P F Tinmore
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(COMMENT)Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
Hogwash!RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
Balderdash!
Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).
(COMMENT)Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.
Most Respectfully,
R
(COMMENT)For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.
✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧- Truncated -✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧-✧Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.
Page #7 • First Paragraph of the Court's Delivered Judgment • Judgment #5 • Permanent Court of International Justice said:"part of the Government of Palestine and consequcntly also on the part of His Britannic Majesty's Government, in its capacity as Mandatory Power for Palestine, since the year 1921"
Hogwash!RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
Balderdash!
Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).
(COMMENT)Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.
Most Respectfully,
R
For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.
ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.
The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.
The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.
Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.
Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations
What part of "rendering of administrative advice and assistance" and "tutelage" requires military forces?
The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor states of the Ottoman Empire as defined by international law.
History of Jordan - Wikipedia
Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.
Hogwash!RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
Balderdash!
Between 1922 and 1948 the territory in question was under the Administration of the UK. They WERE NOT operating as a colonial power. It was a civil administration much like that used in all the adjacent states (except Saudi Arabia). Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all went through the process as what was customary for that period in history. Oddly enough, all those countries worked through the process. All established new states through the steps to attain self-governing institutions, all, that is, except the Arabs of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And both of those smaller subdivisions were under Arab Occupation (1948-1967) (not British and not Israeli).
(COMMENT)Indeed, my point is that Palestine has been under foreign military occupation since before its inception and has continued unabated until today. You continuously slime the Palestinians for not accomplishing this or that while they have a gun in their face. The Palestinians cannot accomplish anything until it is decolonized.You cannot be talking about the territory to which the Palestine Order in Council applied (1922 to 1948), because that Palestine (ie Government of Palestine) was a territory under the mandate.
The discredited and dispicable practice of using the Israelis as a reason for a lack of economic and financial development and markets is bogus. If the Arab Palestinians had not demonstrated the increased level of violence, the security countermeasures, police patrols and checkpoints, as well as barier installations would not have been necessary. This is just another case of the Arab Palestinians lack of cooperation and acceptance of the consequences. For decades, the recurring theme by the Arab Palestinians if to demonstrate a lack of cooperation and indiscriminate assualts against Jewish People (men women and children) then once the aggrevated assualt is responded in kind+, the Arab Palestinian, in childlike care, go running to the International Community and complain about a tightening of countermeasure accross the board.
Most Respectfully,
R
For Britain, changing from a military occupation to a Mandate was simply a name change. They maintained their military forces.
ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.
The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.
The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.
Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.
Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations
What part of "rendering of administrative advice and assistance" and "tutelage" requires military forces?
The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor states of the Ottoman Empire as defined by international law.
History of Jordan - Wikipedia
Palestine was no longer an occupied enemy territory.