Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

[P F Tinmore]

Noura Erakat in Conversation with Professor Rashid Khalidi on "The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine"​

Boy, you sure love your Hamas oligarchs in echochambers...

Q. So what was the Arab excuse for Jihad before Zionism?

Which Arabs?

These Arabs -

Report from Safed about the Arab massacres of 1834:

"Now I have come to announce the large losses and afflictions that have been created in Israel in four countries, ie Jerusalem,and Hebron and the Upper Galilee, namely Safed. And the lower Galilee, namely the city of Tabriya. By the hands of the plunderers and looters that rose in the country. And they come only upon the Jews...

On Sunday, eight days in the month of Sivan, the looters, inhabitants of the villages joined with the inhabitants of the cities. They had weapons of war and shields and fell upon all the Jews and stripped their clothes from men and women. They expelled them naked from the city, and plundered all their property...

The remnants were coerced and raped whether men or women. Tore all the Torah scrolls, and their talit and tefilin and the city was abandoned... This was so for 33 days, so was done in the city of Safed, so was done in other towns."

Periodicals of people of Israel in Eretz Israel - Menachem Mendel ben- Aaaron 1800-1873

Q. So before any Zionist ever shot a bullet, even before Herzl,
what was the Arab excuse for Jihad against the local Jews?

What P F Tinmore, lost on words...

So what was the Arab excuse for Jihad against the local Jews before Zionism?

I don't know. Your post had no context.

The usual excuse for your racism,

yet you don't hesitate to blame the conflict, and just about anything on Jews,
despite all the context of Arab violence against the local Jewish community.

But it's up to you, since you're repeating that claim all the time,
to explain the reason for Jihad against the local Jewish community prior to Zionism.

Not so. Most Jews are good people. It is the Zionists who are the problem.

 

[Hollie]

Apartheid!

 

[Hollie]

Noura Erakat in Conversation with Professor Rashid Khalidi on "The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine"​

Boy, you sure love your Hamas oligarchs in echochambers...

Q. So what was the Arab excuse for Jihad before Zionism?

Which Arabs?

These Arabs -

Report from Safed about the Arab massacres of 1834:

"Now I have come to announce the large losses and afflictions that have been created in Israel in four countries, ie Jerusalem,and Hebron and the Upper Galilee, namely Safed. And the lower Galilee, namely the city of Tabriya. By the hands of the plunderers and looters that rose in the country. And they come only upon the Jews...

On Sunday, eight days in the month of Sivan, the looters, inhabitants of the villages joined with the inhabitants of the cities. They had weapons of war and shields and fell upon all the Jews and stripped their clothes from men and women. They expelled them naked from the city, and plundered all their property...

The remnants were coerced and raped whether men or women. Tore all the Torah scrolls, and their talit and tefilin and the city was abandoned... This was so for 33 days, so was done in the city of Safed, so was done in other towns."

Periodicals of people of Israel in Eretz Israel - Menachem Mendel ben- Aaaron 1800-1873

Q. So before any Zionist ever shot a bullet, even before Herzl,
what was the Arab excuse for Jihad against the local Jews?

What P F Tinmore, lost on words...

So what was the Arab excuse for Jihad against the local Jews before Zionism?

I don't know. Your post had no context.

The usual excuse for your racism,

yet you don't hesitate to blame the conflict, and just about anything on Jews,
despite all the context of Arab violence against the local Jewish community.

But it's up to you, since you're repeating that claim all the time,
to explain the reason for Jihad against the local Jewish community prior to Zionism.

Not so. Most Jews are good people. It is the Zionists who are the problem.

^^^ accompanied by his heil Hitler salute

 

[rylah]

Noura Erakat in Conversation with Professor Rashid Khalidi on "The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine"​

Boy, you sure love your Hamas oligarchs in echochambers...

Q. So what was the Arab excuse for Jihad before Zionism?

Which Arabs?

These Arabs -

Report from Safed about the Arab massacres of 1834:

"Now I have come to announce the large losses and afflictions that have been created in Israel in four countries, ie Jerusalem,and Hebron and the Upper Galilee, namely Safed. And the lower Galilee, namely the city of Tabriya. By the hands of the plunderers and looters that rose in the country. And they come only upon the Jews...

On Sunday, eight days in the month of Sivan, the looters, inhabitants of the villages joined with the inhabitants of the cities. They had weapons of war and shields and fell upon all the Jews and stripped their clothes from men and women. They expelled them naked from the city, and plundered all their property...

The remnants were coerced and raped whether men or women. Tore all the Torah scrolls, and their talit and tefilin and the city was abandoned... This was so for 33 days, so was done in the city of Safed, so was done in other towns."

Periodicals of people of Israel in Eretz Israel - Menachem Mendel ben- Aaaron 1800-1873

Q. So before any Zionist ever shot a bullet, even before Herzl,
what was the Arab excuse for Jihad against the local Jews?

What P F Tinmore, lost on words...

So what was the Arab excuse for Jihad against the local Jews before Zionism?

I don't know. Your post had no context.

The usual excuse for your racism,

yet you don't hesitate to blame the conflict, and just about anything on Jews,
despite all the context of Arab violence against the local Jewish community.

But it's up to you, since you're repeating that claim all the time,
to explain the reason for Jihad against the local Jewish community prior to Zionism.

Not so. Most Jews are good people. It is the Zionists who are the problem.

Oh....so Zionism was the excuse for Jihad against the local Jews - prior to Zionism?

Now I understand,
thanks for clearing that up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lowkey on the UK's Complicity in Israeli Apartheid & Settler Colonialism​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why Palestinians Are Rising Up Against the Palestinian Authority - Fadi Quran & Peter Beinart​

 

[Hollie]

 

[rylah]

Why Palestinians Are Rising Up Against the Palestinian Authority - Fadi Quran & Peter Beinart​

A storm in a teacup.
No one is actually uprising,
they just blow out a spectacle for the optics.

It's just the usual daily tribal gang confrontation,
that they have been continuously involved in Arabia.

The reality is, since the Abrahamic Accords, they've lost much attention and interest,
so their bank accounts have been drying in foreign casinos. But the very same people
Fadi Quran is supposedly criticizing, are the very oligarchs with whom he then divides
95% of the budged that's supposed to serve his people,
and the cycle goes on - it's a business.

The same as you, supposedly "criticizing" the PA,
yet all day long posting propaganda of all the PA oligarchs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why Palestinians Are Rising Up Against the Palestinian Authority - Fadi Quran & Peter Beinart​

A storm in a teacup.
No one is actually uprising,
they just blow out a spectacle for the optics.

It's just the usual daily tribal gang confrontation,
that they have been continuously involved in Arabia.

The reality is, since the Abrahamic Accords, they've lost much attention and interest,
so their bank accounts have been drying in foreign casinos. But the very same people
Fadi Quran is supposedly criticizing, are the very oligarchs with whom he then divides
95% of the budged that's supposed to serve his people,
and the cycle goes on - it's a business.

The same as you, supposedly "criticizing" the PA,
yet all day long posting propaganda of all the PA oligarchs.

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Why Palestinians Are Rising Up Against the Palestinian Authority - Fadi Quran & Peter Beinart​

A storm in a teacup.
No one is actually uprising,
they just blow out a spectacle for the optics.

It's just the usual daily tribal gang confrontation,
that they have been continuously involved in Arabia.

The reality is, since the Abrahamic Accords, they've lost much attention and interest,
so their bank accounts have been drying in foreign casinos. But the very same people
Fadi Quran is supposedly criticizing, are the very oligarchs with whom he then divides
95% of the budged that's supposed to serve his people,
and the cycle goes on - it's a business.

The same as you, supposedly "criticizing" the PA,
yet all day long posting propaganda of all the PA oligarchs.

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

Get real, all you're doing all day long is posting videos of PA's oligarch children in the US,
spending the billions of UNRWA and PA budget abroad, with the only job prescription -
to blame the corruption of their own families on Jews/Israel.

When did they ever have a legitimate govt,
ever? Did you see any of your favorite oligarchs
doing anything remotely constructive that is not optics and hot air, real job, ever?

We both know the answer...

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a weird issue. I am not sure that many Palestinians know because the information is controlled by the illegal government. Some know because I sometimes hear it mentioned in Palestinian speeches.

You have to follow this closely. In 2006 there were PLC (parliament) elections in all of Palestine. Not just in Gaza. Hamas won the majority of seats giving them the right to form a government. (The PM and his cabinet.) Since Hamas was the majority party in the PA, they formed their government. (Note: Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.) The US and Israel did not like that so they cut off all funding.

In March of 2007, Hamas and Fatah created the "unity government of 2007." It included Hamas, Fatah, smaller parties, and independents. A Christian woman held a cabinet position. The PLC approved of this government as required by their constitution. It was the model government in the ME.

The US did not like that either so it provided Fatah (Remember Fatah, they lost the elections.) with $86M in weapons plus training in Jordan to overthrow the PA and put Fatah back in power.

Fighting broke out in June of 2007. Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza but failed to do so in the West Bank. Israel helped by kidnapping about 40 members of parliament and cabinet ministers. The liars call this the Hamas coup against the PA taking over Gaza.

At this time Abbas left the PA and appointed a new government in the West Bank. The president does have the authority to dismiss a government and appoint a new one. However, the existing government stays in office until the new one is approve by the PLC.

The last legal government (Approved by the PLC.) in Palestine was the Unity Government of 2007.

Links on request.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a weird issue. I am not sure that many Palestinians know because the information is controlled by the illegal government. Some know because I sometimes hear it mentioned in Palestinian speeches.

You have to follow this closely. In 2006 there were PLC (parliament) elections in all of Palestine. Not just in Gaza. Hamas won the majority of seats giving them the right to form a government. (The PM and his cabinet.) Since Hamas was the majority party in the PA, they formed their government. (Note: Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.) The US and Israel did not like that so they cut off all funding.

In March of 2007, Hamas and Fatah created the "unity government of 2007." It included Hamas, Fatah, smaller parties, and independents. A Christian woman held a cabinet position. The PLC approved of this government as required by their constitution. It was the model government in the ME.

The US did not like that either so it provided Fatah (Remember Fatah, they lost the elections.) with $86M in weapons plus training in Jordan to overthrow the PA and put Fatah back in power.

Fighting broke out in June of 2007. Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza but failed to do so in the West Bank. Israel helped by kidnapping about 40 members of parliament and cabinet ministers. The liars call this the Hamas coup against the PA taking over Gaza.

At this time Abbas left the PA and appointed a new government in the West Bank. The president does have the authority to dismiss a government and appoint a new one. However, the existing government stays in office until the new one is approve by the PLC.

The last legal government (Approved by the PLC.) in Palestine was the Unity Government of 2007.

Links on request.

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a weird issue. I am not sure that many Palestinians know because the information is controlled by the illegal government. Some know because I sometimes hear it mentioned in Palestinian speeches.

You have to follow this closely. In 2006 there were PLC (parliament) elections in all of Palestine. Not just in Gaza. Hamas won the majority of seats giving them the right to form a government. (The PM and his cabinet.) Since Hamas was the majority party in the PA, they formed their government. (Note: Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.) The US and Israel did not like that so they cut off all funding.

In March of 2007, Hamas and Fatah created the "unity government of 2007." It included Hamas, Fatah, smaller parties, and independents. A Christian woman held a cabinet position. The PLC approved of this government as required by their constitution. It was the model government in the ME.

The US did not like that either so it provided Fatah (Remember Fatah, they lost the elections.) with $86M in weapons plus training in Jordan to overthrow the PA and put Fatah back in power.

Fighting broke out in June of 2007. Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza but failed to do so in the West Bank. Israel helped by kidnapping about 40 members of parliament and cabinet ministers. The liars call this the Hamas coup against the PA taking over Gaza.

At this time Abbas left the PA and appointed a new government in the West Bank. The president does have the authority to dismiss a government and appoint a new one. However, the existing government stays in office until the new one is approve by the PLC.

The last legal government (Approved by the PLC.) in Palestine was the Unity Government of 2007.

Links on request.

Link?

Whose Coup, Exactly?

Mutual accusations are hurled by Abbas and Haniyeh that the other side launched a coup against the legitimate authority. An international community worried by the 'coup' accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the 'coup' claim stumbles over a basic...

electronicintifada.net

An international community worried by the ‘coup’ accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the ‘coup’ claim stumbles over a basic problem — that Abbas’s appointing a new prime minister was itself entirely illegal. The new ‘emergency government’ is illegal, too. According to the Basic Law of Palestine (as amended in 2003), which serves as the constitution of the PA, Abbas can do neither of these things. Nor can the new ‘emergency government’ claim any democratic mandate. This means that Abbas and the Fayyad government are ruling by decree, outside the framework of the Basic Law.
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Would you like another?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a weird issue. I am not sure that many Palestinians know because the information is controlled by the illegal government. Some know because I sometimes hear it mentioned in Palestinian speeches.

You have to follow this closely. In 2006 there were PLC (parliament) elections in all of Palestine. Not just in Gaza. Hamas won the majority of seats giving them the right to form a government. (The PM and his cabinet.) Since Hamas was the majority party in the PA, they formed their government. (Note: Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.) The US and Israel did not like that so they cut off all funding.

In March of 2007, Hamas and Fatah created the "unity government of 2007." It included Hamas, Fatah, smaller parties, and independents. A Christian woman held a cabinet position. The PLC approved of this government as required by their constitution. It was the model government in the ME.

The US did not like that either so it provided Fatah (Remember Fatah, they lost the elections.) with $86M in weapons plus training in Jordan to overthrow the PA and put Fatah back in power.

Fighting broke out in June of 2007. Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza but failed to do so in the West Bank. Israel helped by kidnapping about 40 members of parliament and cabinet ministers. The liars call this the Hamas coup against the PA taking over Gaza.

At this time Abbas left the PA and appointed a new government in the West Bank. The president does have the authority to dismiss a government and appoint a new one. However, the existing government stays in office until the new one is approve by the PLC.

The last legal government (Approved by the PLC.) in Palestine was the Unity Government of 2007.

Links on request.

Link?

Whose Coup, Exactly?

Mutual accusations are hurled by Abbas and Haniyeh that the other side launched a coup against the legitimate authority. An international community worried by the 'coup' accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the 'coup' claim stumbles over a basic...

electronicintifada.net

An international community worried by the ‘coup’ accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the ‘coup’ claim stumbles over a basic problem — that Abbas’s appointing a new prime minister was itself entirely illegal. The new ‘emergency government’ is illegal, too. According to the Basic Law of Palestine (as amended in 2003), which serves as the constitution of the PA, Abbas can do neither of these things. Nor can the new ‘emergency government’ claim any democratic mandate. This means that Abbas and the Fayyad government are ruling by decree, outside the framework of the Basic Law.
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Would you like another?

Yes. Something from youtube.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a weird issue. I am not sure that many Palestinians know because the information is controlled by the illegal government. Some know because I sometimes hear it mentioned in Palestinian speeches.

You have to follow this closely. In 2006 there were PLC (parliament) elections in all of Palestine. Not just in Gaza. Hamas won the majority of seats giving them the right to form a government. (The PM and his cabinet.) Since Hamas was the majority party in the PA, they formed their government. (Note: Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.) The US and Israel did not like that so they cut off all funding.

In March of 2007, Hamas and Fatah created the "unity government of 2007." It included Hamas, Fatah, smaller parties, and independents. A Christian woman held a cabinet position. The PLC approved of this government as required by their constitution. It was the model government in the ME.

The US did not like that either so it provided Fatah (Remember Fatah, they lost the elections.) with $86M in weapons plus training in Jordan to overthrow the PA and put Fatah back in power.

Fighting broke out in June of 2007. Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza but failed to do so in the West Bank. Israel helped by kidnapping about 40 members of parliament and cabinet ministers. The liars call this the Hamas coup against the PA taking over Gaza.

At this time Abbas left the PA and appointed a new government in the West Bank. The president does have the authority to dismiss a government and appoint a new one. However, the existing government stays in office until the new one is approve by the PLC.

The last legal government (Approved by the PLC.) in Palestine was the Unity Government of 2007.

Links on request.

Link?

Whose Coup, Exactly?

Mutual accusations are hurled by Abbas and Haniyeh that the other side launched a coup against the legitimate authority. An international community worried by the 'coup' accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the 'coup' claim stumbles over a basic...

electronicintifada.net

An international community worried by the ‘coup’ accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the ‘coup’ claim stumbles over a basic problem — that Abbas’s appointing a new prime minister was itself entirely illegal. The new ‘emergency government’ is illegal, too. According to the Basic Law of Palestine (as amended in 2003), which serves as the constitution of the PA, Abbas can do neither of these things. Nor can the new ‘emergency government’ claim any democratic mandate. This means that Abbas and the Fayyad government are ruling by decree, outside the framework of the Basic Law.
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Would you like another?

Yes. Something from youtube.

OK.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: An Illegal Government is a paradox. The authoritarian regime is kept in power by the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc).

I have always criticized the so called PA in the West Bank. It isn't even the legal government in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

A government cannot remain in power if the people across the entire segment of their society, somehow believe he is a legitimate power. Just to say you think the PA - State of Palestine is controlled by an illegal regime, does not shed any proof on that allegation.

IF the people believe the authoritarian has some hold, and the authoritarian maintains that hold through leadership,​

THEN the authoritarian is representing the will of the people. That is a form of legitimacy.​

IF the people believe that the authoritarian is illegally in power,​

THEN the people (ordinary citizens, civil servants, military units, mercenaries, etc) will rise-up and reclaim their power to control government. ​

​

IF the people do not enforce their will, ​

THEN the authoritarian becomes the head of state whether by Rule of Law or not.​

​

The government is an instrument of the people. It stays in power by the will of the people, and is replaced by the hand of the people.

IF the Arab Palestinian allow Mahmoud Abbas to lead, ​

THEN Mahmoud Abbas is the de facto government.​

After all, it is the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And that will remain TRUE until the people of Palestine change that underlaying view. Passing a Basic Law and then ignoring it is implicit approval by the people.

You have to look at the ground truth and understand it.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a weird issue. I am not sure that many Palestinians know because the information is controlled by the illegal government. Some know because I sometimes hear it mentioned in Palestinian speeches.

You have to follow this closely. In 2006 there were PLC (parliament) elections in all of Palestine. Not just in Gaza. Hamas won the majority of seats giving them the right to form a government. (The PM and his cabinet.) Since Hamas was the majority party in the PA, they formed their government. (Note: Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.) The US and Israel did not like that so they cut off all funding.

In March of 2007, Hamas and Fatah created the "unity government of 2007." It included Hamas, Fatah, smaller parties, and independents. A Christian woman held a cabinet position. The PLC approved of this government as required by their constitution. It was the model government in the ME.

The US did not like that either so it provided Fatah (Remember Fatah, they lost the elections.) with $86M in weapons plus training in Jordan to overthrow the PA and put Fatah back in power.

Fighting broke out in June of 2007. Hamas kicked Fatah out of Gaza but failed to do so in the West Bank. Israel helped by kidnapping about 40 members of parliament and cabinet ministers. The liars call this the Hamas coup against the PA taking over Gaza.

At this time Abbas left the PA and appointed a new government in the West Bank. The president does have the authority to dismiss a government and appoint a new one. However, the existing government stays in office until the new one is approve by the PLC.

The last legal government (Approved by the PLC.) in Palestine was the Unity Government of 2007.

Links on request.

Link?

Whose Coup, Exactly?

Mutual accusations are hurled by Abbas and Haniyeh that the other side launched a coup against the legitimate authority. An international community worried by the 'coup' accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the 'coup' claim stumbles over a basic...

electronicintifada.net

An international community worried by the ‘coup’ accusation might endorse the Fayyad government as the seemingly correct position. But the ‘coup’ claim stumbles over a basic problem — that Abbas’s appointing a new prime minister was itself entirely illegal. The new ‘emergency government’ is illegal, too. According to the Basic Law of Palestine (as amended in 2003), which serves as the constitution of the PA, Abbas can do neither of these things. Nor can the new ‘emergency government’ claim any democratic mandate. This means that Abbas and the Fayyad government are ruling by decree, outside the framework of the Basic Law.
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Would you like another?

Yes. Something from youtube.

OK.

Irrelevant.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Michael Brooks&Jeff Halper: Decolonizing Israel Liberating Palestine The Need For 1 Democratic State​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Episode 12: Israel's New Government brings Hamas into the Tent​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Caroline Glick News Hour
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Episode 12: Israel's New Government brings Hamas into the Tent​

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This is so unlike you! Are you turning away from the Dark Force?

Most Respectfully,
R