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RE: Palestine Today
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Balderdash!

Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).

You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.
(COMMENT)

The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.


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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Balderdash!

Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).

You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.
(COMMENT)

The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.


Most Respectfully,
R
Hogwash!

For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

What part of "rendering of administrative advice and assistance" and "tutelage" requires military forces?

The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor states of the Ottoman Empire as defined by international law.

History of Jordan - Wikipedia

Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.
 

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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You have all kinds of miss interpretations here, the least of which is a misunderstanding of the meaning and intent of Judgement #5 Permanent Court of International Justice.

A decide upon a judgment concerning what fair Remedy is due for The Government of the Greek Republic; if any at all.

It was not a Political question as to the nature of what it means to be the Government of Palestine.

For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.
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Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.
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POINT #1

This is another misrepresentation of the facts. Yes, the Government of Palestine was the successor Government, but the Government of Palestine was just the Framework under which the UK created to effectively handle the establishment of the Jewish National Home and the self-governing institutions under whichthe Arab Palestinians rejected participation.

Page #7 • First Paragraph of the Court's Delivered Judgment • Judgment #5 • Permanent Court of International Justice said:
"part of the Government of Palestine and consequcntly also on the part of His Britannic Majesty's Government, in its capacity as Mandatory Power for Palestine, since the year 1921"
The idea that the Judgement supports some claim that the Arab had some political rights over the territory is nothing more than misinformation and intentional fraud → passed-on so many times, by Arab Palestinian Supporting claimants that should actually know better, the original source is not quite identifiable. Never the less, it works because no one is going to take the time to pull the truth out of the record and sifted Court Decisions.​

POINT #2

To read Article 22 of the League of Nations Covanantis not necessarily the same as to comprehendent it. The Covenant is an agreement between the parties that engaged in it - the Allied Powers of the Great War (WWI). The Arab Palestinians [Arab Higher Committee (AHC)] were heavily influenced by men like General, Ottoman Army (Retired after surrender of Ottoman Empire) Pasha Ahmed Hilmi • and former Ottoman Army Officer (separated after surrender of Ottoman Empire) Amin al-Husseini. Pasha Hilmi, deported early on to the Seychelles Islands, for activities inconsistant with an peaceful endeavors. He was later pardon by the High Commissioner the same way as Amin al-Husseini, in connection with the incitement and encouragement of anti-Jewish riots.

The need for a military contingent in support of the British Administration was under the authority and necessity of Article 43 of the Hague Regulation of 1907. And that contingent was there to deal with the many Enemy held prisioners of war turned anti-Jewish activist, and rioters.

OK, now I call a flag on the play here. All this (and more) has been divulged and rehashed many many times.

POINT #3

Article 22 makes a number of operational guidelines:

• Advanced nations for tutlage.
• Rendering of tutlage until such time as they are able to stand alone.​

The Arab Palestinians have not ever demonstrated that they are able to stand alone, not in any decade since the 1920s. Even today, with the millions and millions of donor dollars received, the are still unable to get a productive and functional government off the ground.

Further, the Ramallah Government is directly involved in providing support to criminal activists involved in Jihadist, Fedayeen, Insurgent, Radicalized incitement, and Asymmetric behaviors of a criminal nature, and providing payment to such entities for thier service.​

( Ω )

Now once again, I remind you that the League of Nations Covenant establishes no promise and incurred no obligation to take any action in the furtherance of the various causes enumerated by the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Arab Palestinian is simply not parties to the covenant.

Most Respectfully,
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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Balderdash!

Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).

You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.
(COMMENT)

The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.


Most Respectfully,
R
Hogwash!

For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

What part of "rendering of administrative advice and assistance" and "tutelage" requires military forces?

The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor states of the Ottoman Empire as defined by international law.

History of Jordan - Wikipedia

Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.
RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Balderdash!

Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).

You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.
(COMMENT)

The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.


Most Respectfully,
R
Hogwash!

For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

What part of "rendering of administrative advice and assistance" and "tutelage" requires military forces?

The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor states of the Ottoman Empire as defined by international law.

History of Jordan - Wikipedia

Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.

Jordan gained control of the West Bank and ANNEXING it with it's Palestinian Population? :blahblah:

Black September - Wikipedia
 

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Answer: When the "occupied" are given numerous opportunities to come to a peaceful resolution and improve their situation, and they keep on refusing and playing the victims all the time.

And why did you put that picture of Jews coming back to their homeland? Yes, my mother's family came to Israel when they were forced out of Poland and had nowhere else to go. They were denied visas to America at that time. Btw, America is also a land of immigrants.
 
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