick the whole world into believing they are the offspring of a people who looked more or less like this guy:

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in order to justify the dispossession and murder of the real descendants of the ancient semitic peoples of the land.

If the whole story were just the case of a bunch of batshit crazy albinos trying to be what they aren't, the state of Israel would be just a mildly amusing joke that would draw little to no criticism from the rest of the world because as they say "if you look close enough nobody is normal".

But since the collective, socially accepted madness involves the discrimination, exile and murder of the real "Jews" who inhabit the land it becomes a sad, tragic, bloody joke.

Six decades after its creation, it is now a recurring nightmare more than a bad joke.

 

[rylah]

Mark Halawa

Mark Halawa was born in Kuwait and lived in Jordan and Syria, but after learning that he is Jewish, he came to Jerusalem to study in a Talmudic college. Now, even after advocating for Israel around the world, Israel's Chief Rabbinate doesn't acknowledge his conversion and the state is denying him citizenship.
Ynetnews Jewish Scene - Born Muslim, converted to Judaism and fighting for residency

Another good point for Montelatici and his fixation on conversion.

As I've said earlier - THOROUGH BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION.
You can read documents of certain cases online (without names).

 

[rylah]

But seriously people, moving from the motion to check the blood purity of Jews, proposed by team-Palestine...we're again discussing the indigenous Jewish culture.

So can Palestine be compared to one of the smaller states in the USA...as it sounds from fanger's previous post?

Sorry if it offends anyone or something

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

What about a bunch of blond, blue eyed, pink skinned Russians, Germans and Poles like this jewish ukrainian couple:

pathetically trying to trick the whole world into believing they are the offspring of a people who looked more or less like this guy:

​

in order to justify the dispossession and murder of the real descendants of the ancient semitic peoples of the land.

If the whole story were just the case of a bunch of batshit crazy albinoes trying to be what they aren't, the state of Israel would be just a mildly amusing joke that would draw little to no criticism from the rest of the world because as they say "if you look close enough nobody is normal".

But since the collective, socially accepted madness involves the discrimination, exile and murder of the real "Jews" who inhabited the land it becomes a sad, tragic, bloody joke.

Six decades after its creation, it is now a recurring nightmare more than a bad joke.

The reason that Israel "draws criticism from the rest of the world" is for no other reason than anti-Semitism. 40 years ago, the Italian-American hoodlums in Brooklyn were yelling at my dad, "Go back to Palestine!" Now they're yelling at the Jews, "Get out of Palestine!" The Arch of Titus in Rome shows Jewish slaves being brought to Western Europe. It's not such a long voyage from there to Eastern Europe. And, FYI, I met a light-haired Palestinian at the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron. He took me on a little tour of the place before we say down and chatted and I found out he was an Arab, and not a Jew. The Arabs can share half of 1% of the Middle East with their Jewish cousins. And please don't save this post, in order to release it in 5 years, as is your practice to do.

 

[Hollie]

Is this author and website ever going to be attacked? How dare they make such an assertion? It goes against everything the anti-Israel forces have been saying since the '40s. Next thing you know, they will claim the area is such a mess because of outside forces (Israel) and not their own corruption and ineptitude.

They are a mix of Jordanians, Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrian, Sudanese etc. who settled within the area known as the British Mandate of Palestine. This land encompassed 43,000 square miles and was promised to the Jews as a national homeland in the 1917 Balfour Declaration. Yet, in 1922 the British turned over 75% of it to create the nation of Transjordan, (today’s Jordan). This left roughly 25% or 11,000 square miles of land to be dealt with.

In 1947 the British decided to leave the area and turned the issue over to the United Nations, which by a 72% majority voted to partition two separate states, one Jewish and one Arab. However, the surrounding Arab nations rejected the vote and attacked the new Jewish state one day after its independence, intending to destroy it. This is all indisputable fact.

Much more of this heretical essay @ Articles: 'Palestinian' Is a Fabricated Nationality

It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

Yes that is a big lie, Israelis are descended from illegal immigrants, true story
here's one Golda Meir - Wikipedia

Golda Mabovitch (Ukrainian: Ґольда Мабович) was born on May 3, 1898, in Kiev, Russian Empire, present-day Ukraine,

Yassir Arafat, the inventor of "Pal'istanian" as a national identity was Egyptian.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

What about a bunch of blond, blue eyed, pink skinned Russians, Germans and Poles like this jewish ukrainian couple:

pathetically trying to trick the whole world into believing they are the offspring of a people who looked more or less like this guy:

​

in order to justify the dispossession and murder of the real descendants of the ancient semitic peoples of the land.

If the whole story were just the case of a bunch of batshit crazy albinoes trying to be what they aren't, the state of Israel would be just a mildly amusing joke that would draw little to no criticism from the rest of the world because as they say "if you look close enough nobody is normal".

But since the collective, socially accepted madness involves the discrimination, exile and murder of the real "Jews" who inhabit the land it becomes a sad, tragic, bloody joke.

Six decades after its creation, it is now a recurring nightmare more than a bad joke.

The Palestinians aren't "the real Jews." Israel was conquered by the Arabians, under Mohammed, like the rest of the Mideast. And a document from the 1920's says the population of Palestine was constantly being replenished by the nomads of Arabia.

 

[montelatici]

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was an independent state in Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital. There is not much to differentiate a Colombian from a Panamanian, yet they are separate nationalities. Same for Tunisia and Libya. However, the people of Palestine were different enough from the surrounding people (a large Christian population) so that the Ottomans created the Kudus Special District (encompassing Palestine) ruled directly from Istanbul rather than from the Syrian administrative district.

Was that after the invasion by the colonizing xtian Crusaders?

What hypocricy by monte!! The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was a legal country but not the modern state of Israel? The current Jews are colonizers but the Christian Crusaders were not?

As for your other assertion, Lebanon was separated from Syria because of its large Christian population (which the Muslims have since decimated), but that was not the case with Palestine.

Where have I said that the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was a legal state and Israel is not? You must be confusing me with someone else.

The Crusaders were not settler colonists, they arrived to rule over the existing native inhabitants, like the Arabs and Romans did. The Zionists expelled the native inhabitants, to settle their population there. There is a difference.

Palestine had a large Christian population before the Zionists arrived, as many as 20% were Christian. And, the Kudus Special District (Palestine) was ruled directly from Istanbul, unlike Syria. It's just an historical fact.

Lebanon was split from Syria by the French, not the Ottomans, get your history straight.

Ha ha ha! It said "the Crusaders 'arrived' to rule over..."!
Never in my life have I seen someone so full of ignorance and hate.

What do you think the Crusaders did, if not rule? What do you think the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem did, organize picnics? You continue to make a fool of yourself.

 

[montelatici]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
It's about time that this lie is exposed. The Palestinians are a mixture of nomads from Arabia and Crusader colonialists. Jews=Judea, Arabs=Arabia.

What about a bunch of blond, blue eyed, pink skinned Russians, Germans and Poles like this jewish ukrainian couple:

pathetically trying to trick the whole world into believing they are the offspring of a people who looked more or less like this guy:

​

in order to justify the dispossession and murder of the real descendants of the ancient semitic peoples of the land.

If the whole story were just the case of a bunch of batshit crazy albinoes trying to be what they aren't, the state of Israel would be just a mildly amusing joke that would draw little to no criticism from the rest of the world because as they say "if you look close enough nobody is normal".

But since the collective, socially accepted madness involves the discrimination, exile and murder of the real "Jews" who inhabited the land it becomes a sad, tragic, bloody joke.

Six decades after its creation, it is now a recurring nightmare more than a bad joke.

The reason that Israel "draws criticism from the rest of the world" is for no other reason than anti-Semitism. 40 years ago, the Italian-American hoodlums in Brooklyn were yelling at my dad, "Go back to Palestine!" Now they're yelling at the Jews, "Get out of Palestine!" The Arch of Titus in Rome shows Jewish slaves being brought to Western Europe. It's not such a long voyage from there to Eastern Europe. And, FYI, I met a light-haired Palestinian at the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron. He took me on a little tour of the place before we say down and chatted and I found out he was an Arab, and not a Jew. The Arabs can share half of 1% of the Middle East with their Jewish cousins. And please don't save this post, in order to release it in 5 years, as is your practice to do.

They aren't Jewish slaves carrying the spoils. They are Roman soldiers with pillows on their backs carrying the spoils into Rome.

"The Romans are in triumphal procession wearing laurel crowns and the ones carrying the Menorah have pillows on their shoulders."

Arch of Titus - Biblical Archaeology in Rome (Bible History Online)

 

[montelatici]

When they start reverting to their bible as historical evidence, they have lost.

 

[Shusha]

What about a bunch of blond, blue eyed, pink skinned Russians, Germans and Poles like this jewish ukrainian couple: ...

Wait. So we are using hair color as the definitive factor of who has rights?

Sorry, Shirley Temper, you do not belong here. Get thee gone.

​

 

[rylah]

Wait, what? I referred to music, language, law.
And I didn't even start yet...You know we can go for month's on just the works written in the land.
What do You have accept for blood purity agendas?

 

[montelatici]

There is one basic fact. The land was inhabited overwhelmingly by native Christians and Muslims (more than 95%) until Europeans that practiced Judaism invaded the land, colonized it and evicted a large number of the native people.

No mumbo jumbo can change that basic fact.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

There is one basic fact. The land was inhabited overwhelmingly by native Christians and Muslims (more than 95%) until Europeans that practiced Judaism invaded the land, colonized it and evicted a large number of the native people.

No mumbo jumbo can change that basic fact.

Get over it already. There were extenuating circumstances involved.

 

[montelatici]

There is one basic fact. The land was inhabited overwhelmingly by native Christians and Muslims (more than 95%) until Europeans that practiced Judaism invaded the land, colonized it and evicted a large number of the native people.

No mumbo jumbo can change that basic fact.

Get over it already. There were extenuating circumstances involved.

There were no "extenuating circumstances" that could justify the invasion, colonization and expropriation of a people inhabiting a land. Unless, like the Nazis, the Zionists considered the non-Jews "untermenschen" who could be eliminated because "Lebensraum" for the Jews was more important than the lives of non-Jews.