Palestine : proposing a 2-state solution with flexible borders

[peacefan]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

Yes..except that they hate each-other and the extremists on both sides would kill anyone who gets close to finding a solution that does not involve the incineration of the other!

The rest of your plan is nice though~

 

[surada]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

 

[watchingfromafar]

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region`

You can not "move" farm land.

and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

Now this zion wants to start a war by invading Egypt.

Nut jobes should write down what they are going to say, read it three (3) times and then make the appropriate changes, then post.

Otherwise, it sounds like you are from cook-koo land.

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[surada]

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region`

You can not "move" farm land.

and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

Now this zion wants to start a war by invading Egypt.

Nut jobes should write down what they are going to say, read it three (3) times and then make the appropriate changes, then post.

Otherwise, it sounds like you are from cook-koo land.

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Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land.. Its about130 miles across at its widest point.. and has a population of 600,000. Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem. Have you been there?

 

[watchingfromafar]

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land..

Israel is the one with the water problem. Currently the get their water from desalinating seawater which costs a lot of money, money they do not have. Frankly I’m just fine if the go really thirsty.

LOL

Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem.

Israel has far more problems than that.
God has already spoken on this, they be doomed.
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[surada]

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land..

Israel is the one with the water problem. Currently the get their water from desalinating seawater which costs a lot of money, money they do not have. Frankly I’m just fine if the go really thirsty.

LOL

Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem.

Israel has far more problems than that.
God has already spoken on this, they be doomed.
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Israel has ruined the water table, two aquifers, the Jordan River and the Dead Sea since 1967.

 

[fncceo]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

Idea #1 ... learn to spell Israel.

Idea #2 ... let the people who live there worry about the solution. You can worry about the problems in your own country.

 

[fncceo]

Nut jobes should write down what they are going to say, read it three (3) times and then make the appropriate changes, then post.

Do they spell check it first?

 

[watchingfromafar]

Do they spell check it first?

Thanks for the heads up. I can not spell, as you noticed so let’s get back to thev topic ok?

like the end of Israel !!!!!!
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[toastman]

Do they spell check it first?

Thanks for the heads up. I can not spell, as you noticed so let’s get back to thev topic ok?

like the end of Israel !!!!!!
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*yawn*

 

[fncceo]

...like the end of Israel !!!!!!

Normally, I would say, "Don't hold your breath".

However, in this case, I vigorously suggest that you do.

 

[rylah]

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land..

Israel is the one with the water problem. Currently the get their water from desalinating seawater which costs a lot of money, money they do not have. Frankly I’m just fine if the go really thirsty.

LOL

Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem.

Israel has far more problems than that.
God has already spoken on this, they be doomed.
-

Israel has ruined the water table, two aquifers, the Jordan River and the Dead Sea since 1967.

As usual making things up.

Israel is probably the only country in the whole region with clean water,
and can teach several continents on how to guard theirs, which we actually do.

 

[surada]

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land..

Israel is the one with the water problem. Currently the get their water from desalinating seawater which costs a lot of money, money they do not have. Frankly I’m just fine if the go really thirsty.

LOL

Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem.

Israel has far more problems than that.
God has already spoken on this, they be doomed.
-

Israel has ruined the water table, two aquifers, the Jordan River and the Dead Sea since 1967.

As usual making things up.

Israel is probably the only country in the whole region with clean water,
and can teach several continents on how to guard theirs, which we actually do.

Start with the Johnson Plan and the Loudermilk Plans circa 1952 and then read the Hydrology of the Jordan Basin.. Their first 15 Water ministers quit because they had no training. Many American Universities have done studies over the past 50 years..

The coastal aquifer is over pumped and back filing with salt water.. The other one is contaminated with ecoli and heavy metals.. The Jordan River is a cesspool. and the Dead Sea has retreated 1300 feet because the water table has been destroyed.. Most of the Gulf States have dozens and dozens of desalination plants . They distill water and also produce cheap electricity.. Rarely do they use reverse osmosis.

 

[rylah]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

This is the closest to the '2-state-solution' trajectory You can entertain today.

 

[rylah]

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land..

Israel is the one with the water problem. Currently the get their water from desalinating seawater which costs a lot of money, money they do not have. Frankly I’m just fine if the go really thirsty.

LOL

Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem.

Israel has far more problems than that.
God has already spoken on this, they be doomed.
-

Israel has ruined the water table, two aquifers, the Jordan River and the Dead Sea since 1967.

As usual making things up.

Israel is probably the only country in the whole region with clean water,
and can teach several continents on how to guard theirs, which we actually do.

Start with the Johnson Plan and the Loudermilk Plans circa 1952 and then read the Hydrology of the Jordan Basin.. Their first 15 Water ministers quit because they had no training. Many American Universities have done studies over the past 50 years..

The coastal aquifer is over pumped and back filing with salt water.. The other one is contaminated with ecoli and heavy metals.. The Jordan River is a cesspool. and the Dead Sea has retreated 1300 feet because the water table has been destroyed.. Most of the Gulf States have dozens and dozens of desalination plants . They distill water and also produce cheap electricity.. Rarely do they use reverse osmosis.

Are you pretending to make a point?
Now tell us who controls the Jordan river and the Dead Sea beside Israel,
before you share with some us more of your gems of wisdom.

 

[peacefan]

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region`

You can not "move" farm land.

Yes, you can. All you need to do is develop the proper kind of (pre-)farming and import techniques!

and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

Now this zion wants to start a war by invading Egypt.

Nut jobes should write down what they are going to say, read it three (3) times and then make the appropriate changes, then post.

Otherwise, it sounds like you are from cook-koo land.
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Egypt is NOT using that land that borders Israel, and they would be generating peace and prosperity for everyone in current Israel and Palestine, and themselves, by selling pieces of that land (over the decades and centuries, as needed).

It is you entrenched war mongerers who are from coo-koo land, not me.

 

[peacefan]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

Idea #1 ... learn to spell Israel.

Idea #2 ... let the people who live there worry about the solution. You can worry about the problems in your own country.

#1 : it was a simple typo. i usually get it right.
#2 : My country is fortunate enough to have a very capable bureaucracy and population. We have peace and prosperity already, now we're[1] trying to export that to other regions.

[1] we also hold regular petitions on very public squares for the Uighurs in China, the people of Hong Kong, and the people of Palestine, among other groups and causes.

 

[peacefan]

Sina is a pretty harsh place. Its high desert. .. not much water or grazing land..

Israel is the one with the water problem. Currently the get their water from desalinating seawater which costs a lot of money, money they do not have. Frankly I’m just fine if the go really thirsty.

LOL

Plus you're talking about taking land from the Egyptians to solve Israel's problem.

Israel has far more problems than that.
God has already spoken on this, they be doomed.
-

Israel has ruined the water table, two aquifers, the Jordan River and the Dead Sea since 1967.

All the more reason to be using water generated from sunlight, especially in the age of climate change!

 

[peacefan]

I have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.

I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.

This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.

In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).

[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..

What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?

just to the south of current Israel, into Egypt, *please*.