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This constant badgering and attempts to associate Israel with either "Apartheid" or descriptively as a "Bantustan" like government is just NOT substantiated in terms of real evidence.
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This constant badgering and attempts to associate Israel with either "Apartheid" or descriptively as a "Bantustan" like government is just NOT substantiated in terms of real evidence.
Start @ 14:00

Start at the beginning.


Virginia Tilley was a contributor to the phony ESCWA report that Richard Falk was derided for.

Cutting and pasting YouTube videos with these charlatans is little more than being an accomplice to fraud. I guess these folks appear wherever they can find an audience.
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC:
Breaking the Israel-Palestine Status Quo (Rights Based Approach)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This presentation emphasizes the need to raise the focus on Arab Palestinian Human Rights as a tool to wearing US Support to Israel. And it attempts to shame (the soul searching idea) the US by suggesting that we support some notion that Israeli Lives are worth more than Palestinian Lives (a take-off on Black Lives Matter which turned-out to be a tool to justify rioting and looting - weakening law enforcement services in the process). It also reemphasizes the notion that there is a "racial" and "apartheid" in trying to justify the recommendations by suggesting that this racial division gives way to apartheid.


EXCERPT • Encyclopædia Britannica on Race said:
Today the term has little scientific standing, as older methods of differentiation, including hair form and body measurement, have given way to the comparative analysis of DNA and gene frequencies relating to such factors as BLOOD TYPING, the excretion of AMINO ACIDS, and inherited ENZYME deficiencies.
SOURCE: © 2006 BY ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA, INC. pp 1581


Race constructivists is a politically conveniently built criteria as a tool of justification for better (positive consideration) or worse treatment (discrimination). In the case of the Arab Palestinians 'vs' Israelis → Israel is much more diverse.


Authors of Breaking the Israel-palestine status quo.png
(COMMENT)

They openly say that they have no solution to offer. The Report they present (
Breaking the Israeli-Palestine Staus Quo) is a craftily authored anti-US Support to Israel.

Main Policy Recommendations
❖. Adopt a rights-based approach that prioritizes the rights and security of both Israelis and Palestinians.​
❖. In the face of Israeli actions that impede the creation of a viable, sovereign Palestinian state, make clear that the United States will not support any dispensation that fails to guarantee full equality and enfranchisement for all those residing in the territory under Israeli control and jurisdiction.​

The Report criticizes US curtailment of aid in the support the Palestinian Authority [a subsidiary of the Palestine Liberation Authority (PLO)], the closure of the PLO Offices in Washington, and the movement of Embassy to Jerusalem as acts which undermine a comprehensive political settlement. It complains that the status quo is no more sustainable today then it was in 2016. Which is in part true. The panelist suggest that the US should not weaponize aid that might pressure the PLO/PA to negotiate. The report in a round-about way, attempts to use the Humanitarian Rights approach to achieve a two-State solution and reset the clock back to 1967 before the engagement.

It is another pro-Arab Palestinian political paper that offers no solution be rips into the heart of past US support of Israel and the lack of support for the PA. It wants its community of readers to support any moves that will weaken the Israeli defense effort.

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Over the wall and gone, a Jewish-American in the Palestinian West Bank: Joshua Davis at TEDxMuskegon

 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC:
Breaking the Israel-Palestine Status Quo (Rights Based Approach)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This presentation emphasizes the need to raise the focus on Arab Palestinian Human Rights as a tool to wearing US Support to Israel. And it attempts to shame (the soul searching idea) the US by suggesting that we support some notion that Israeli Lives are worth more than Palestinian Lives (a take-off on Black Lives Matter which turned-out to be a tool to justify rioting and looting - weakening law enforcement services in the process). It also reemphasizes the notion that there is a "racial" and "apartheid" in trying to justify the recommendations by suggesting that this racial division gives way to apartheid.




EXCERPT • Encyclopædia Britannica on Race said:
Today the term has little scientific standing, as older methods of differentiation, including hair form and body measurement, have given way to the comparative analysis of DNA and gene frequencies relating to such factors as BLOOD TYPING, the excretion of AMINO ACIDS, and inherited ENZYME deficiencies.​
SOURCE: © 2006 BY ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA, INC. pp 1581


Race constructivists is a politically conveniently built criteria as a tool of justification for better (positive consideration) or worse treatment (discrimination). In the case of the Arab Palestinians 'vs' Israelis → Israel is much more diverse.

(COMMENT)

They openly say that they have no solution to offer. The Report they present (
Breaking the Israeli-Palestine Staus Quo) is a craftily authored anti-US Support to Israel.

Main Policy Recommendations
❖. Adopt a rights-based approach that prioritizes the rights and security of both Israelis and Palestinians.​
❖. In the face of Israeli actions that impede the creation of a viable, sovereign Palestinian state, make clear that the United States will not support any dispensation that fails to guarantee full equality and enfranchisement for all those residing in the territory under Israeli control and jurisdiction.​

The Report criticizes US curtailment of aid in the support the Palestinian Authority [a subsidiary of the Palestine Liberation Authority (PLO)], the closure of the PLO Offices in Washington, and the movement of Embassy to Jerusalem as acts which undermine a comprehensive political settlement. It complains that the status quo is no more sustainable today then it was in 2016. Which is in part true. The panelist suggest that the US should not weaponize aid that might pressure the PLO/PA to negotiate. The report in a round-about way, attempts to use the Humanitarian Rights approach to achieve a two-State solution and reset the clock back to 1967 before the engagement.

It is another pro-Arab Palestinian political paper that offers no solution be rips into the heart of past US support of Israel and the lack of support for the PA. It wants its community of readers to support any moves that will weaken the Israeli defense effort.

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R
The Palestinians have been calling for a solution based on international law and UN resolutions for a ling time. It us good that it is finding its way into main stream discourse.
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC:
Breaking the Israel-Palestine Status Quo (Rights Based Approach)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm not sure you understand the difference between International Human Rights Law (HRL) and International Humanitarian law (IHL).

The Palestinians have been calling for a solution based on international law and UN resolutions for a ling time. It us good that it is finding its way into main stream discourse.
(COMMENT)

I'm surprised that you have the gull to even say that. Each time I cited IHL and HRL, you argue with it. The last big discussion was on the Gazians riot and charge on the "Right of Return" claim.

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC:
Breaking the Israel-Palestine Status Quo (Rights Based Approach)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm not sure you understand the difference between International Human Rights Law (HRL) and International Humanitarian law (IHL).

The Palestinians have been calling for a solution based on international law and UN resolutions for a ling time. It us good that it is finding its way into main stream discourse.
(COMMENT)

I'm surprised that you have the gull to even say that. Each time I cited IHL and HRL, you argue with it. The last big discussion was on the Gazians riot and charge on the "Right of Return" claim.

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What are you trying to say? :dunno:
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Anti-Israeli Rhetoric
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

PREFACE: Israel is not perfect; but then, what country is?

At a time when the World has become a very dangerous place, what is the Anti-Israeli Lobby all about?

Flash of  Posting 1470 & 1471.png

Flash on Posting 1470 and Posting 1471
(THE OBVIOUS)

The Israeli Settlement Issue is becoming and albatross for Israel. The settlers are getting out of hand and becoming an ever bigger blight on the image of Israeli Fairness and Justice.

At some point the necessary first step will be that, the negative activities of the Jewish Settlements will have to be reigned-in and there confrontational reputation cleaned-up.

Part of thee clean-up effort will have to be curbing the heavy-handedness at which the Settlers treat Arab Palestinian neighbors.

The Area "C" Jewish Settlements will have to be dismantled and pulled-out and the Israeli Area "C" territory gradually be released from Israeli oversight. This will become a post-confrontation and unilateral phasing out of Israeli territorial oversight.

(COMMENT)

There is no question to that → Israel has made some very heavy handed policy decisions in its role as the protectorate of Areas "B" and "C" in the territories outside of Israel. And while the Israelis don't generally speak of it, the multifaceted nature of Israel
(both politically and religiously) is sometimes complicated by a less than sparkling attitude towards its caretaker role of these territories → Israel is going to have to face the fact that it cannot hold onto the territories indefinitely without some positive change and investment - or - withdraw.

(OBSERVATION)

There is a kind of faulty reasoning on the issues when the anti-Israel Lobby makes an exchange → "emotion" replacing "critical thinking." The anti-Israeli Lobby induces generalized opinions rather than increasing its specific knowledge on the issue. The anti-Israeli Lobby attempt to persuade (with some very spectacular successes) without offering much of a logical path of reasoning - to adopt a particular view in the application of "apartheid" overlaid on reality - rather than a rational view of the true situation. And sometimes, the Israelis unwittingly contribute to this underdog view of the settlement controversy; as in the adverse impact of allowing settlement thug type actions to grow unchecked.


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The Jerusalem Declaration on Antisemitism - Thomas Suárez

 
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Resisting Israel’s Lobby on Campus and in the Community - Robin Kelley

 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Anti-Israeli Rhetoric
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

PREFACE: Israel is not perfect; but then, what country is?

At a time when the World has become a very dangerous place, what is the Anti-Israeli Lobby all about?

View attachment 484421
Flash on Posting 1470 and Posting 1471
(THE OBVIOUS)

The Israeli Settlement Issue is becoming and albatross for Israel. The settlers are getting out of hand and becoming an ever bigger blight on the image of Israeli Fairness and Justice.

At some point the necessary first step will be that, the negative activities of the Jewish Settlements will have to be reigned-in and there confrontational reputation cleaned-up.

Part of thee clean-up effort will have to be curbing the heavy-handedness at which the Settlers treat Arab Palestinian neighbors.

The Area "C" Jewish Settlements will have to be dismantled and pulled-out and the Israeli Area "C" territory gradually be released from Israeli oversight. This will become a post-confrontation and unilateral phasing out of Israeli territorial oversight.

(COMMENT)

There is no question to that → Israel has made some very heavy handed policy decisions in its role as the protectorate of Areas "B" and "C" in the territories outside of Israel. And while the Israelis don't generally speak of it, the multifaceted nature of Israel
(both politically and religiously) is sometimes complicated by a less than sparkling attitude towards its caretaker role of these territories → Israel is going to have to face the fact that it cannot hold onto the territories indefinitely without some positive change and investment - or - withdraw.

(OBSERVATION)

There is a kind of faulty reasoning on the issues when the anti-Israel Lobby makes an exchange → "emotion" replacing "critical thinking." The anti-Israeli Lobby induces generalized opinions rather than increasing its specific knowledge on the issue. The anti-Israeli Lobby attempt to persuade (with some very spectacular successes) without offering much of a logical path of reasoning - to adopt a particular view in the application of "apartheid" overlaid on reality - rather than a rational view of the true situation. And sometimes, the Israelis unwittingly contribute to this underdog view of the settlement controversy; as in the adverse impact of allowing settlement thug type actions to grow unchecked.


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Wait what??!
RoccoR hold on a sec...

When discussing hostile elements in the context of sovereignty,
You've suggested to curb any lexicon of Bin-Nus's 3 options,
but now have no problem to suggest to "clean-up" Israelis?

Please, show me where I've misunderstood You.
Otherwise You just contradict Yourself,
and prove the 3 options correct.
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Anti-Israeli Rhetoric
⁜→ rylah, et al,

PREFACE: Israel is not perfect; but then, what country is?

BLUF: Most anti-Israeli rhetoric is about disfiguring the face of Israel rather than looking at the issues objectively.

Wait what??!
RoccoR hold on a sec...

When discussing hostile elements in the context of sovereignty,
You've suggested to curb any lexicon of Bin-Nus's 3 options,
but now have no problem to suggest to "clean-up" Israelis?

Please, show me where I've misunderstood You.
Otherwise You just contradict Yourself,
and prove the 3 options correct.
(COMMENT)

No state is 100% correct all the time
(ie no state has a decision process which is perfect or without flaws). There is always (I hate that word) room for improver in the aggregate or in its individual components. Every culture has room to grow.



"If you’re like me, you want to change so that you can have a better life
— a life that works better, gives you more happiness, and helps you
find more peace."
Jennifer Kunst Ph.D.
A Headshrinker's Guide to the Galaxy
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In terms of the context of sovereignty, it is much simpler then people make it out to be.

◈ Israel is sovereign (so far) only where it says it is sovereign.​
◈ Israel is sovereign (so far) everywhere is says it is sovereign.​

These two may sound like the same thing, but there is a subtile different. If the security barrier strays across the Green Line, that extra piece of territory is sovereign to Israel. Why? Because Israel exercises "exclusively" its domestic laws on that side of the Security Barrier.

◈ The Ramallah Government is sovereign to Area "A" and only Area "A."​
◈ HAMAS is sovereign to the Gaza Strip and only the Gaza Strip.​

Why is this true? Because Hamas exercises exclusive jurisdiction over the Gaza Strip. The Ramallah Government exercises exclusive jurisdiction over Area "A."

₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪ ✪ ₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪

No matter what option Israel decides to pursue, it should keep in mind that it has three environments of which it must content:

◈ The Domestic Environment
◈ The Arab Palestinian Environment
◈ The World-Wide Environment

Only a perfect decision (very unlikely) can satisfy all three environments and still achieve its goal. It may choose to completely satisfy one environment and through polished mitigating techniques, sufficiently satisfy the other two environments in varying degrees.

An example of one such polished mitigation → is to apply a law enforcement solution that captures the attention of the Arab Palestinians; that being police interdiction of Israeli Settlers and the neighboring Arab Palestinians. Whether or not it is true, the projected image is that the Settlers can harass and assault the Palestinians while Law Enforcement stands by and does nothing. There is no question that this image can be polished-up from the external perspectives from many directions.

The external image of Israel may not be correct, but it is very relevant and still can damages Israel in terms of diplomatic capital. Israel may want to expand its consideration and extend it's diplomatic capital through to ocassional settlement of differences in which each side makes concessions. One way to initiate such a change is to implement a "Rapid Magistrate Response Cell" (RDMC) that can deploy to temporary hot spots and hear cases and dispense true fairness and justice; not just compliance oriented decisions always in favor of the Israelis.


At some point, whether or not the Arab Palestinians ask for it, Israel should implement four principles fairness and confidence in the Israelis.

◈ Arab Palestinians should be granted by the RDMC a "no-cost" opportunity to explain the mitigating circumstances or their actions and the benefit of their actions BEFORE any penalty (if any) is adjudicated. And if the presentation makes sense, rule in favor of the Arab Palestinian.​
◈ The Arab Palestinian must gain a sense that the RDMC is fair and is balanced between both sides can examine the the case for reasons extrinsic to the facts that benefit the community or law.​
◈ The RDMC must show a level of dignity to the Arab Palestinian that projects and constitutes respectful treatment and of civility.​
◈ The RDMC Authorities need to be seen as benevolent, caring, and sincerely trying to help the Arab Palestinians.​
Whether or not the Arab Palestinians actually requests a combined Article X and XV "Dispute Resolution Process" it must be something for the Israelis to consider unilaterally.

From a Counter-Terrorism and Counterinsurgency standpoint, these kinds of actions can take the wind from their sails.

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(SIDEBAR)

As Dr Kunst eludes to, the goal should be moving towards "happiness and peace;" whether it is applied to a single person, a community, a culture or a nation. And this is the principle difference between Israel (which is always significantly higher in human development than any of the Arab States and light-years beyond the Arab Palestinian) and the Arab Palestinians. For the Arab Palestinians to improve requires an alteration or fundamental change in their the methodology, concepts, and practices which guide them politically and effect them culturally.

What must change first:

◈ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. [Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)]
◈ Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. (Palestinian National Council and Fatah)

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From an Israel-Centric to a Rights-Based Approach - Zaha Hassan

 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC:
Breaking the Israel-Palestine Status Quo (Rights Based Approach)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This presentation emphasizes the need to raise the focus on Arab Palestinian Human Rights as a tool to wearing US Support to Israel. And it attempts to shame (the soul searching idea) the US by suggesting that we support some notion that Israeli Lives are worth more than Palestinian Lives (a take-off on Black Lives Matter which turned-out to be a tool to justify rioting and looting - weakening law enforcement services in the process). It also reemphasizes the notion that there is a "racial" and "apartheid" in trying to justify the recommendations by suggesting that this racial division gives way to apartheid.




EXCERPT • Encyclopædia Britannica on Race said:
Today the term has little scientific standing, as older methods of differentiation, including hair form and body measurement, have given way to the comparative analysis of DNA and gene frequencies relating to such factors as BLOOD TYPING, the excretion of AMINO ACIDS, and inherited ENZYME deficiencies.​
SOURCE: © 2006 BY ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA, INC. pp 1581


Race constructivists is a politically conveniently built criteria as a tool of justification for better (positive consideration) or worse treatment (discrimination). In the case of the Arab Palestinians 'vs' Israelis → Israel is much more diverse.

(COMMENT)

They openly say that they have no solution to offer. The Report they present (
Breaking the Israeli-Palestine Staus Quo) is a craftily authored anti-US Support to Israel.

Main Policy Recommendations
❖. Adopt a rights-based approach that prioritizes the rights and security of both Israelis and Palestinians.​
❖. In the face of Israeli actions that impede the creation of a viable, sovereign Palestinian state, make clear that the United States will not support any dispensation that fails to guarantee full equality and enfranchisement for all those residing in the territory under Israeli control and jurisdiction.​

The Report criticizes US curtailment of aid in the support the Palestinian Authority [a subsidiary of the Palestine Liberation Authority (PLO)], the closure of the PLO Offices in Washington, and the movement of Embassy to Jerusalem as acts which undermine a comprehensive political settlement. It complains that the status quo is no more sustainable today then it was in 2016. Which is in part true. The panelist suggest that the US should not weaponize aid that might pressure the PLO/PA to negotiate. The report in a round-about way, attempts to use the Humanitarian Rights approach to achieve a two-State solution and reset the clock back to 1967 before the engagement.

It is another pro-Arab Palestinian political paper that offers no solution be rips into the heart of past US support of Israel and the lack of support for the PA. It wants its community of readers to support any moves that will weaken the Israeli defense effort.

1611604183365.png

Most Respectfully,
R
The Palestinians have been calling for a solution based on international law and UN resolutions for a ling time. It us good that it is finding its way into main stream discourse.
Actually, the Pally's have been furthering a solution to the Jews in accordance with a 1,400 year old pitico-religious ideology. To suggest the Pally's have any interest in international law is nonsense. Actions speak with the utmost clarity and the continued Islamic terrorist gee-had being waged by the angry tribes in Gaza and Mahmoud'istan speak to lawlessness and religious hatreds.
 
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Palestine, Propaganda and the President - Ali Abunimah

 
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