Palestinian animals blow up civilian bus in Jerusalem

[P F Tinmore]

It is barbarous act to put a bomb on a bus carrying civilians. But, that's not the point with respect to my question. The IRA, the FLN, the ANC and the Tamils did as much and worse, so it is not unusual.

My question is why would supporters of Israel expect that the Palestinians would not mimic the behavior of those other groups.

No one expects anything from the Palestinians.

And the IRA have nothing to do with this issue.


Is there an issue?

Yes, the issue is that you, apparently, expect the Palestinians to behave differently than the IRA, the FLN, the ANC, the Tamils and other groups that were/are in a similar position as the Palestinians. I am wondering why you would expect that.

Those "other", non-islamist groups are not / were not in the same position. Can you explain why?

Well, no. They, including the FLN who were Muslim, are in exactly the same position as the Palestinians vis-a-vis their rulers.

Actually, the various non-islamists were not in the same position as the Islamic terrorist 'Pal'istanians. There's a common theme that connects the Islamic fascists. Can you guess what it is?

One of the first rules in the maintenance of totalitarianism is to invent an external enemy to deflect scrutiny and criticism of the real enemy: the internal islamist oppressor(s). We see this with a of the Islamist terrorist fear societies.

Isn't it odd how we see all these islamist "victims" running around with automatic weapons, complaining of discrimination, whining about being unfairly accused of terrorist bombings, and warning the infidel of the innocent civilians that will be killed in a military reprisal? They justify their murderous acts by claiming to be oppressed by non-Moslems. But if they were truly fighting oppression, they would surely lash out at their own oppressive governments first. On the contrary; they seem to be doing their oppressive government's bidding. When islamics are given the chance to run their own governments, the first thing they do is lock down the society, remove all human rights, and oppress everyone within their borders with intolerable religious laws and ruthless enforcement.

You always talk about Muslim extremists but have you ever promoted any moderates?

Palestinian National Initiative


The PNI views itself as a "democratic third force" in Palestinian politics and opposes the dichotomy between Fatah (which it views as corrupt and undemocratic) and Hamas (which it views as extremist and fundamentalist).

Palestinian National Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

They claim to be the party of peace. They do not have a military wing.

 

[Juicin]

Details to follow. Time to level a few blocks in Gaza and West Bank.

At least 15 wounded in Jerusalem bus blast - Israel News

"Jewish supremacists get what they deserve in Jerusalem"

 

[Mindful]

Details to follow. Time to level a few blocks in Gaza and West Bank.

At least 15 wounded in Jerusalem bus blast - Israel News

"Jewish supremacists get what they deserve in Jerusalem"

Here's another nutter.

 

[Juicin]

Details to follow. Time to level a few blocks in Gaza and West Bank.

At least 15 wounded in Jerusalem bus blast - Israel News

"Jewish supremacists get what they deserve in Jerusalem"

Here's another nutter.

Right of return is recognized by everyone except racist Jews

Look around pinky, you're sort of outnumbered on this. Even Europeans hate Israel

 

[Hollie]

No one expects anything from the Palestinians.

And the IRA have nothing to do with this issue.


Is there an issue?

Yes, the issue is that you, apparently, expect the Palestinians to behave differently than the IRA, the FLN, the ANC, the Tamils and other groups that were/are in a similar position as the Palestinians. I am wondering why you would expect that.

Those "other", non-islamist groups are not / were not in the same position. Can you explain why?

Well, no. They, including the FLN who were Muslim, are in exactly the same position as the Palestinians vis-a-vis their rulers.

Actually, the various non-islamists were not in the same position as the Islamic terrorist 'Pal'istanians. There's a common theme that connects the Islamic fascists. Can you guess what it is?

One of the first rules in the maintenance of totalitarianism is to invent an external enemy to deflect scrutiny and criticism of the real enemy: the internal islamist oppressor(s). We see this with a of the Islamist terrorist fear societies.

Isn't it odd how we see all these islamist "victims" running around with automatic weapons, complaining of discrimination, whining about being unfairly accused of terrorist bombings, and warning the infidel of the innocent civilians that will be killed in a military reprisal? They justify their murderous acts by claiming to be oppressed by non-Moslems. But if they were truly fighting oppression, they would surely lash out at their own oppressive governments first. On the contrary; they seem to be doing their oppressive government's bidding. When islamics are given the chance to run their own governments, the first thing they do is lock down the society, remove all human rights, and oppress everyone within their borders with intolerable religious laws and ruthless enforcement.

You always talk about Muslim extremists but have you ever promoted any moderates?

Palestinian National Initiative


The PNI views itself as a "democratic third force" in Palestinian politics and opposes the dichotomy between Fatah (which it views as corrupt and undemocratic) and Hamas (which it views as extremist and fundamentalist).

Palestinian National Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

They claim to be the party of peace. They do not have a military wing.

The UNRWA welfare fraud draws a crowd.

 

[Mindful]

Details to follow. Time to level a few blocks in Gaza and West Bank.

At least 15 wounded in Jerusalem bus blast - Israel News

"Jewish supremacists get what they deserve in Jerusalem"

Here's another nutter.

Right of return is recognized by everyone except racist Jews

Look around pinky, you're sort of outnumbered on this. Even Europeans hate Israel

That it dear. Let it all hang out.

 

[Juicin]

Details to follow. Time to level a few blocks in Gaza and West Bank.

At least 15 wounded in Jerusalem bus blast - Israel News

"Jewish supremacists get what they deserve in Jerusalem"

Here's another nutter.

Right of return is recognized by everyone except racist Jews

Look around pinky, you're sort of outnumbered on this. Even Europeans hate Israel

That it dear. Let it all hang out.

Hey pinky I'm not the one that supports Israel, if you haven't noticed no one is willing to spend to destroy israel. They figure mild disdain and a little talk on the internet will be neough. Which it looks like they will

See those intel layoffs today? Wanna know where Intel is going to cut 10k jobs? Hahahah

 

[Mindful]

Details to follow. Time to level a few blocks in Gaza and West Bank.

At least 15 wounded in Jerusalem bus blast - Israel News

"Jewish supremacists get what they deserve in Jerusalem"

Here's another nutter.

Right of return is recognized by everyone except racist Jews

Look around pinky, you're sort of outnumbered on this. Even Europeans hate Israel

That it dear. Let it all hang out.

Hey pinky I'm not the one that supports Israel, if you haven't noticed no one is willing to spend to destroy israel. They figure mild disdain and a little talk on the internet will be neough. Which it looks like they will

See those intel layoffs today? Wanna know where Intel is going to cut 10k jobs? Hahahah

 

[montelatici]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.

Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

 

[Hollie]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.

Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

It's odd that you continue to cut and paste the above when it has been addressed for you repeatedly.

 

[Mindful]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.



Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

Stop your nonsense.

 

[montelatici]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.



Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

Stop your nonsense.

What is nonsensical about a simple question that addresses expectations. I am truly curious to understand if and why the supporters of Israel believed that the Palestinians would behave differently than other groups under similar conditions. I truly can't understand why the question is so difficult to answer.

 

[Mindful]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.



Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

Stop your nonsense.

What is nonsensical about a simple question that addresses expectations. I am truly curious to understand if and why the supporters of Israel believed that the Palestinians would behave differently than other groups under similar conditions. I truly can't understand why the question is so difficult to answer.

Because you are not asking a question.

 

[Hollie]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.



Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

Stop your nonsense.

What is nonsensical about a simple question that addresses expectations. I am truly curious to understand if and why the supporters of Israel believed that the Palestinians would behave differently than other groups under similar conditions. I truly can't understand why the question is so difficult to answer.

Why are you having such difficulty understanding what has been previously addressed?

 

[Shusha]

I am not discussing the behavior of the Israelis, I am asking why does anyone expect that the Palestinians would behave any differently than other people under the same conditions have behaved in the past as the Irish against the British and the Algerians against the French.

By the way, the Algerians never stopped killing the French until they defeated them and expelled them from Algeria.

Because the Jewish people are NOT colonizers, and more important than the actual fact that the Jewish people are not colonizers is the deep belief system of the Jewish people that Israel is our homeland and that our safety and security and existence DEPENDS on living in a homeland of our own. The Jewish people are not going to be expelled because it is no longer economically advantageous to be there, or because we need a port or a trade route or because the crops are especially good. The Jewish people are not like the British or the French. The Jewish people are not fighting for a colonial enterprise, for resources, for anything tangible. And there is no safe haven or homeland to return to if things go bad.

The Jewish people are fighting for our self-determination, our dignity, our survival as a people. We are fighting for the lands where our ancestors lived and worked and built homes and administrative centres and palaces. We are fighting for our holy places and our Temple.

And THAT is why the Palestinians CANNOT expect that if things get "bad enough" the Jewish people will just leave. Never going to happen.

 

[Lipush]

Hamas just officially stated: The 19 year old Palestinian terrorist from Jerusalem bus attack is our man.

Name: Abed Alhamid Muhammad Abu-Srur, from Bethlehem

Died in Hadassah hospital from burn injuries.

 

[montelatici]

What is flame baiting about asking why you expect the Palestinians to behave differently than other groups that found themselves in similar circumstances? I don't get it.

What is bothering you about a fairly simple question.



Simplifying the question:

Is there something that caused you to expect a different reaction from the Palestinians than the reaction of those other groups to being ruled by a group they did not want to be ruled by?

Stop your nonsense.

What is nonsensical about a simple question that addresses expectations. I am truly curious to understand if and why the supporters of Israel believed that the Palestinians would behave differently than other groups under similar conditions. I truly can't understand why the question is so difficult to answer.

Because you are not asking a question.

Did/do supporters of Israel believe that the Palestinians would behave differently than similarly situated people such as the Irish Catholics, the Algerians, the non-white South South Africans, the Tamils etc.?

That is question 1.

 

[montelatici]

I am not discussing the behavior of the Israelis, I am asking why does anyone expect that the Palestinians would behave any differently than other people under the same conditions have behaved in the past as the Irish against the British and the Algerians against the French.

By the way, the Algerians never stopped killing the French until they defeated them and expelled them from Algeria.

Because the Jewish people are NOT colonizers, and more important than the actual fact that the Jewish people are not colonizers is the deep belief system of the Jewish people that Israel is our homeland and that our safety and security and existence DEPENDS on living in a homeland of our own. The Jewish people are not going to be expelled because it is no longer economically advantageous to be there, or because we need a port or a trade route or because the crops are especially good. The Jewish people are not like the British or the French. The Jewish people are not fighting for a colonial enterprise, for resources, for anything tangible. And there is no safe haven or homeland to return to if things go bad.

The Jewish people are fighting for our self-determination, our dignity, our survival as a people. We are fighting for the lands where our ancestors lived and worked and built homes and administrative centres and palaces. We are fighting for our holy places and our Temple.

And THAT is why the Palestinians CANNOT expect that if things get "bad enough" the Jewish people will just leave. Never going to happen.

Well if you believe differently than the Zionist leaders who asserted that they were colonizers, that's your business. It is not relevant to my question.

The question was if the Jews and their supporters believed that the Muslims and Christians would behave differently than other people who have suffered the same fate of succumbing to foreign rule like the Irish Catholics, the Algerians, the non-white South Africans, the Tamils etc.

 

[Hollie]

I am not discussing the behavior of the Israelis, I am asking why does anyone expect that the Palestinians would behave any differently than other people under the same conditions have behaved in the past as the Irish against the British and the Algerians against the French.

By the way, the Algerians never stopped killing the French until they defeated them and expelled them from Algeria.

Because the Jewish people are NOT colonizers, and more important than the actual fact that the Jewish people are not colonizers is the deep belief system of the Jewish people that Israel is our homeland and that our safety and security and existence DEPENDS on living in a homeland of our own. The Jewish people are not going to be expelled because it is no longer economically advantageous to be there, or because we need a port or a trade route or because the crops are especially good. The Jewish people are not like the British or the French. The Jewish people are not fighting for a colonial enterprise, for resources, for anything tangible. And there is no safe haven or homeland to return to if things go bad.

The Jewish people are fighting for our self-determination, our dignity, our survival as a people. We are fighting for the lands where our ancestors lived and worked and built homes and administrative centres and palaces. We are fighting for our holy places and our Temple.

And THAT is why the Palestinians CANNOT expect that if things get "bad enough" the Jewish people will just leave. Never going to happen.

Well if you believe differently than the Zionist leaders who asserted that they were colonizers, that's your business. It is not relevant to my question.

The question was if the Jews and their supporters believed that the Muslims and Christians would behave differently than other people who have suffered the same fate of succumbing to foreign rule like the Irish Catholics, the Algerians, the non-white South Africans, the Tamils etc.

Already addressed. Why spam the thread with this silliness when you have been given an answer.

 

[Shusha]

The question was if the Jews and their supporters believed that the Muslims and Christians would behave differently than other people who have suffered the same fate of succumbing to foreign rule like the Irish Catholics, the Algerians, the non-white South Africans, the Tamils etc.

And I answered your question sincerely and genuinely -- the difference is that the Jewish people do not see ourselves as colonizers and have no place to go home TO. Therefore, if the Palestinians think they can make us leave they are most sorely mistaken. Rather than scaring us off -- terrorism just entrenches us further into the need for safety and security and survival in our own homeland.

THAT is why it is different from the other examples you brought up. Terrorism furthers the Jewish cause and not the Palestinian one.

The sooner the Palestinians figure that out -- the sooner we can get on with a peaceful, compromising solution.